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We tested peptide degradation so people can stop guessing

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    Commander
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    @randy
    Great test and info. One thing I do not understand. Why did the reconed peptide not freeze at 4°F? And where did they get a refrigerator that got that cold. I can’t get mine to go below 35°F.

    My apologies. Looking at this now on the computer it says 36°F. The dam phone is just so small that I thought it said 4°F.

    Is there a peptide to make my vision better?

    Please excuse my typos. Small Phone & Bad Eyes

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      @randy First off, thank you so much for this extremely valuable research,. It has changed my perspective on purchasing peptides in larger quantity vials. Although given the appearance of value, the degradation is definitely a factor, especially with Mots-C! My question is, although it’s not the exactly the same, can we assume that Reta might behave in a “similar” fashion to Tirzepatide?

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        thanks for this very timely study! I'm not sure how you knew I left my tirzepatide out on the counter for a few hours yesterday, but this has calmed my nerves. I was thinking I ruined a brand new vial.

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          bangkokiscool
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          Very cool study. Extremely helpful.

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            At Peptide Critic, we get asked this stuff constantly.

            • I left my peptide out overnight, is it ruined?
            • How long is reconstituted peptide actually good for?
            • Does refrigeration really matter that much?
            • Is bacteriostatic water helping or hurting stability?

            Some of these are smart questions. Some are panic questions. Some are asked by people staring at a vial they forgot on the counter and hoping for good news.

            Either way, the problem is the same: most people are working off vendor claims, forum lore, and random opinions repeated as fact.

            So we decided to actually test it.

            We partnered with Analytical Formulations Inc. (AFI) to evaluate the stability of three peptides after reconstitution:

            • Tirzepatide
            • MOTS-c
            • Mazdutide

            We wanted to see how much activity remained over time under refrigerated vs ambient storage conditions.

            Also worth noting: every batch used for these tests passed endotoxin and sterility screening. Degradation is one issue. Contamination is another.

            How the testing worked

            Each peptide was tested in duplicate.

            • One sample was stored at 36°F
            • One sample was stored at ambient room temperature, roughly 75–80°F with an average around 76°F

            All samples were:

            • reconstituted with bacteriostatic water containing 0.9% benzyl alcohol
            • stored in a light-free environment

            Activity was tracked over about four months using UV-Vis spectrophotometry, looking at reduction in the extinction coefficient in the aromatic range.

            Plain English version: we were measuring how much usable activity remained over time, not just whether a vial still looked normal.

            Big picture takeaway

            Refrigeration helped across the board. No shock there.

            What was more interesting is that all three peptides seemed to follow a similar pattern:

            • a slower decline early on
            • then a much sharper drop later

            So degradation did not look like a smooth straight line from Day 1 to the finish. It looked more like a threshold got crossed and things started falling apart faster.

            That pattern showed up in refrigerated samples too, not just the room-temp ones. So temperature is clearly important, but it does not look like it is the only thing driving long-term loss once peptides are reconstituted.


            Tirzepatide results

            Tirzepatide was more resilient on the counter than a lot of people would expect.

            Ambient (~76°F)

            • Day 7: 97.8%
            • Day 15: 95.0%
            • Day 31: 40.3%

            Refrigerated (36°F)

            • Day 15: 94.1%
            • Day 61: 92.3%
            • Day 113: 40.1%

            So no, leaving Tirzepatide out briefly does not appear to mean instant death.

            But the drop between 2 weeks and 1 month at room temperature was brutal. That is the important part. Short-term resilience is not the same thing as long-term stability.

            Tirzepatide infographic:


            MOTS-c results

            This one mattered because MOTS-c has been surrounded by a lot of exaggerated claims, especially the idea that it breaks down after just a few hours.

            Our data did not support that.

            Ambient (~76°F)

            • Day 7: 86.1%
            • Day 15: 76.2%
            • Day 31: 16.9%

            Refrigerated (36°F)

            • Day 15: 96.0%
            • Day 31: 88.9%
            • Day 113: 35.4%

            So yes, this pretty clearly debunks the “MOTS-c dies in hours” narrative.

            That said, it was not magically stable forever either. At room temp it fell off hard by Day 31, and even refrigerated long-term retention dropped substantially by Day 113.

            MOTS-c infographic:


            Mazdutide results

            Mazdutide ended up being the strongest room-temperature performer of the three in the earlier part of the study.

            Ambient (~76°F)

            • Day 7: 78.3%
            • Day 15: 71.2%
            • Day 31: 64.5%

            Refrigerated (36°F)

            • Day 15: 93.4%
            • Day 61: 88.5%
            • Day 113: 38.3%

            So while refrigeration still gave the best overall retention, Mazdutide looked the most forgiving on the counter early on.

            Mazdutide infographic:


            What this means in real life

            If your question is:

            “I left my peptide out. Is it ruined?”

            The answer is usually not as simple as yes or no.

            Based on these results:

            • some reconstituted peptides retain meaningful activity for a while even outside refrigeration
            • different peptides behave very differently
            • refrigeration still matters
            • long-term decline can suddenly accelerate harder than people expect

            That means “it survived overnight” and “it stores well long term” are not the same statement.

            One interesting question this raises

            All samples in this study were prepared using bacteriostatic water with 0.9% benzyl alcohol.

            That raises an obvious follow-up question:

            Is benzyl alcohol contributing to the threshold-like drop we observed later?

            Maybe.

            The pattern across all three compounds suggests that storage temperature is not the only variable affecting long-term stability after reconstitution. That does not make bacteriostatic water the villain, because sterility matters, but it does make it something worth looking at more closely in future testing.

            Limitations

            This was not meant to be the final word on every peptide and every formulation.

            This was a controlled comparison using:

            • three peptides
            • one diluent type
            • one ambient range
            • one refrigerated condition
            • one analytical method

            Commercial products may behave differently depending on buffers, excipients, formulation choices, and manufacturing controls.

            Still, this is a lot more useful than recycled forum arguments and vendor wishful thinking.

            Bottom line

            If you want the best retention:

            • refrigerate reconstituted peptides
            • do not drag out usage longer than necessary
            • do not assume all compounds behave the same
            • stop repeating that MOTS-c dies in hours
            • stop assuming Tirzepatide instantly becomes trash if it sits out briefly

            The bigger lesson here is that degradation is real, but it is not always immediate, linear, or intuitive.

            That is exactly why we ran the tests.

            We would rather test it than guess.

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            Lady Hamilton
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            @Randy
            Thanks guys🙏🏻 you are selfless lab rat Randy

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              ceejaytee8699
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              Thank you for completing this investigation, it is very informative for research purposes! This type of information just isn't typically available, so I really appreciate your investment on all our behalf. Kudos to you & the Rat!

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                sunny16
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                Great study, thank you for doing that and sharing the results!! One question...for the refrigerated temperature, did you mean 34 degrees, rather than 4 degrees, which is well below freezing?

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                  bangkokiscool
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                  I'm curious to see the sharp drop after a few months for Tirz even in the fridge. How does the pharma pen stay valid for their expiry dates?

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                    ResearchCat
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                    @bangkokiscool yeah, I was thinking of this, but it is worth noting that compounded tirz with the ‘extended BUD’ has preservatives in it to help it remain stable and viable. So it would likely require a separate test using (very expensive) vials sourced from a compounding pharmacy.

                    I have received compounded Tirz from two different compounding pharmacies, one of whom regularly sent product that was past its BUD with a note showing that their testing shows it is good for 6 months after that and and extended BUD.

                    I can only attest from using it that it still works, but idk what the potency was.

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                      ResearchCat
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                      And yeah, they never provide either test results or vial potency/concentrations.

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                        @randy It cant be said enough but thanks for all that you do. I greatly appreciate it.

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                          I love actual logical science when dealing with peps! I thank you and my wombat thanks you!

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                            a beautiful post! thank you for that you guys and rodents are the best Clouse Salutes you

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