Vanguard tested Companies
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@Stevepep I understand where your frustration is coming from, and all testing we can will be sent off to vanguard, but I also want you to understand how difficult it is for us to rationalize upwards of 10 business day test result timing, all batches we have ahead of time are going off to vanguard and others to freedom, thats also why we did the test comparison at both labs, to truly see the difference, we truly want to move forward with vanguard but with the volume and growing pains they are experiencing its quite difficult
Our most recent testing we paid for the gold standard and still have yet to receive the endotoxins that were meant the paired alongside the original COA, its almost impossible to reach them within 48 hours from the testing times as well, and it often takes an additional 24-36 hours after testing to get the COAs on our account to publicize them, we are doing what we can while still keeping things in stock and safe, we send as many samples off to vanguard as possible but you guys also don't get to see the behind the scenes like we do, I hope you understand where we are coming from at least a little bit, we would also be open to other labs outside of vanguard or freedom if you have recommendations
@Stevepep I understand where your frustration is coming from, and all testing we can will be sent off to vanguard, but I also want you to understand how difficult it is for us to rationalize upwards of 10 business day test result timing, all batches we have ahead of time are going off to vanguard and others to freedom, thats also why we did the test comparison at both labs, to truly see the difference, we truly want to move forward with vanguard but with the volume and growing pains they are experiencing its quite difficult
Our most recent testing we paid for the gold standard and still have yet to receive the endotoxins that were meant the paired alongside the original COA, its almost impossible to reach them within 48 hours from the testing times as well, and it often takes an additional 24-36 hours after testing to get the COAs on our account to publicize them, we are doing what we can while still keeping things in stock and safe, we send as many samples off to vanguard as possible but you guys also don't get to see the behind the scenes like we do, I hope you understand where we are coming from at least a little bit, we would also be open to other labs outside of vanguard or freedom if you have recommendations
@studzpeptides You also have to understand that us end users who are injecting these peptides into our bodies can’t rationalize using peps from a lab that has lost its credibility by not giving accurate test results whether it’s due to incompetency or maliciously like Freedom has done. So whether it takes you 10 days or 30 days to get the results, if you want the business from this community who cares about accurate testing and COAs then Vanguard and Janoshik are the labs to use. The others like Freedom and ILS have lost their credibility and your testing the two labs head to head above doesn’t somehow negate that and ease our concerns. You have the opportunity here to be a go to site for people with good pricing, good customer service, and using a good lab. That’s your differentiation between all the other sites out there right now. Sticking with Freedom doesn’t make you stick out then.
I’ll buy from you when I don’t want to purchase from Nexaph but it will only be items that are Vanguard tested.
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@Stevepep I understand where your frustration is coming from, and all testing we can will be sent off to vanguard, but I also want you to understand how difficult it is for us to rationalize upwards of 10 business day test result timing, all batches we have ahead of time are going off to vanguard and others to freedom, thats also why we did the test comparison at both labs, to truly see the difference, we truly want to move forward with vanguard but with the volume and growing pains they are experiencing its quite difficult
Our most recent testing we paid for the gold standard and still have yet to receive the endotoxins that were meant the paired alongside the original COA, its almost impossible to reach them within 48 hours from the testing times as well, and it often takes an additional 24-36 hours after testing to get the COAs on our account to publicize them, we are doing what we can while still keeping things in stock and safe, we send as many samples off to vanguard as possible but you guys also don't get to see the behind the scenes like we do, I hope you understand where we are coming from at least a little bit, we would also be open to other labs outside of vanguard or freedom if you have recommendations
@studzpeptides You also have to understand that us end users who are injecting these peptides into our bodies can’t rationalize using peps from a lab that has lost its credibility by not giving accurate test results whether it’s due to incompetency or maliciously like Freedom has done. So whether it takes you 10 days or 30 days to get the results, if you want the business from this community who cares about accurate testing and COAs then Vanguard and Janoshik are the labs to use. The others like Freedom and ILS have lost their credibility and your testing the two labs head to head above doesn’t somehow negate that and ease our concerns. You have the opportunity here to be a go to site for people with good pricing, good customer service, and using a good lab. That’s your differentiation between all the other sites out there right now. Sticking with Freedom doesn’t make you stick out then.
I’ll buy from you when I don’t want to purchase from Nexaph but it will only be items that are Vanguard tested.
@denti I understand and respect that, in the end what you guys want is what you guys will deal with, plain and simple, I just hope you can understand from our point of view at least a little bit, we have been waiting over 3 business days for added endotoxin results to the original COAs we paid for from vanguard, that right there in that of itself it very difficult on top of the 8 business days we waited for the initial results, like I mentioned we are doing everything in our power to send as many items off the vanguard as possible, I would also appreciate some general education on the incompetent/malicious testing results that have occurred at freedom as I am not aware of these things but have heard them mentioned again and again
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@denti I understand and respect that, in the end what you guys want is what you guys will deal with, plain and simple, I just hope you can understand from our point of view at least a little bit, we have been waiting over 3 business days for added endotoxin results to the original COAs we paid for from vanguard, that right there in that of itself it very difficult on top of the 8 business days we waited for the initial results, like I mentioned we are doing everything in our power to send as many items off the vanguard as possible, I would also appreciate some general education on the incompetent/malicious testing results that have occurred at freedom as I am not aware of these things but have heard them mentioned again and again
@StudzPeptides You asked what this community wanted and we told you. We don't care if it takes 30 days for testing as long as it's from a reliable lab. Sterility testing should be 14 days unless you are cheaping out and only doing the PCR.
There's plenty of information on why Freedom is not preferred if you do a little research in the forum here you'll see many complaints against them.
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@denti I understand and respect that, in the end what you guys want is what you guys will deal with, plain and simple, I just hope you can understand from our point of view at least a little bit, we have been waiting over 3 business days for added endotoxin results to the original COAs we paid for from vanguard, that right there in that of itself it very difficult on top of the 8 business days we waited for the initial results, like I mentioned we are doing everything in our power to send as many items off the vanguard as possible, I would also appreciate some general education on the incompetent/malicious testing results that have occurred at freedom as I am not aware of these things but have heard them mentioned again and again
@denti I understand and respect that, in the end what you guys want is what you guys will deal with, plain and simple, I just hope you can understand from our point of view at least a little bit, we have been waiting over 3 business days for added endotoxin results to the original COAs we paid for from vanguard, that right there in that of itself it very difficult on top of the 8 business days we waited for the initial results, like I mentioned we are doing everything in our power to send as many items off the vanguard as possible, I would also appreciate some general education on the incompetent/malicious testing results that have occurred at freedom as I am not aware of these things but have heard them mentioned again and again
You’ll have to search this forum for that or maybe Randy or someone else can fill you in.
Regarding on waiting for Endo testing. Why not a compromise of you put up the initial vanguard coa and start selling the pep with a notice that endotoxins report coming soon? With a guarantee that if it comes out bad you will refund the purchase for anyone who has already bought and received from you. I believe I’ve recently seen similar on Nexaph where they put up the Jano COA with the usual identity/mass/purity and said endo and heavy metal report for that batch was coming soon but we’re still selling it. You could do the same.
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@StudzPeptides You asked what this community wanted and we told you. We don't care if it takes 30 days for testing as long as it's from a reliable lab. Sterility testing should be 14 days unless you are cheaping out and only doing the PCR.
There's plenty of information on why Freedom is not preferred if you do a little research in the forum here you'll see many complaints against them.
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@denti I understand and respect that, in the end what you guys want is what you guys will deal with, plain and simple, I just hope you can understand from our point of view at least a little bit, we have been waiting over 3 business days for added endotoxin results to the original COAs we paid for from vanguard, that right there in that of itself it very difficult on top of the 8 business days we waited for the initial results, like I mentioned we are doing everything in our power to send as many items off the vanguard as possible, I would also appreciate some general education on the incompetent/malicious testing results that have occurred at freedom as I am not aware of these things but have heard them mentioned again and again
You’ll have to search this forum for that or maybe Randy or someone else can fill you in.
Regarding on waiting for Endo testing. Why not a compromise of you put up the initial vanguard coa and start selling the pep with a notice that endotoxins report coming soon? With a guarantee that if it comes out bad you will refund the purchase for anyone who has already bought and received from you. I believe I’ve recently seen similar on Nexaph where they put up the Jano COA with the usual identity/mass/purity and said endo and heavy metal report for that batch was coming soon but we’re still selling it. You could do the same.
@denti You're right we can 100% do that, its not so much the worry of endo coming back back or something of the sort, its the fact there is little to no communication as to what exactly is taking so long, and not fulfilling what they state they normally would with us supposed to have been receiving endotoxins along side the initial results
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@denti You're right we can 100% do that, its not so much the worry of endo coming back back or something of the sort, its the fact there is little to no communication as to what exactly is taking so long, and not fulfilling what they state they normally would with us supposed to have been receiving endotoxins along side the initial results
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@studzpeptides I agree with @stevepep @denti.
Freedom being too popular and vendors flocking them actually raises questions, same as ILS or Kovera. Even grey vendors started flocking Kovera who traditionally always used Janoshik.
If one lab takes time find an alternative that has not had issues reported repeatedly in the past. Pivoting to a "fast turnaround" lab is actually worse for customer trust.
I raised this Freedom and ILS question on another Skool forum and a vendor argued "oh every lab has had problems sometimes". My response was — bring your receipts, when exactly and which lab and what was the problem, and how many times that repeated? Throwing this hand wavy statement is just dismissing the issue and creating distraction.
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@StudzPeptides they respond to emails within 24 hours I have found. There are taking longer to test that’s for sure
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@studzpeptides I agree with @stevepep @denti.
Freedom being too popular and vendors flocking them actually raises questions, same as ILS or Kovera. Even grey vendors started flocking Kovera who traditionally always used Janoshik.
If one lab takes time find an alternative that has not had issues reported repeatedly in the past. Pivoting to a "fast turnaround" lab is actually worse for customer trust.
I raised this Freedom and ILS question on another Skool forum and a vendor argued "oh every lab has had problems sometimes". My response was — bring your receipts, when exactly and which lab and what was the problem, and how many times that repeated? Throwing this hand wavy statement is just dismissing the issue and creating distraction.
@pep_researcher Sounds good yall, I understand, and again we will be sending multiple samples off with better testing off to vanguard today or tomorrow, paying for expedited testing as well
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So with vanguard I feel Studz pain. One thing thats not talked about is their typo/coa error rate. I know many vendors that have moved away from them because they input the wrong year or misspell the vendor then getting it amended takes as long as getting the tests.
They recently flubbed the tests for our truck reta testing. Luckily i had two sets of samples to get it done.
Freedom im not so sure about either.
"If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"
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So with vanguard I feel Studz pain. One thing thats not talked about is their typo/coa error rate. I know many vendors that have moved away from them because they input the wrong year or misspell the vendor then getting it amended takes as long as getting the tests.
They recently flubbed the tests for our truck reta testing. Luckily i had two sets of samples to get it done.
Freedom im not so sure about either.
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So with vanguard I feel Studz pain. One thing thats not talked about is their typo/coa error rate. I know many vendors that have moved away from them because they input the wrong year or misspell the vendor then getting it amended takes as long as getting the tests.
They recently flubbed the tests for our truck reta testing. Luckily i had two sets of samples to get it done.
Freedom im not so sure about either.
So with vanguard I feel Studz pain. One thing thats not talked about is their typo/coa error rate. I know many vendors that have moved away from them because they input the wrong year or misspell the vendor then getting it amended takes as long as getting the tests.
They recently flubbed the tests for our truck reta testing. Luckily i had two sets of samples to get it done.
Freedom im not so sure about either.
Speaking of Typo's in the Tegridy GB the COA from vanguard originally had the Loretta formula had Elora @ 10MG an Reta @ 2MG
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