Going for Cartalax Over Wolverine First & Will See If Problems Resolve
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I would add tb 500/ bpc 157 before cartalx
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I disagree, there is more to a knee/joint than just cartilage, there are tendons, ligaments, lots of flesshy parts in there. lack of cartilage causes pain and pain=inflammation, attack the problem and everything around it.
tb-500, bpc 157, KPV, GHK Cu, Cartalax
started my rat on this for knee pain, and an old rotator cuff injury about a month ago. could not walk down stairs without pain, could not bench press without pain, now my rat has no pain issues on the stairs, am bench pressing without pain.@brandenscheidecker
Branden,
Would you mind sharing the protocol for your research?
I am about to bump from BPC+TB to everything you list (minus the KPV at the moment).
Did you inject a single site or both knee and shoulder (different days? half doses?)?
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It makes sense to try Cartalax by itself, this tripeptide is a potent bioregulator that triggers cartilage regeneration. Effectiveness of peptides is not measured in the number of amino acids in them, if there is any correlation here, it is: the smaller is a peptide, the more global systemic effect it may have.
But it would make sense to also supply the building blocks for your cartilage: take enough collagen, protein, vitamin C. Also you may consider some sulfur-containing amino acids and compounds like NAC and MSM.@vpeptides said:
It makes sense to try Cartalax by itself, this tripeptide is a potent bioregulator that triggers cartilage regeneration. Effectiveness of peptides is not measured in the number of amino acids in them, if there is any correlation here, it is: the smaller is a peptide, the more global systemic effect it may have.
But it would make sense to also supply the building blocks for your cartilage: take enough collagen, protein, vitamin C. Also you may consider some sulfur-containing amino acids and compounds like NAC and MSM.Bingo!
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It makes sense to try Cartalax by itself, this tripeptide is a potent bioregulator that triggers cartilage regeneration. Effectiveness of peptides is not measured in the number of amino acids in them, if there is any correlation here, it is: the smaller is a peptide, the more global systemic effect it may have.
But it would make sense to also supply the building blocks for your cartilage: take enough collagen, protein, vitamin C. Also you may consider some sulfur-containing amino acids and compounds like NAC and MSM.@vpeptides I agree! And if you are using collagen (which you should be for the described purpose) you should at least do stretching. Assuming you may not be able with an injury to do even light cardio or exercise, collagen will work better (according to Dr. Elizabeth Yurth (health and peptide OG) if you at least stretch.
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In truth, someone is going to have to do a lot more than stretch, although stretching is good. If you're over 50, balance issues will be the overwhelming problem. I work in Sr. Living Community with Skilled Nursing and Rehab attached and well over 50% of people in SNF/Rehab are there because they fell and fractured/broke a bone, or more than one bone.
Go ahead and stretch, then, add onto that by finding a long walkway of ground and walk backward 5 to 10 mins a day. Body straight, shoulders down and back some, chin perpendicular to the ground, toe/ball of foot to heal. The surface needs to be safe because turning your head to look in back of you ruins the balance move. (I sweep my apt breezeway 1st) You'd be surprised at the difference in the muscles you use. Any lady who's danced two-step for extended amount of time will tell you... Ouch!
I'm serious when I say it, falls are your #1 risk. 2 people who were in SNF for months died this past week; they initially fell and broke a hip and a leg and because of their age, it just didn't heal right and got infected, despite the strong abx they were given.
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@brandenscheidecker
Branden,
Would you mind sharing the protocol for your research?
I am about to bump from BPC+TB to everything you list (minus the KPV at the moment).
Did you inject a single site or both knee and shoulder (different days? half doses?)?
Thanks@pmcelveen I bought 2/30mg bottles of cartalax from peptide crafters, it was on sale very prompt delivery I should have bought more for a longer run with it,
I ran 1mg daily for my first week then cranked it up to 2mg until I used it all, now im scrambling to order more!
I also ran the following
1mg KPV
1mg BPC 157
1mg TB 500
2mg of GHKCU
all pinned individually in different locations daily I did not pin in the knee, I did pin in both legs and stomach.
there is a forum thread about this that motivated me to try it. I also pinned at night about an hour before bed.I have noticed a significant improvement in my knees. I had a previous knee injury about 10 years ago, it still hurt going up and down
Stairs after running this I still have a creeky knee that makes noise but the pain is gone! -
I’m excited to try Cartalax. I too will run it with ghkcu, Kpv, tb4, bpc157. Has anyone tried stacking sigumir with it? (Oral bioregulator). I wonder if there would be any added benefit to that cherry on top?
@MacLeeezy There might be an overlap of Sigumir with Cartalax as Cartalax is the main identified peptide in SIgumir. Start with just Cartalax, add Sigumir in 1-2 months as mainetnance. btw, BLL sells at 40% discount their 40mg capsules of their Sigumir variant now.
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I also bought 2 more 30mg Cartalax from Pep Crafters. Thus far, it's working well with the night time regimen.
The one thing I feel I will discontinue on a permanent basis is all of the copper peptides, EXCEPT for using it topically; it's a great topical addition for skin. I've had enough organic chemistry to know that the copper is going to cleave eventually and having an immune problem, I do not need copper overload. Yes, I know to take zinc but that's not going to be enough to prevent it, or to even counteract it. Copper is very strong.
Wishing the very best to all of us struggling to get it right.
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@MacLeeezy There's also oral Cartalax, but it's a lot more expensive. 1 pill has 100 mcg and you take 2-9 pills a day. Oral peptides are also dependent on LAT and PEPT transporters, they need to be not satiated with food, so orals must be taken at least 2 hours after meal and also at least 30 minutes before next meal.
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I also bought 2 more 30mg Cartalax from Pep Crafters. Thus far, it's working well with the night time regimen.
The one thing I feel I will discontinue on a permanent basis is all of the copper peptides, EXCEPT for using it topically; it's a great topical addition for skin. I've had enough organic chemistry to know that the copper is going to cleave eventually and having an immune problem, I do not need copper overload. Yes, I know to take zinc but that's not going to be enough to prevent it, or to even counteract it. Copper is very strong.
Wishing the very best to all of us struggling to get it right.
@Eleanor In GHK-Cu, copper makes up 15% of the molecule's mass. If you take 2mg GHK-Cu daily, you get 0.3 mg of copper. RDA of copper is 0.9 mg. Some people take 2-3mg daily with their multivitamins. Just saying, but you may be extra sensitive or already having copper overload. Base GHK works as well as GHK-Cu, it binds with Cu in your body.
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@Eleanor In GHK-Cu, copper makes up 15% of the molecule's mass. If you take 2mg GHK-Cu daily, you get 0.3 mg of copper. RDA of copper is 0.9 mg. Some people take 2-3mg daily with their multivitamins. Just saying, but you may be extra sensitive or already having copper overload. Base GHK works as well as GHK-Cu, it binds with Cu in your body.
@vpeptides
The GHK by itself angle is a thought and I will consider it. My question is, at what point does the copper cleave from the GHK, because I feel sure that it does. As far as I know, I do not have copper overload and don't want to encourage it. I don't take a multivitamin; I grow some of my own food and eat well.. I do take methylated B's and Vit C, plus Re-Mag; it took me years to get this combo correct and if it works, I don't change it.
I'm not sure why I would even be working GHK; there doesn't seem to be a difference in the months I've been taking it. I don't think I need the compound other than topically, IMO.
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@pmcelveen I bought 2/30mg bottles of cartalax from peptide crafters, it was on sale very prompt delivery I should have bought more for a longer run with it,
I ran 1mg daily for my first week then cranked it up to 2mg until I used it all, now im scrambling to order more!
I also ran the following
1mg KPV
1mg BPC 157
1mg TB 500
2mg of GHKCU
all pinned individually in different locations daily I did not pin in the knee, I did pin in both legs and stomach.
there is a forum thread about this that motivated me to try it. I also pinned at night about an hour before bed.I have noticed a significant improvement in my knees. I had a previous knee injury about 10 years ago, it still hurt going up and down
Stairs after running this I still have a creeky knee that makes noise but the pain is gone!@brandenscheidecker
Thanks for those details!
When you say you pinned different locations - were those approximate to injury sites or abdomen, hips, etc just to alleviate bruising.
I am trying to address issues primarily on the left side of the subject rabbit. Shoulder, elbow, hip, knee and heel.
So to detail the question more thoroughly, should did you pin each peptide in a different location "on Monday" (cartalax - shoulder, kpv - elbow, bpc - hip, tb - knee, ghk - heel), or did you do all peptides in shoulder on Monday, elbow on Tuesday, hip on Wednesday, etc.).
Gotta Love this forum with all of the willing help and experience being shared.I just started doing daily TB-500 along with the BPC, both in the elbow (rotating sights near the elbow joint) two days ago. Was doing the TB on Sun and Wed.
This morning the elbow seems to be more functional than it has been even after strenuous activity yesterday.Should receive the Cartalax and GHK-Cu tomorrow and be able to start on Wed.
Thank you again!
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The only pep I can comment on is Cartalax. I have a bad left knee and left hip. Dealing with my knee first, I hit on the left side of left leg about mid-thigh level and let gravity work for me and I do this at night before bed so knee isn't sore in the AM, and it works. The hip has significant scar tissue so can't be sure how well the pep is penetrating but seems a little better. I do have a right shoulder problem but haven't started to work on that yet; I'll probably pin back of the arm as far up as I can get and still hit a good portion of fat.
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5 pins, grouped together, right thigh, left thigh, left abdomen, right abdomen, just rotated them. these pin are sub q and absorbed by the body. no need to inject into your knee or joint directly, My Rat is currently trying KLOW to minimize pins, on 2nd week but going to increase as I do not feel a difference with it as I did when pin individually. hopefully this will make a difference using a bottle a week. going to try this for a month.
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@MacLeeezy There's also oral Cartalax, but it's a lot more expensive. 1 pill has 100 mcg and you take 2-9 pills a day. Oral peptides are also dependent on LAT and PEPT transporters, they need to be not satiated with food, so orals must be taken at least 2 hours after meal and also at least 30 minutes before next meal.
@vpeptides thanks. I’m on day 3 of subq, and wow the placebo effect is strong in this one. I’ve had 3 knee surgeries on my left knee in the last 12 months (2 of them were more on the major side) to salvage a bad knee. Among other things it included an ACL replacement, MACi cartilage replacements in two spots, and a donor maniscus transplant. So I’m working real hard to rehab and get back to sports etc. it had been hurting pretty substantially last week. 3 days into the protocol, cartalax taken right before bed every night, plus bpc157 in the morning and KLOW in the evening and I’d say pain is down 60+ %. So effective this far in such a short duration that I’m convinced it’s just placebo at this point. But I’ll gladly take placebo if I think I feel better lol
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@vpeptides thanks. I’m on day 3 of subq, and wow the placebo effect is strong in this one. I’ve had 3 knee surgeries on my left knee in the last 12 months (2 of them were more on the major side) to salvage a bad knee. Among other things it included an ACL replacement, MACi cartilage replacements in two spots, and a donor maniscus transplant. So I’m working real hard to rehab and get back to sports etc. it had been hurting pretty substantially last week. 3 days into the protocol, cartalax taken right before bed every night, plus bpc157 in the morning and KLOW in the evening and I’d say pain is down 60+ %. So effective this far in such a short duration that I’m convinced it’s just placebo at this point. But I’ll gladly take placebo if I think I feel better lol
@MacLeeezy I'm fairly resistant to placebo effect but can tell you it's worked on my knee, which is not nearly as bad as yours. What I can't get through is the scar tissue on the side of my left hip, which has severe injury.
I wish you many placebos to come, and even more, the real thing!
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