Nexaph 3rd Party Testing
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Another article I read yesterday... that I cannot find currently, also described "purity" as the amount of the total sample that tests at the peptide marker. (the spike on the graph of a COA). So Im liking @stevepep idea that if a sample volume contains 99.8% of that specific chemical, then it has no room for much else. Had not thought that through before.
@JtCjEfF - Purity is a measure of how clean the detectable peptide is. It has nothing to do with volume or mass in the vial. It's like the old joke...."I love White Castle! They claim their burgers are 100% beef... at least, the part of the burger that is beef."
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@Stevepep I wonder about the details of this "purity test". What does this 99.5% represent? In the vials we usually see a puck or a tablet-like mass, which has a volume of a something weighting about 1 gram, while the active component may be listed as 10 mg.
Imagine 1 g of salt for instance, a quarter of a teaspoon (1 g), vs. a few grains of salt (10 mg).
The majority of the volume, 99% in this case, is not the active ingredient, it is the "excipients", like glycine or mannitol. I wonder, this 99.5% purity, it is percentage of what? It can't be of the total mass, right? So, it is of the mass of the active ingredient. For that they need to separate it from everything else like those excipients and whatever else is there.
How does this testing perform it? What else is excluded? It is very easy to imagine the dangerous level of heavy metals, bacteria and their derivatives (endotoxins) in 1 gram of a solid matter.This post is deleted! -
Personally, I don’t trust testing that the vendor is paying for..
Do your own testing of the stuff actually receive@Commander For me personally, I find it too costly to test everything I have. I don't buy enough bulk to justify the extra time and expense. If that's the case, I will just spend the money on compounded stuff and not deal with the headache and wait times.
Edit: Thus the reason for the initial question. To determine if the vendor paid third party COA is good enough to compare with the vendor supplied COA or if it's worth the investment of contributing to the independent group test.
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@Commander For me personally, I find it too costly to test everything I have. I don't buy enough bulk to justify the extra time and expense. If that's the case, I will just spend the money on compounded stuff and not deal with the headache and wait times.
Edit: Thus the reason for the initial question. To determine if the vendor paid third party COA is good enough to compare with the vendor supplied COA or if it's worth the investment of contributing to the independent group test.
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@Commander For me personally, I find it too costly to test everything I have. I don't buy enough bulk to justify the extra time and expense. If that's the case, I will just spend the money on compounded stuff and not deal with the headache and wait times.
Edit: Thus the reason for the initial question. To determine if the vendor paid third party COA is good enough to compare with the vendor supplied COA or if it's worth the investment of contributing to the independent group test.
@Nuncles Janoshik is world renowned. Companies, test groups and independ individuals from all around the world send their chemicals there to be tested. Do they make mistakes of course they do. They test hundreds of vials daily. Even .1% mistakes would be a mistake everyday or two. Also HPLC calibration can drift. They are as trust worthy as any independent lab you will find. Commander had issues with a kit of selank or semax he purchased from nexaph. They made a disclaimer directly below the "add to cart" button stating that some bottles appear underfulled but all samples tested fine. Then when the results came back for the individuals submitted vials the results showed the same thing. Most of the contents of any vial are lipolised salts. Some of the vials lacked the salts. Only had what looked like a residue. That was in fact the peptide. 10mg is such a small amount it can barely be seen. He brought it to their attention on the telegram group. I watched it in real time. They gave him a reasonable explanation. He argued then they escalated. Then he got slightly off colored and they banned him. Certainly his vials he posted looked suspiciously underfilled. Pretty much everyone agrees at the visual aspect. Im not saying dont listen to his advice. Im saying take his advice but also weigh it against other people's experience.
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@Nuncles Janoshik is world renowned. Companies, test groups and independ individuals from all around the world send their chemicals there to be tested. Do they make mistakes of course they do. They test hundreds of vials daily. Even .1% mistakes would be a mistake everyday or two. Also HPLC calibration can drift. They are as trust worthy as any independent lab you will find. Commander had issues with a kit of selank or semax he purchased from nexaph. They made a disclaimer directly below the "add to cart" button stating that some bottles appear underfulled but all samples tested fine. Then when the results came back for the individuals submitted vials the results showed the same thing. Most of the contents of any vial are lipolised salts. Some of the vials lacked the salts. Only had what looked like a residue. That was in fact the peptide. 10mg is such a small amount it can barely be seen. He brought it to their attention on the telegram group. I watched it in real time. They gave him a reasonable explanation. He argued then they escalated. Then he got slightly off colored and they banned him. Certainly his vials he posted looked suspiciously underfilled. Pretty much everyone agrees at the visual aspect. Im not saying dont listen to his advice. Im saying take his advice but also weigh it against other people's experience.
@TheHazmatGuy Yep and there's even a blog that @randy posted that discussed that regardless if the puck is small or not, both tested just fine and passed testing of concentration. Just as you stated, in the end, make your decision and don't let others influence yours.
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@Nuncles Janoshik is world renowned. Companies, test groups and independ individuals from all around the world send their chemicals there to be tested. Do they make mistakes of course they do. They test hundreds of vials daily. Even .1% mistakes would be a mistake everyday or two. Also HPLC calibration can drift. They are as trust worthy as any independent lab you will find. Commander had issues with a kit of selank or semax he purchased from nexaph. They made a disclaimer directly below the "add to cart" button stating that some bottles appear underfulled but all samples tested fine. Then when the results came back for the individuals submitted vials the results showed the same thing. Most of the contents of any vial are lipolised salts. Some of the vials lacked the salts. Only had what looked like a residue. That was in fact the peptide. 10mg is such a small amount it can barely be seen. He brought it to their attention on the telegram group. I watched it in real time. They gave him a reasonable explanation. He argued then they escalated. Then he got slightly off colored and they banned him. Certainly his vials he posted looked suspiciously underfilled. Pretty much everyone agrees at the visual aspect. Im not saying dont listen to his advice. Im saying take his advice but also weigh it against other people's experience.
@TheHazmatGuy said:
@Nuncles Janoshik is world renowned. Companies, test groups and independ individuals from all around the world send their chemicals there to be tested. Do they make mistakes of course they do. They test hundreds of vials daily. Even .1% mistakes would be a mistake everyday or two. Also HPLC calibration can drift. They are as trust worthy as any independent lab you will find. Commander had issues with a kit of selank or semax he purchased from nexaph. They made a disclaimer directly below the "add to cart" button stating that some bottles appear underfulled but all samples tested fine. Then when the results came back for the individuals submitted vials the results showed the same thing. Most of the contents of any vial are lipolised salts. Some of the vials lacked the salts. Only had what looked like a residue. That was in fact the peptide. 10mg is such a small amount it can barely be seen. He brought it to their attention on the telegram group. I watched it in real time. They gave him a reasonable explanation. He argued then they escalated. Then he got slightly off colored and they banned him. Certainly his vials he posted looked suspiciously underfilled. Pretty much everyone agrees at the visual aspect. Im not saying dont listen to his advice. Im saying take his advice but also weigh it against other people's experience.
And this is the problem, misinformation. No I never bought selank or semac from Nexaph. I bought CJC/Ipa from them and had it tested. I never posted pictures of the vials. There was never any under-fill warning for the CJC/IPA.
So this is the problem, you just posted COMPLETELY wrong information.
So I think the correct answer is, take what you say with a grain of salt…. Posting bad information like this as is if was true information is the problem. -
@TheHazmatGuy Yep and there's even a blog that @randy posted that discussed that regardless if the puck is small or not, both tested just fine and passed testing of concentration. Just as you stated, in the end, make your decision and don't let others influence yours.
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@Commander For me personally, I find it too costly to test everything I have. I don't buy enough bulk to justify the extra time and expense. If that's the case, I will just spend the money on compounded stuff and not deal with the headache and wait times.
Edit: Thus the reason for the initial question. To determine if the vendor paid third party COA is good enough to compare with the vendor supplied COA or if it's worth the investment of contributing to the independent group test.
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@TheHazmatGuy said:
@Nuncles Janoshik is world renowned. Companies, test groups and independ individuals from all around the world send their chemicals there to be tested. Do they make mistakes of course they do. They test hundreds of vials daily. Even .1% mistakes would be a mistake everyday or two. Also HPLC calibration can drift. They are as trust worthy as any independent lab you will find. Commander had issues with a kit of selank or semax he purchased from nexaph. They made a disclaimer directly below the "add to cart" button stating that some bottles appear underfulled but all samples tested fine. Then when the results came back for the individuals submitted vials the results showed the same thing. Most of the contents of any vial are lipolised salts. Some of the vials lacked the salts. Only had what looked like a residue. That was in fact the peptide. 10mg is such a small amount it can barely be seen. He brought it to their attention on the telegram group. I watched it in real time. They gave him a reasonable explanation. He argued then they escalated. Then he got slightly off colored and they banned him. Certainly his vials he posted looked suspiciously underfilled. Pretty much everyone agrees at the visual aspect. Im not saying dont listen to his advice. Im saying take his advice but also weigh it against other people's experience.
And this is the problem, misinformation. No I never bought selank or semac from Nexaph. I bought CJC/Ipa from them and had it tested. I never posted pictures of the vials. There was never any under-fill warning for the CJC/IPA.
So this is the problem, you just posted COMPLETELY wrong information.
So I think the correct answer is, take what you say with a grain of salt…. Posting bad information like this as is if was true information is the problem.@Commander sorry my apologies and thanks for correcting me on what you purchased and that you didnt post pictures. In my late night post reading I must have combined two seperate incidents from two different people's experience on two seperate products. I recall yours better now and Randy pretty much put it to bed still when he sent vials to 5 seperate labs and got 5 different results for mass. Some were pretty close and some variances were a couple mg. Like in the case of your experience with Nexaph/Janoshik. Did I at least get it rite that you got yourself banned from the telagram group?
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@Commander For me personally, I find it too costly to test everything I have. I don't buy enough bulk to justify the extra time and expense. If that's the case, I will just spend the money on compounded stuff and not deal with the headache and wait times.
Edit: Thus the reason for the initial question. To determine if the vendor paid third party COA is good enough to compare with the vendor supplied COA or if it's worth the investment of contributing to the independent group test.
@Nuncles I agree too. I don't like the game "who finds the cheapest way to inject themselves with a questionable substance". But the clinics are insanely overpriced, FDA-approved compounding pharmacies are overrated and many products are simply not available.
Research market is for me, the spirit of liberty, I take responsibility for myself, my health and my decisions, not government, not doctors or bureaucrats. But it is not my main concern in life, I am willing to be a secondary level of verification, analyzing the analyzers, so I look around for good reviews and trustworthy analyses done by others. -
If anyone knows it would be interesting to get an answer. If purity is over 99pct most are over 99.5pct is it even statistically possible to have enough endotoxins or heavy metals to fail? The Jano guy straight up said it’s a waste of time. (I am paraphrasing) the Nexaph people apparently feel this way. Same for sterility. Most people believe the difference between 99.5 and 100 or whatever is just moisture from the manufacturing process or degradation. We see this is the random testing on telegram they always pass in the Nexaph threads.
This is the endo and mass/purity from the illustrious JEEP/BARN T30 batch from january. These results woke a lot of people up.
https://verify.janoshik.com/tests/136052-Sterility2_A749RCAF7WEC
"If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"
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@Nuncles Janoshik is world renowned. Companies, test groups and independ individuals from all around the world send their chemicals there to be tested. Do they make mistakes of course they do. They test hundreds of vials daily. Even .1% mistakes would be a mistake everyday or two. Also HPLC calibration can drift. They are as trust worthy as any independent lab you will find. Commander had issues with a kit of selank or semax he purchased from nexaph. They made a disclaimer directly below the "add to cart" button stating that some bottles appear underfulled but all samples tested fine. Then when the results came back for the individuals submitted vials the results showed the same thing. Most of the contents of any vial are lipolised salts. Some of the vials lacked the salts. Only had what looked like a residue. That was in fact the peptide. 10mg is such a small amount it can barely be seen. He brought it to their attention on the telegram group. I watched it in real time. They gave him a reasonable explanation. He argued then they escalated. Then he got slightly off colored and they banned him. Certainly his vials he posted looked suspiciously underfilled. Pretty much everyone agrees at the visual aspect. Im not saying dont listen to his advice. Im saying take his advice but also weigh it against other people's experience.
@TheHazmatGuy
Janoshik is a lab with nice equipment. They do tests, They were caught taking a bribe from one of the largest resellers (the now defunct SSA) well over a year ago now.
Nexaph does the bare minimum on testing but its a lot more than "Tess" on whatsapp. It's a great starting point. Especially considering their domestic pricing. They have had sterility failures. Most recently their t30 christmas batch failed at jano then trustpoint was sent a ton of vials and identified the culprit.
FRIGGIN' STAPH
This is all public knowledge but bring it up in their TG and pitchforks come out. I dont like the tribalism in any of these communities. Its about the researcher in the end. Not who you buy from.
I still buy from nexaph. But this is why we filter.
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@Nuncles I agree too. I don't like the game "who finds the cheapest way to inject themselves with a questionable substance". But the clinics are insanely overpriced, FDA-approved compounding pharmacies are overrated and many products are simply not available.
Research market is for me, the spirit of liberty, I take responsibility for myself, my health and my decisions, not government, not doctors or bureaucrats. But it is not my main concern in life, I am willing to be a secondary level of verification, analyzing the analyzers, so I look around for good reviews and trustworthy analyses done by others.@vpeptides This might make you think twice about "FDA approved" https://www.fda.gov/drugs/human-drug-compounding/compounding-inspections-recalls-and-other-actions
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@Commander sorry my apologies and thanks for correcting me on what you purchased and that you didnt post pictures. In my late night post reading I must have combined two seperate incidents from two different people's experience on two seperate products. I recall yours better now and Randy pretty much put it to bed still when he sent vials to 5 seperate labs and got 5 different results for mass. Some were pretty close and some variances were a couple mg. Like in the case of your experience with Nexaph/Janoshik. Did I at least get it rite that you got yourself banned from the telagram group?
@TheHazmatGuy
Yes I got banned from their server. I also got banned from Barn’s TG group, along with one of Barn’s long time admin for asking questions about recent tests that showed under fills amd cross contamination.The batch I sent out for testing came back 30% less than the Jano test… it was not slightly off.
The other problem you are referring to was someone, not me, received a few empty vials in their kits. That person posted pictures of the empty vials.
The problem is you get these admin or other people on TG that get compensated for defending a vendor. That is the shady game… like jeff said, it is about the research, not the individual vendors.
Then when people take what happened and change it and post it - like you did - other repost that information and now they are spreading false information. Then when new people come on here and other places to try amd get information they get confused.
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This is the endo and mass/purity from the illustrious JEEP/BARN T30 batch from january. These results woke a lot of people up.
https://verify.janoshik.com/tests/136052-Sterility2_A749RCAF7WEC
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I’m a noob as well but the way I understand it is the Nexaph telegram group is used so that researchers donate a sample from their own kits and Nexaph pays for the test. My understanding is that this gives researchers a reasonable assumption that the company didn’t “hand pick” certain samples they knew would look good on a COA. Thus making it more of a “random” and “fair” test. They only test for mass content and purity. So the benefit of a third party group test in my eyes would be that researchers could do more tests, (sterility, endotoxins, heavy metals) and a plus would be that you could get more samples to average out mass content. Being new to a lot of this. I will do the third party group testing. It just makes me feel more warmer and fuzzier inside.
@WesEqualshXc It also reduces (but does not eliminate) the possibility that Nexaph is shipping multiple batches under a single batches testing, because effectively the vials being tested are randomized across all the vials they send out under a given batch ID. Its all a statistical game, but the probabilities are better with Nexaph than with many others.
I am generally a fan of Nexaph, and use them for many many things... but one thing I'm not a fan of is certain compounds (like 5-amino-1mq) Janoshik does not offer purity tests for (only mass tests) and since Nexaph exclusively uses Janoshik (for reasons I broadly agree with) I don't personally trust those tests. So I run my own. And what I can say is that at least for 5-amino-1mq not only do the third party tests I've commissioned directly via Analytic Formulations come back at excellent purity and acceptable (to me) mass (a bit overfilled, but manageable) but also are clean on sterility, heavy metals, and endotoxins.
Again, its a statistical game, so take that simply as more data points to add into the risk tolerance computation
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This is the endo and mass/purity from the illustrious JEEP/BARN T30 batch from january. These results woke a lot of people up.
https://verify.janoshik.com/tests/136052-Sterility2_A749RCAF7WEC
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