BAC from India / Australia (Got my NaCl/Alcohol BAC from them.)
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@commander Not everyone needs a case.
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@commander Not everyone needs a case.
@Nuncles
I understand that… so they can buy singles - Nothing has changed. But do you think the places selling the singles are buy signals or are they buying cases? Cases… and people are still selling singles for $20. So I don’t understand what all the complaining is about. The people buying cases should only be the ones complaining because they are making less money selling the singles not.
All this complaining started when Amazon stopped selling BAC and you could no longer get Hospira off of Amazon for $15 delivered. So let me ask the question. Did amazon stop selling Hospira because people were buying 2 and 3 cases at a time from medex?
And guess what for anyone to buy single vials of Hospira from a vendor and the Vendor to have stock to sell it - they have to buy a bunch of cases at a time. But maybe they are the reason the price went up? Besides Vendors, not to many people have $550 at a clip to buy a couple cases at a time… the few people that do. Have the money to stock up did not cause the price increase.
Amazon’s choice to stop selling BAC and the sheer amount of people that are buying peptides on the last couple of years is the reason the price shot up. Anyone crying it is people buying it and hoarding it is sadly mistaken… Blame Amazon- that is when this mess started. -
@Nuncles
I understand that… so they can buy singles - Nothing has changed. But do you think the places selling the singles are buy signals or are they buying cases? Cases… and people are still selling singles for $20. So I don’t understand what all the complaining is about. The people buying cases should only be the ones complaining because they are making less money selling the singles not.
All this complaining started when Amazon stopped selling BAC and you could no longer get Hospira off of Amazon for $15 delivered. So let me ask the question. Did amazon stop selling Hospira because people were buying 2 and 3 cases at a time from medex?
And guess what for anyone to buy single vials of Hospira from a vendor and the Vendor to have stock to sell it - they have to buy a bunch of cases at a time. But maybe they are the reason the price went up? Besides Vendors, not to many people have $550 at a clip to buy a couple cases at a time… the few people that do. Have the money to stock up did not cause the price increase.
Amazon’s choice to stop selling BAC and the sheer amount of people that are buying peptides on the last couple of years is the reason the price shot up. Anyone crying it is people buying it and hoarding it is sadly mistaken… Blame Amazon- that is when this mess started.You have a unique situation where you group buy with people in your inner circle. That is terrific, and I wish I had a similar situation. Many people can't afford to drop $500 on two cases of water with benzyl alcohol in it. You have to be cognizant of that in your posts. Not everyone is in your situation financially or with a group to share the costs.
The Amazon situation was great for the vendors who sell it because Amazon keeps a third. Did they lower their prices to order directly? Hell no. It led people to believe that Hospira's holy water would disappear and there was no alternative, so the hurricane warning ensued.
The bigger issue is the reactions to these announcements by the people who benefit from them. People take the hurricane approach to this and clear the shelves for absolutely no good reason. Also, their choice. Hell, I am guilty of it. I love Reta, and when someone's rat whose name rhymes with Sandy suggested it may disappear, I bought 3 years' worth. Since then, the manufacturing and testing have improved substantially. Reta is now close to 100pct consistently.
The worst part of all of this is that a large group of people think that their Hospira holy water will be just fine months or years after the expiration date, which is an absolute fallacy. The degradation process doesn't work that way, The alcohol doesn't just disappear in a closed environment. It causes things to break down. Does it happen the day after the expiration date? No, but it certainly happens within a year. If there is less alcohol content, there is a cause and effect. It pretty simple stuff, actually
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You have a unique situation where you group buy with people in your inner circle. That is terrific, and I wish I had a similar situation. Many people can't afford to drop $500 on two cases of water with benzyl alcohol in it. You have to be cognizant of that in your posts. Not everyone is in your situation financially or with a group to share the costs.
The Amazon situation was great for the vendors who sell it because Amazon keeps a third. Did they lower their prices to order directly? Hell no. It led people to believe that Hospira's holy water would disappear and there was no alternative, so the hurricane warning ensued.
The bigger issue is the reactions to these announcements by the people who benefit from them. People take the hurricane approach to this and clear the shelves for absolutely no good reason. Also, their choice. Hell, I am guilty of it. I love Reta, and when someone's rat whose name rhymes with Sandy suggested it may disappear, I bought 3 years' worth. Since then, the manufacturing and testing have improved substantially. Reta is now close to 100pct consistently.
The worst part of all of this is that a large group of people think that their Hospira holy water will be just fine months or years after the expiration date, which is an absolute fallacy. The degradation process doesn't work that way, The alcohol doesn't just disappear in a closed environment. It causes things to break down. Does it happen the day after the expiration date? No, but it certainly happens within a year. If there is less alcohol content, there is a cause and effect. It pretty simple stuff, actually
@Stevepep
Yes Medex has raised their price $90 in the last 3 months. And that sucks for the resellers. But there are good vendors that barely raised their prices on singles. Unfortunately shipping costs what it cost for these vendors to ship you 1 vial - no way around that.
But what was everyone doing before when they were buying singles of Hospira? And if it waent from $10 + Shipping to $20 + shipping, although that is double it isn’t a huge deal at all… if you go through 1 bottle a month, that is less than a $10 increase a month to you. Go to the gas station and you have that increase sometimes in just one tank of gas.
My WHOLE point is the big price increase really only affects the people that actually buy cases of it. But $10 a month, if that breaks someone they shouldn’t be buying peptides at all…
And again where was everyone getting it before? I just don’t understand why people who buy singles are crying…
And if it becomes unavailable in the future it will be unavailable to everyone, not just people that buy singles.. -
@Stevepep
Yes Medex has raised their price $90 in the last 3 months. And that sucks for the resellers. But there are good vendors that barely raised their prices on singles. Unfortunately shipping costs what it cost for these vendors to ship you 1 vial - no way around that.
But what was everyone doing before when they were buying singles of Hospira? And if it waent from $10 + Shipping to $20 + shipping, although that is double it isn’t a huge deal at all… if you go through 1 bottle a month, that is less than a $10 increase a month to you. Go to the gas station and you have that increase sometimes in just one tank of gas.
My WHOLE point is the big price increase really only affects the people that actually buy cases of it. But $10 a month, if that breaks someone they shouldn’t be buying peptides at all…
And again where was everyone getting it before? I just don’t understand why people who buy singles are crying…
And if it becomes unavailable in the future it will be unavailable to everyone, not just people that buy singles..@Commander That's a different argument. IMO I buy what I need, no more, no less, and I abide by the expiration dates, which makes me more focused on buying what I need. When it comes to Hospira, they make something anyone can make. They simply mix water and alcohol. This part of the equation is never, ever going anywhere. People who buy cases, if they are not splitting them with other people, are buying an amount they cannot use prior to the expiration date and likely not even within a two-year period or longer. It's at least 250 vials of product. So they are buying too much and, worse, taking unnecessary risks. This has created a market that knows this, so they manipulate it to get people to grossly overorder, and the more we fall for it, the worse it gets for us as consumers.
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@Commander That's a different argument. IMO I buy what I need, no more, no less, and I abide by the expiration dates, which makes me more focused on buying what I need. When it comes to Hospira, they make something anyone can make. They simply mix water and alcohol. This part of the equation is never, ever going anywhere. People who buy cases, if they are not splitting them with other people, are buying an amount they cannot use prior to the expiration date and likely not even within a two-year period or longer. It's at least 250 vials of product. So they are buying too much and, worse, taking unnecessary risks. This has created a market that knows this, so they manipulate it to get people to grossly overorder, and the more we fall for it, the worse it gets for us as consumers.
@Stevepep
So if BAC is SO easy to make as good as Hospira, then simply answer me this. Why do we have problems using Lambda (probably spelled wrong
) an Parrox with certain peptides? And why do people have iSR with those but not Hospira? If it was so easy to make, than why did all those brands on Amazon fail the tests?
Just so everyone knows - I used Quality Research off of Amazon before I bought Hospira. I used it for HGH and also BPC-157. I personally loved it. If it was still available, I would buy it. But it is not. I have no idea if it would work with everything I take today (Reta, Mots-C, KLOW, Tesa/Ipa, NAD+). But I would try it. So Amazon basically took my BAC water source away. Hell I even had my case made to fit the quality research BAC water vials. My friend had to remake them to fit Hospira.
So again, Amazon took that away.
But one more time. Where did everyone get their BAC water before these price increases? And how has these single vial prices doubling really affected anyone?
So please everyone, please reply to this with a brief description on where you bought your back water before and how the $10 a vial price increase has impacted your peptide use?
I think people complaining about the BAC water price increases are making too big of a deal out if it. But lets see, please tell us where you got it before and how the $10 price increase (at best) per vial has impacted you. Lets put an end to this useless debate by hearing everyone’s answers to those 2 simple questions… -
@Stevepep
So if BAC is SO easy to make as good as Hospira, then simply answer me this. Why do we have problems using Lambda (probably spelled wrong) an Parrox with certain peptides? And why do people have iSR with those but not Hospira? If it was so easy to make, than why did all those brands on Amazon fail the tests?
Just so everyone knows - I used Quality Research off of Amazon before I bought Hospira. I used it for HGH and also BPC-157. I personally loved it. If it was still available, I would buy it. But it is not. I have no idea if it would work with everything I take today (Reta, Mots-C, KLOW, Tesa/Ipa, NAD+). But I would try it. So Amazon basically took my BAC water source away. Hell I even had my case made to fit the quality research BAC water vials. My friend had to remake them to fit Hospira.
So again, Amazon took that away.
But one more time. Where did everyone get their BAC water before these price increases? And how has these single vial prices doubling really affected anyone?
So please everyone, please reply to this with a brief description on where you bought your back water before and how the $10 a vial price increase has impacted your peptide use?
I think people complaining about the BAC water price increases are making too big of a deal out if it. But lets see, please tell us where you got it before and how the $10 price increase (at best) per vial has impacted you. Lets put an end to this useless debate by hearing everyone’s answers to those 2 simple questions…@Commander said:
I think people complaining about the BAC water price increases are making too big of a deal out if it.Its the principle of it! A BAC BOTTLE SHOULD NOT COST MORE THAN A SHOT OF BOURBON!
Oh, crap. I guess I just made your point.
Anyhow, this lady gives a good explanation of how this debacle came to pass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDPZXHPsvWk -
Hahahaha - you two cunts need to get a room.
I’ll admit - I’ve never even seen a real life vial of Hospira.
When I first started- I used whatever Amazon toilet water that was labelled as BAC I could get my hands on - then I started using a local resellers own branded BAC which I now know was probably just Chinese toilet water.
I sorta know a bit more nowadays but I only use one of two brands both made here ie NOT in the US.
Just keep in mind the Hospira thing you Yanks have isn’t really a thing everywhere else in the world - not saying it’s bad shit because it obviously isn’t but it sure as fuck isn’t manna from heaven.Funnily enough I’ve never even had as much as a localised reaction even from the toilet waters.
It’s still stupidly priced and no one’s gunna change my mind on that - it costs as much or more per vial than the peptides we all lust after.
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Toilet water is good until its not. The bigger issues ive seen are recon issues with potty water and very few with hospira. Imagine saving 10 dollars on bac costing you a vial of fat juice.
@eleanor to address your initial comments. These bac water companies are popping up left and right. A bit of research will show you its not hard to make. I can get it tested for everyone but honestly the juice isnt worth the squeeze. How do we know what i get tested is what they are shipping once results are back?
I can't speak for this seller but this is what you seek. This is hospital grade stuff thats 57 cents per 10ml. I would filter since you have to expose the water to atmosphere after ripping off the cap.
A vetted group buy operator I know is working on getting a bac water buy going but finding a source for dial pharma bac (a great alternative) has been tricky
I agree prices on water are getting bonkers but they go up and they go down...they just never go as low as before.
"If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"
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Hahahaha - you two cunts need to get a room.
I’ll admit - I’ve never even seen a real life vial of Hospira.
When I first started- I used whatever Amazon toilet water that was labelled as BAC I could get my hands on - then I started using a local resellers own branded BAC which I now know was probably just Chinese toilet water.
I sorta know a bit more nowadays but I only use one of two brands both made here ie NOT in the US.
Just keep in mind the Hospira thing you Yanks have isn’t really a thing everywhere else in the world - not saying it’s bad shit because it obviously isn’t but it sure as fuck isn’t manna from heaven.Funnily enough I’ve never even had as much as a localised reaction even from the toilet waters.
It’s still stupidly priced and no one’s gunna change my mind on that - it costs as much or more per vial than the peptides we all lust after.
@STATIEEIGHT
So what do the Hospitals and doctors use over there? Like if a doctor gave you a prescription for BAC Water and you went to the pharmacy, what would they give you?
I am asking because maybe whatever they would give you could be obtained through other channels.
Remember over here (US) we actually need a prescription to buy Hospira - we are just getting it other ways.Please excuse my typos. Small Phone & Bad Eyes
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Not sure
But Pfizer have a big arse factory here in Melbourne - I’ll find out. -
Toilet water is good until its not. The bigger issues ive seen are recon issues with potty water and very few with hospira. Imagine saving 10 dollars on bac costing you a vial of fat juice.
@eleanor to address your initial comments. These bac water companies are popping up left and right. A bit of research will show you its not hard to make. I can get it tested for everyone but honestly the juice isnt worth the squeeze. How do we know what i get tested is what they are shipping once results are back?
I can't speak for this seller but this is what you seek. This is hospital grade stuff thats 57 cents per 10ml. I would filter since you have to expose the water to atmosphere after ripping off the cap.
A vetted group buy operator I know is working on getting a bac water buy going but finding a source for dial pharma bac (a great alternative) has been tricky
I agree prices on water are getting bonkers but they go up and they go down...they just never go as low as before.
@Randy Thank you! I very much appreciate your kind response. If you don't think the BAC is worth the test then I bow to your experience. I'm just trying to put things out here for people to look at and you to decide. After the response with this first one, I just tossed the other two ideas I had.
A vetted group buy operator I know is working on getting a bac water buy going but finding a source for dial pharma bac (a great alternative) has been tricky
I would very much like to get in on a group buy for this or any other you deem fit for group buy. Thank you very much again.
Eleanor
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Toilet water is good until its not. The bigger issues ive seen are recon issues with potty water and very few with hospira. Imagine saving 10 dollars on bac costing you a vial of fat juice.
@eleanor to address your initial comments. These bac water companies are popping up left and right. A bit of research will show you its not hard to make. I can get it tested for everyone but honestly the juice isnt worth the squeeze. How do we know what i get tested is what they are shipping once results are back?
I can't speak for this seller but this is what you seek. This is hospital grade stuff thats 57 cents per 10ml. I would filter since you have to expose the water to atmosphere after ripping off the cap.
A vetted group buy operator I know is working on getting a bac water buy going but finding a source for dial pharma bac (a great alternative) has been tricky
I agree prices on water are getting bonkers but they go up and they go down...they just never go as low as before.
Yeh but a vial of Hospira costs more here than any vial of pep I use
I get what you’re saying though and I don’t use Amazon type stuff nowadays
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@STATIEEIGHT
So what do the Hospitals and doctors use over there? Like if a doctor gave you a prescription for BAC Water and you went to the pharmacy, what would they give you?
I am asking because maybe whatever they would give you could be obtained through other channels.
Remember over here (US) we actually need a prescription to buy Hospira - we are just getting it other ways.@Commander I had my doctor write the script. Without insurance covering it -27 a bottle from CVS
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@Commander I had my doctor write the script. Without insurance covering it -27 a bottle from CVS
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@Commander I had my doctor write the script. Without insurance covering it -27 a bottle from CVS
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Toilet water is good until its not. The bigger issues ive seen are recon issues with potty water and very few with hospira. Imagine saving 10 dollars on bac costing you a vial of fat juice.
@eleanor to address your initial comments. These bac water companies are popping up left and right. A bit of research will show you its not hard to make. I can get it tested for everyone but honestly the juice isnt worth the squeeze. How do we know what i get tested is what they are shipping once results are back?
I can't speak for this seller but this is what you seek. This is hospital grade stuff thats 57 cents per 10ml. I would filter since you have to expose the water to atmosphere after ripping off the cap.
A vetted group buy operator I know is working on getting a bac water buy going but finding a source for dial pharma bac (a great alternative) has been tricky
I agree prices on water are getting bonkers but they go up and they go down...they just never go as low as before.
@Randy Bingo about the Indiamart link. Someone posted that exactly on Reddit a couple of months ago. Just that the person was in Vietnam or Philippines getting those from India saying "we don't have Hospira but we get this cheaper" lol
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Toilet water is good until its not. The bigger issues ive seen are recon issues with potty water and very few with hospira. Imagine saving 10 dollars on bac costing you a vial of fat juice.
@eleanor to address your initial comments. These bac water companies are popping up left and right. A bit of research will show you its not hard to make. I can get it tested for everyone but honestly the juice isnt worth the squeeze. How do we know what i get tested is what they are shipping once results are back?
I can't speak for this seller but this is what you seek. This is hospital grade stuff thats 57 cents per 10ml. I would filter since you have to expose the water to atmosphere after ripping off the cap.
A vetted group buy operator I know is working on getting a bac water buy going but finding a source for dial pharma bac (a great alternative) has been tricky
I agree prices on water are getting bonkers but they go up and they go down...they just never go as low as before.
@Randy this is from my bookmarks. Actually I looked up the company Genetek who manufactures this. A group buy person can contact them directly than relying on a Indiamart middleman who might be a scammer. @eleanor FYI
Google maps has the latest review a month ago saying they tried contacting Genetek for imports. Sounds like a pepper person from the US. lol
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@Randy does insurance cover any of it? My Doc would definitely give me a prescription. I didn't realize this was an option in terms of insurance
@Stevepep First check with the insurance if they would cover and what would be your copay. Then you can ask the doctor and you will be another person for me to be jealous of.
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