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Peptides vs Filters 0.22 vs Peptide stability

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    timber6
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    Has Randy ever sent back a peptide to the lab after filtration?

    • A few guides have emphasised the handling of research supplies, not to shake your peptides: I was wondering the effect of forcing it through a 0.22 filter (also the types of filters (PES, PTFE, Nylon)

    Thanks

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    • T timber6

      Has Randy ever sent back a peptide to the lab after filtration?

      • A few guides have emphasised the handling of research supplies, not to shake your peptides: I was wondering the effect of forcing it through a 0.22 filter (also the types of filters (PES, PTFE, Nylon)

      Thanks

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      Stevepep
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      @timber6 good question

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        ResearchCat
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        It is a good question. Possibly germane to the question is that the whole peptide fragility discussion seems largely spurious. Over the past year or so, it seems like a lot of ‘experts’ have gone from ‘treat your peptides like a precious flower’ to ‘you can drop it from an airplane’ and I have never really seen any evidence that shaking it will destroy the contents.

        It is similar to the conversations about how quickly peptides deteriorate once reconstituted and whether blends destroy themselves. Both of these assertions have been clarified thanks to Randy’s work here.

        And anecdotally, based on my chats with him, you can be certain any vials Jeff/Randy send into the lab have been shaken quite vigorously. :). I can say from experience that you don’t get 7 vials of epitalon into one pen cart without shaking.

        Please set a funny and sarcastic signature line. It brings me joy. Thank you for your attention in this matter.

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          vpeptides
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          If you compare for example these descriptions for Hydrophilic PES and
          Hydrophilic PVDF filters, it seems like Hydrophilic PVDF is better for peptides, allowing more peptides to get through, while filtering out cell cultures.

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            matthewwalsh
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            Couldn't tell you myself so I AI'ed it... The answer below. Don't know this to be true but here it is.

            "PES earns the top spot for one primary reason: it has the absolute lowest protein/peptide binding rate of any syringe filter membrane material available. Here's the full breakdown: simsii

            The Core Reason: Lowest Peptide Loss

            PES is a naturally hydrophilic polymer, meaning it readily allows aqueous solutions to pass through without "grabbing" onto the peptide molecules in solution. Other membrane materials — even hydrophilic PVDF — have a slightly higher affinity for proteins and peptides, so a small but measurable amount of your peptide gets adsorbed into the membrane and never makes it to your vial. When you're working with expensive peptides at low concentrations, every unit matters. agilent

            Additional Advantages of PES

            Fastest flow rate — PES filters push liquid through quicker than PVDF or other membranes, which reduces the force needed on the plunger and lowers the risk of damaging the filter seal hplcvials
            Chemically inert — it won't leach contaminants into your solution or react with standard reconstitution vehicles like bacteriostatic water simsii
            Non-pyrogenic — certified free of pyrogens (fever-causing substances), which matters for anything you're injecting simsii
            Transparent membrane — you can visually confirm the solution is passing through cleanly simsii
            Industry standard for biologics — PES is the go-to membrane in biotech and pharmaceutical labs for sterilizing protein and peptide solutions, so it's extremely well-validated simsii

            The Practical Takeaway

            For your typical peptide reconstituted in BAC water or sterile water, PES simply checks every box: lowest peptide loss, fastest flow, no contamination risk, and proven sterile filtration at 0.22 µm. Hydrophilic PVDF is excellent but gets edged out on those first two points in pure aqueous applications. agilent

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              vpeptides
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              Funny enough, AI persistently convinced me that Hydrophilic PVDF is a lot better option than PES for peptides.

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                It is a good question. Possibly germane to the question is that the whole peptide fragility discussion seems largely spurious. Over the past year or so, it seems like a lot of ‘experts’ have gone from ‘treat your peptides like a precious flower’ to ‘you can drop it from an airplane’ and I have never really seen any evidence that shaking it will destroy the contents.

                It is similar to the conversations about how quickly peptides deteriorate once reconstituted and whether blends destroy themselves. Both of these assertions have been clarified thanks to Randy’s work here.

                And anecdotally, based on my chats with him, you can be certain any vials Jeff/Randy send into the lab have been shaken quite vigorously. :). I can say from experience that you don’t get 7 vials of epitalon into one pen cart without shaking.

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                mrjoshua44
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                @ResearchCat I just put seven vials of SS-31 into two pen cartridges. Was a little stressful but it all worked out.
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