Going for Cartalax Over Wolverine First & Will See If Problems Resolve
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On another thread here was a discussion of TB4 and BPC157, 1 to 1 ratio in premixed formulas not being accurate with regard to the individual dosages of the two. I agree with this assessment and since I cannot afford to dose kitty individually, I'm going to try Cartalax first and see if it resolves any of the joint and other tissue pain she has. As we all know, the cost of peptides can be prohibitive, at least for us.
Any comments/information is welcomed. Wish cat the best. She's old and hurting.
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I'll be starting a full Carta-Wolv cycle on the 10th, had to give the VEGFR2/Angiogenesis pathways time to reset.
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I think you will be wasting your money on cartalx alone, at minimum for cost run a KLOW with it for best results. Cartalax is a bioregulator it is a short chain of amino acids that only promote a specific signals for your rat to heal in a very specific way. when I say short chain amino acids, imagine each amino acid is a letter and your trying to spell a word. Cartlax would only give you 2 letters there is just not enough there to run it by itself it needs more to be effective.
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I think you will be wasting your money on cartalx alone, at minimum for cost run a KLOW with it for best results. Cartalax is a bioregulator it is a short chain of amino acids that only promote a specific signals for your rat to heal in a very specific way. when I say short chain amino acids, imagine each amino acid is a letter and your trying to spell a word. Cartlax would only give you 2 letters there is just not enough there to run it by itself it needs more to be effective.
@brandenscheidecker bingo
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It makes sense to try Cartalax by itself, this tripeptide is a potent bioregulator that triggers cartilage regeneration. Effectiveness of peptides is not measured in the number of amino acids in them, if there is any correlation here, it is: the smaller is a peptide, the more global systemic effect it may have.
But it would make sense to also supply the building blocks for your cartilage: take enough collagen, protein, vitamin C. Also you may consider some sulfur-containing amino acids and compounds like NAC and MSM. -
I disagree, there is more to a knee/joint than just cartilage, there are tendons, ligaments, lots of flesshy parts in there. lack of cartilage causes pain and pain=inflammation, attack the problem and everything around it.
tb-500, bpc 157, KPV, GHK Cu, Cartalax
started my rat on this for knee pain, and an old rotator cuff injury about a month ago. could not walk down stairs without pain, could not bench press without pain, now my rat has no pain issues on the stairs, am bench pressing without pain. -
I would add tb 500/ bpc 157 before cartalx
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I disagree, there is more to a knee/joint than just cartilage, there are tendons, ligaments, lots of flesshy parts in there. lack of cartilage causes pain and pain=inflammation, attack the problem and everything around it.
tb-500, bpc 157, KPV, GHK Cu, Cartalax
started my rat on this for knee pain, and an old rotator cuff injury about a month ago. could not walk down stairs without pain, could not bench press without pain, now my rat has no pain issues on the stairs, am bench pressing without pain.@brandenscheidecker
Branden,
Would you mind sharing the protocol for your research?
I am about to bump from BPC+TB to everything you list (minus the KPV at the moment).
Did you inject a single site or both knee and shoulder (different days? half doses?)?
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It makes sense to try Cartalax by itself, this tripeptide is a potent bioregulator that triggers cartilage regeneration. Effectiveness of peptides is not measured in the number of amino acids in them, if there is any correlation here, it is: the smaller is a peptide, the more global systemic effect it may have.
But it would make sense to also supply the building blocks for your cartilage: take enough collagen, protein, vitamin C. Also you may consider some sulfur-containing amino acids and compounds like NAC and MSM.It makes sense to try Cartalax by itself, this tripeptide is a potent bioregulator that triggers cartilage regeneration. Effectiveness of peptides is not measured in the number of amino acids in them, if there is any correlation here, it is: the smaller is a peptide, the more global systemic effect it may have.
But it would make sense to also supply the building blocks for your cartilage: take enough collagen, protein, vitamin C. Also you may consider some sulfur-containing amino acids and compounds like NAC and MSM.Bingo!
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It makes sense to try Cartalax by itself, this tripeptide is a potent bioregulator that triggers cartilage regeneration. Effectiveness of peptides is not measured in the number of amino acids in them, if there is any correlation here, it is: the smaller is a peptide, the more global systemic effect it may have.
But it would make sense to also supply the building blocks for your cartilage: take enough collagen, protein, vitamin C. Also you may consider some sulfur-containing amino acids and compounds like NAC and MSM.@vpeptides I agree! And if you are using collagen (which you should be for the described purpose) you should at least do stretching. Assuming you may not be able with an injury to do even light cardio or exercise, collagen will work better (according to Dr. Elizabeth Yurth (health and peptide OG) if you at least stretch.
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In truth, someone is going to have to do a lot more than stretch, although stretching is good. If you're over 50, balance issues will be the overwhelming problem. I work in Sr. Living Community with Skilled Nursing and Rehab attached and well over 50% of people in SNF/Rehab are there because they fell and fractured/broke a bone, or more than one bone.
Go ahead and stretch, then, add onto that by finding a long walkway of ground and walk backward 5 to 10 mins a day. Body straight, shoulders down and back some, chin perpendicular to the ground, toe/ball of foot to heal. The surface needs to be safe because turning your head to look in back of you ruins the balance move. (I sweep my apt breezeway 1st) You'd be surprised at the difference in the muscles you use. Any lady who's danced two-step for extended amount of time will tell you... Ouch!
I'm serious when I say it, falls are your #1 risk. 2 people who were in SNF for months died this past week; they initially fell and broke a hip and a leg and because of their age, it just didn't heal right and got infected, despite the strong abx they were given.
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@brandenscheidecker
Branden,
Would you mind sharing the protocol for your research?
I am about to bump from BPC+TB to everything you list (minus the KPV at the moment).
Did you inject a single site or both knee and shoulder (different days? half doses?)?
Thanks@pmcelveen I bought 2/30mg bottles of cartalax from peptide crafters, it was on sale very prompt delivery I should have bought more for a longer run with it,
I ran 1mg daily for my first week then cranked it up to 2mg until I used it all, now im scrambling to order more!
I also ran the following
1mg KPV
1mg BPC 157
1mg TB 500
2mg of GHKCU
all pinned individually in different locations daily I did not pin in the knee, I did pin in both legs and stomach.
there is a forum thread about this that motivated me to try it. I also pinned at night about an hour before bed.I have noticed a significant improvement in my knees. I had a previous knee injury about 10 years ago, it still hurt going up and down
Stairs after running this I still have a creeky knee that makes noise but the pain is gone! -
I’m excited to try Cartalax. I too will run it with ghkcu, Kpv, tb4, bpc157. Has anyone tried stacking sigumir with it? (Oral bioregulator). I wonder if there would be any added benefit to that cherry on top?
@MacLeeezy There might be an overlap of Sigumir with Cartalax as Cartalax is the main identified peptide in SIgumir. Start with just Cartalax, add Sigumir in 1-2 months as mainetnance. btw, BLL sells at 40% discount their 40mg capsules of their Sigumir variant now.
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I also bought 2 more 30mg Cartalax from Pep Crafters. Thus far, it's working well with the night time regimen.
The one thing I feel I will discontinue on a permanent basis is all of the copper peptides, EXCEPT for using it topically; it's a great topical addition for skin. I've had enough organic chemistry to know that the copper is going to cleave eventually and having an immune problem, I do not need copper overload. Yes, I know to take zinc but that's not going to be enough to prevent it, or to even counteract it. Copper is very strong.
Wishing the very best to all of us struggling to get it right.
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@MacLeeezy There's also oral Cartalax, but it's a lot more expensive. 1 pill has 100 mcg and you take 2-9 pills a day. Oral peptides are also dependent on LAT and PEPT transporters, they need to be not satiated with food, so orals must be taken at least 2 hours after meal and also at least 30 minutes before next meal.
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I also bought 2 more 30mg Cartalax from Pep Crafters. Thus far, it's working well with the night time regimen.
The one thing I feel I will discontinue on a permanent basis is all of the copper peptides, EXCEPT for using it topically; it's a great topical addition for skin. I've had enough organic chemistry to know that the copper is going to cleave eventually and having an immune problem, I do not need copper overload. Yes, I know to take zinc but that's not going to be enough to prevent it, or to even counteract it. Copper is very strong.
Wishing the very best to all of us struggling to get it right.
@Eleanor In GHK-Cu, copper makes up 15% of the molecule's mass. If you take 2mg GHK-Cu daily, you get 0.3 mg of copper. RDA of copper is 0.9 mg. Some people take 2-3mg daily with their multivitamins. Just saying, but you may be extra sensitive or already having copper overload. Base GHK works as well as GHK-Cu, it binds with Cu in your body.
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