Vial pics on COAs?
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Why don't all vendors and testing labs put vial pics on their COAs? This community has select vendors verified and backed by @randy but for any other vendor - this is a glaring loophole to recycle COAs without testing each batch and just slapping the same old bath ID on new ones without testing.
All labs should put vial pics on COAs to avoid COA recycling. I know people will say there can be two batches back to back with same vial cap colors, but that's an infrequent possibility.
WDYT?
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On one hand, my thought is, at least they are not hiding it for those who do include the pic, but on the other, they are boosting prices, claiming they do their own testing, many of the vendors are just the basics, M/P/C. I'm guessing the Labs are getting paid to change the company name on the recycled CoA(YES I said it). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm leaning toward being closer to the truth at this point
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On one hand, my thought is, at least they are not hiding it for those who do include the pic, but on the other, they are boosting prices, claiming they do their own testing, many of the vendors are just the basics, M/P/C. I'm guessing the Labs are getting paid to change the company name on the recycled CoA(YES I said it). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm leaning toward being closer to the truth at this point
@WisGal64 said in Vial pics on COAs?:
On one hand, my thought is, at least they are not hiding it, but on the other, they are boosting prices, claiming they do their own testing, many of the vendors are just the basics, M/P/C. I'm guessing the Labs are getting paid to change the company name on the recycled CoA(YES I said it). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm leaning toward being closer to the truth at this point
Peter from Janoshik confirmed they'll reissue COAs with different company names if the original testing company requests it.
Game theory problem: One vendor opens sister storefronts, gets COAs reissued under new names while product batches keep changing. This creates massive loopholes.
So then you start thinking maybe regulatory oversight has benefits, but then you see the current regulators are complete sellouts--which is why the RUO market exploded.
Finally it feels like we're back to primitive survival: community-based trust and shared knowledge are the only safeguards.
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On one hand, my thought is, at least they are not hiding it for those who do include the pic, but on the other, they are boosting prices, claiming they do their own testing, many of the vendors are just the basics, M/P/C. I'm guessing the Labs are getting paid to change the company name on the recycled CoA(YES I said it). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm leaning toward being closer to the truth at this point
@WisGal64 Like the infamous JEEP endotoxin meltdown, unless one is in close-knit RUO communities, it would be impossible for a newbie or outsider to know the chaos and avoid the problem.
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@WisGal64 said in Vial pics on COAs?:
On one hand, my thought is, at least they are not hiding it, but on the other, they are boosting prices, claiming they do their own testing, many of the vendors are just the basics, M/P/C. I'm guessing the Labs are getting paid to change the company name on the recycled CoA(YES I said it). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm leaning toward being closer to the truth at this point
Peter from Janoshik confirmed they'll reissue COAs with different company names if the original testing company requests it.
Game theory problem: One vendor opens sister storefronts, gets COAs reissued under new names while product batches keep changing. This creates massive loopholes.
So then you start thinking maybe regulatory oversight has benefits, but then you see the current regulators are complete sellouts--which is why the RUO market exploded.
Finally it feels like we're back to primitive survival: community-based trust and shared knowledge are the only safeguards.
@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 said in Vial pics on COAs?:
On one hand, my thought is, at least they are not hiding it, but on the other, they are boosting prices, claiming they do their own testing, many of the vendors are just the basics, M/P/C. I'm guessing the Labs are getting paid to change the company name on the recycled CoA(YES I said it). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm leaning toward being closer to the truth at this point
Peter from Janoshik confirmed they'll reissue COAs with different company names if the original testing company requests it.
Game theory problem: One vendor opens sister storefronts, gets COAs reissued under new names while product batches keep changing. This creates massive loopholes.
So then you start thinking maybe regulatory oversight has benefits, but then you see the current regulators are complete sellouts--which is why the RUO market exploded.
Finally it feels like we're back to primitive survival: community-based trust and shared knowledge are the only safeguards.
I missed that Part about him confirming it. I'm in agreement with you 100%
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@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 said in Vial pics on COAs?:
On one hand, my thought is, at least they are not hiding it, but on the other, they are boosting prices, claiming they do their own testing, many of the vendors are just the basics, M/P/C. I'm guessing the Labs are getting paid to change the company name on the recycled CoA(YES I said it). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm leaning toward being closer to the truth at this point
Peter from Janoshik confirmed they'll reissue COAs with different company names if the original testing company requests it.
Game theory problem: One vendor opens sister storefronts, gets COAs reissued under new names while product batches keep changing. This creates massive loopholes.
So then you start thinking maybe regulatory oversight has benefits, but then you see the current regulators are complete sellouts--which is why the RUO market exploded.
Finally it feels like we're back to primitive survival: community-based trust and shared knowledge are the only safeguards.
I missed that Part about him confirming it. I'm in agreement with you 100%
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@WisGal64 He did in one interview. If I can pull up the video will link it here. Was part of a longish interview but this bit caught my attention and got itched in my memory.
@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 He did in one interview. If I can pull up the video will link it here. Was part of a longish interview but this bit caught my attention and got itched in my memory.
Was it the one with Derek?
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@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 He did in one interview. If I can pull up the video will link it here. Was part of a longish interview but this bit caught my attention and got itched in my memory.
Was it the one with Derek?
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@WisGal64 Oh right. That's the one. Are you in that community too? LoL
@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 Oh right. That's the one. Are you in that community too? LoL
LOL yes!
I honestly, have learned so much from this community and others. The differing opinions are great to hear and learn from. Make your own informed decisions etc.
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@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 Oh right. That's the one. Are you in that community too? LoL
LOL yes!
I honestly, have learned so much from this community and others. The differing opinions are great to hear and learn from. Make your own informed decisions etc.
@WisGal64 said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 Oh right. That's the one. Are you in that community too? LoL
LOL yes!
Hahahaha me too! High-five
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@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 Oh right. That's the one. Are you in that community too? LoL
LOL yes!
I honestly, have learned so much from this community and others. The differing opinions are great to hear and learn from. Make your own informed decisions etc.
@WisGal64 said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 Oh right. That's the one. Are you in that community too? LoL
LOL yes!
I honestly, have learned so much from this community and others. The differing opinions are great to hear and learn from. Make your own informed decisions etc.
Agreed. I found this community through Jeff's YouTube videos. I found them very insightful especially about peptide gelling and misconceptions etc. I also liked that he allows discussions of all vendors including greys. It's good to get holistic perspective. -
@WisGal64 said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 Oh right. That's the one. Are you in that community too? LoL
LOL yes!
I honestly, have learned so much from this community and others. The differing opinions are great to hear and learn from. Make your own informed decisions etc.
Agreed. I found this community through Jeff's YouTube videos. I found them very insightful especially about peptide gelling and misconceptions etc. I also liked that he allows discussions of all vendors including greys. It's good to get holistic perspective.@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 Oh right. That's the one. Are you in that community too? LoL
LOL yes!
I honestly, have learned so much from this community and others. The differing opinions are great to hear and learn from. Make your own informed decisions etc.
Agreed. I found this community through Randy's YouTube videos. I found them very insightful especially about peptide gelling and misconceptions etc. I also liked that he allows discussions of all vendors including greys. It's good to get holistic perspective.Absolutely! I found Randy the same way!
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@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 He did in one interview. If I can pull up the video will link it here. Was part of a longish interview but this bit caught my attention and got itched in my memory.
Was it the one with Derek?
@WisGal64 said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@pep_researcher said in Vial pics on COAs?:
@WisGal64 He did in one interview. If I can pull up the video will link it here. Was part of a longish interview but this bit caught my attention and got itched in my memory.
Was it the one with Derek?
How do you get a login on Derek's site to see those reviews?
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@wisgal64 and @pep_researcher I'm in that group, too! LOL
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I like pictures of vials as an added risk mitigation when vetting potential vendors and sources. I also like how places like Nexaph help foster a super active community on TG that handle 3rd party testing.
