Enclomiphene sourcing
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@denti
Bet you're not surprised at this point. E2 was negatively affected as well. I'm confident that what you got was not enclomiphene (or clomid for that matter) and whatever it was messed with your pituitary. So you need a win my friend. Honestly, if you haven't already, I'd suggest starting at the beginning of this thread and read through how it evolved over time. The reason I sent 3 samples to Vanguard was to answer the question/concern about whether sources were just sending Clomid and asked them specifically to quantify the Zuclomiphene isomer (not desired). The great Randy himself gave me the idea. Fortunately, (and with a $250 per sample price tag!) all good with those 3. I hear Kimera may now make you jump through some hoops to register. My account was apparently grandfathered in. (FYI- Empower is a compounding pharmacy and you need a script). Sooo...I'd suggest Swiss Chems. $80 for 12.5mg, 60 caps. Latest batch looks good according to Freedom (not a favorite in this forum cuz 'reasons', but what are you gonna do).@denti
Bet you're not surprised at this point. E2 was negatively affected as well. I'm confident that what you got was not enclomiphene (or clomid for that matter) and whatever it was messed with your pituitary. So you need a win my friend. Honestly, if you haven't already, I'd suggest starting at the beginning of this thread and read through how it evolved over time. The reason I sent 3 samples to Vanguard was to answer the question/concern about whether sources were just sending Clomid and asked them specifically to quantify the Zuclomiphene isomer (not desired). The great Randy himself gave me the idea. Fortunately, (and with a $250 per sample price tag!) all good with those 3. I hear Kimera may now make you jump through some hoops to register. My account was apparently grandfathered in. (FYI- Empower is a compounding pharmacy and you need a script). Sooo...I'd suggest Swiss Chems. $80 for 12.5mg, 60 caps. Latest batch looks good according to Freedom (not a favorite in this forum cuz 'reasons', but what are you gonna do). -
Expensive but maybe go the telehealth route. Then if in a month or so check bloods - if imepoved great, if similar blood results, then you'll know you're just a non responder.
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Yikes...So. There are some clues here. Look at your LH/ FSH. Both DECREASED- the opposite of what enclomiphene should have produced, SHBG crashed as well. This strongly suggests enclomiphene was NOT what you took. This plus the side effects you mentioned imply you were actually exposed to an oral AAS or possibly a SARM. Run your scenario through your favorite clanker. I think it will agree. The only way to know would be to test it but clearly I wouldn't take any more of it!
@Stones67 Do you remember what batch from kimera you got tested?
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I got a bottle of enclo from Umbrella Labs recently but haven’t dipped into it yet, anyone used their stuff? Also got bromantane which I am taking as of last weekend, so far so good…
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Well this is a bit surprising. My total T was 513 mid July. I then started Enclomiphene Sept 12th taking 12.5mg 3x a week. I took my last dose Oct 31. I had my lab work done 6days later on Nov 6th and just got my results back. My total T dropped to 483.
I for sure thought it would have gone up using Enclomiphene for 6 weeks. Not sure what to think now. Was I taking just bunk pills even though it has a COA.
Well this is a bit surprising. My total T was 513 mid July. I then started Enclomiphene Sept 12th taking 12.5mg 3x a week. I took my last dose Oct 31. I had my lab work done 6days later on Nov 6th and just got my results back. My total T dropped to 483.
I for sure thought it would have gone up using Enclomiphene for 6 weeks. Not sure what to think now. Was I taking just bunk pills even though it has a COA.
I think testing 6 days after last dose then not liking the results of a drug that has a 10hour halflife says more about you than the drug.
I had to wash out 12.5 mg daily enclomiphene for doctor to retest and in 2 weeks testosterone fell 400points to just below my old baseline I didn't test at a week but I can tell you I was feeling it in just a few days.
The 25mg three times a week I think mostly about not trusting people to break a tablet in half or for when capsules at 25mg. -
The effects on luteinizing hormone and total testosterone levels persisted for at least one week after stopping treatment.
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The effects on luteinizing hormone and total testosterone levels persisted for at least one week after stopping treatment.
The effects on luteinizing hormone and total testosterone levels persisted for at least one week after stopping treatment.
And in the first sentence it states
"following initial and chronic daily oral doses of enclomiphene citrate "So do the dosing schedule wrong then wait a week.........
This test was inconclusive.
Enclomiphene is also pretty cheap from someplace like algorx that will write the prescription, 25mg scored tablets 30count is like $100 so 2 months worth, cheaper with subscription.
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Researching enclomiphene eod or 3x per week is a highly established protocol.
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Established yes but without coherent justification. It is borrowed from clomid with a way longer halflife on the other half of that compound. It makes no sense with a 10hour half life.
You know what else is well established in this space once a week 200mg testosterone shots but if a provider suggests that today I hope everyone walks away.
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Hey guys. Checked out for a few days. Sick kiddo and busy work schedule. Rapid fire answers in no particular order.
Adrian-Kimera enclo lot # is KC-ENC-05 mfg date 4-15-26.
Denti- sorry I don't have a referral code- just not my style. I wish I could help you figure out what your results mean but since we don't know what was in those capsules it'll be speculation. Your description of intense hunger and hot flashes was something I had not heard before from folks taking enclo and why I did some more digging. It could have been a combination of compounds. Got any left over for testing? The term "bunk" is apt here but always remember it may not be just a benign filler. Your pituitary axis took a hit from something(s).
bObb- you're not wrong about the half life of enclomiphene. However if you take it in the evening, sleep as it does its work, the end result mimics natural physiology decently- your T level ends up highest in the am, but avoids large spikes like TRT- hence the more current recommendation for 2-3 divided doses per week. Daily is even better but is a commitment! But then of course your balls shrink and you lose most of your swimmers- unless you take corrective action. I agree with you that a compounding pharmacy source improves your chances of getting what you paid for, and not getting something harmful- like our poor friend denti!
ManicX- yes it is. I just listened to a 20 minute lecture, at a major mens health society conference, on enclomiphene as part of the armamentarium for treating/optimizing T levels in men (majority younger) who wish to preserve fertility. It is absolutely a standard of care 'option'. It is not the least bit fringe. But as with all things your mileage may vary!
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