147lbs @ 8-10% BF – Worth Adding Tesamorelin for the Final Push?
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I’m debating whether to also add Tesamorelin for the final 4–6 weeks. It’s more expensive, but it specifically targets visceral fat.
It doesn't do that any better or more specific than CJC-1295. In fact, CJC-1295 + Ipamorelin is much more effective than standalone Tesamorelin.
You don't want to run multiple GHRH analogs. I like Tesamorelin, but for me it's just to mix it up and cycle in new things in an effort to prevent antibody formation. I also take time off GHRH analogs completely.
@Neil-McCauley I see, thanks for the input. I’m currently on a 4-week break from GH peptides until I start the final cut phase.
I’ve seen Dr. Mike Jones’ video on YouTube where he mentioned that Tesamorelin can be stacked with Ipamorelin + CJC-1295, even though they work on some of the same pathways. From what I understood, Tesamorelin is more targeted toward visceral fat compared to Ipa/CJC. That’s mainly why I was considering adding it for the final 4–6 weeks. -
I'm not smart enough to tell you if you should or not do. But I'm curious also to see what is said. I'm wondering a couple of things though.
How do you take the methylene blue? My wife has it, in a pill form but it also has NAD+ added. I'm already pinning that and don't want that extra.
Also, if I may ask, how tall are you? I ask because your weight drop sounds much like mine. In March I was 177lbs and I am now 154 thanks to reta. Naturally I keep hearing that I shouldn't lose anymore but I still want to lean out a little more. I am 5'8" and have never been a big guy. I just want to see if I can get more ab definition. I've also been pinning CJC-1295 no dac + Ipamorelin to also help with the muscle retention. It's been working really well for me. So could this be something I could do as a final push,
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@Neil-McCauley I see, thanks for the input. I’m currently on a 4-week break from GH peptides until I start the final cut phase.
I’ve seen Dr. Mike Jones’ video on YouTube where he mentioned that Tesamorelin can be stacked with Ipamorelin + CJC-1295, even though they work on some of the same pathways. From what I understood, Tesamorelin is more targeted toward visceral fat compared to Ipa/CJC. That’s mainly why I was considering adding it for the final 4–6 weeks.@Neil-McCauley I see, thanks for the input. I’m currently on a 4-week break from GH peptides until I start the final cut phase.
I’ve seen Dr. Mike Jones’ video on YouTube where he mentioned that Tesamorelin can be stacked with Ipamorelin + CJC-1295, even though they work on some of the same pathways. From what I understood, Tesamorelin is more targeted toward visceral fat compared to Ipa/CJC. That’s mainly why I was considering adding it for the final 4–6 weeks.I would definitely stack Tesamorelin with Ipamorelin. In fact all of my GHRH analogs I run are always stacked with Ipamorelin nowadays. Long gone are the GHRP-6 days, thankfully, they served their purpose but man the hunger pangs were intense. They certainly develop self discipline into a rat that's for sure.
Tesa isn't any more effective at targeting visceral fat than CJC-1295. They are really interchangeable in this arena, and I'd recommend you try them both and see which one you like. I use them interchangeable just to mix things up. Some have issues with CJC-1295 ( bad flushing reactions) and prefer Tesamorelin. Some have bad reactions to Tesa with water retention and stiff hands and prefer CJC-1295.
Me personally I have way more experience with CJC-1295 than Tesamorelin and I haven't had a need to burn visceral fat anyway (I'm a naturally lean rat) so it's difficult to compare the two but I tend to lean towards CJC-1295 because historically I like it.
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I'm not smart enough to tell you if you should or not do. But I'm curious also to see what is said. I'm wondering a couple of things though.
How do you take the methylene blue? My wife has it, in a pill form but it also has NAD+ added. I'm already pinning that and don't want that extra.
Also, if I may ask, how tall are you? I ask because your weight drop sounds much like mine. In March I was 177lbs and I am now 154 thanks to reta. Naturally I keep hearing that I shouldn't lose anymore but I still want to lean out a little more. I am 5'8" and have never been a big guy. I just want to see if I can get more ab definition. I've also been pinning CJC-1295 no dac + Ipamorelin to also help with the muscle retention. It's been working really well for me. So could this be something I could do as a final push,
@afkar7 5'8" here as well, I didn't lose my love handles until around 153lbs, at 147 my stomach is "flat enough" & I can see more definition than ever especially in the right lighting & pump, but there's definitely a very very small lower belly pouch remaining that is still blurring the lower ab definition.
As for the methylene blue, I take 10mg loose bulk powder in my morning supplement drink. Next month I will try 7.5mg morning & 7.5mg afternoon. I have a pretty comprehensive supplement powder stack with several energizers so its hard to tell what's moving the needle on any given day. So I'm not sure if I've felt any major effect from it, but it's cheap enough to include when paid in bulk. I paid around 80$ for 50g from umbrellalabs.is, which is like over an 8 year supply at my current dosage.
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@Neil-McCauley I see, thanks for the input. I’m currently on a 4-week break from GH peptides until I start the final cut phase.
I’ve seen Dr. Mike Jones’ video on YouTube where he mentioned that Tesamorelin can be stacked with Ipamorelin + CJC-1295, even though they work on some of the same pathways. From what I understood, Tesamorelin is more targeted toward visceral fat compared to Ipa/CJC. That’s mainly why I was considering adding it for the final 4–6 weeks.I would definitely stack Tesamorelin with Ipamorelin. In fact all of my GHRH analogs I run are always stacked with Ipamorelin nowadays. Long gone are the GHRP-6 days, thankfully, they served their purpose but man the hunger pangs were intense. They certainly develop self discipline into a rat that's for sure.
Tesa isn't any more effective at targeting visceral fat than CJC-1295. They are really interchangeable in this arena, and I'd recommend you try them both and see which one you like. I use them interchangeable just to mix things up. Some have issues with CJC-1295 ( bad flushing reactions) and prefer Tesamorelin. Some have bad reactions to Tesa with water retention and stiff hands and prefer CJC-1295.
Me personally I have way more experience with CJC-1295 than Tesamorelin and I haven't had a need to burn visceral fat anyway (I'm a naturally lean rat) so it's difficult to compare the two but I tend to lean towards CJC-1295 because historically I like it.
@Neil-McCauley I see, from what I've read Tesamorelin is generally considered superior for visceral fat compared to CJC-1295. CJC-1295 can help with fat loss, but it doesn’t have the same targeted data for visceral fat reduction that Tesamorelin does. But if the visceral fat difference is truly negligible, the price difference is not.
Monthly Cost Comparison (uther prices):
CJC-1295 no DAC (100mg for $140)
Dose: 300–500 mcg per day (Mon–Fri)
Monthly cost: $8 – $14 per monthTesamorelin (200mg for $270)
Dose: 1–2 mg per day (daily)
Monthly cost: $40 – $81 per monthMind sharing which dosing protocols you've tried with tesa?
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@Neil-McCauley I see, from what I've read Tesamorelin is generally considered superior for visceral fat compared to CJC-1295. CJC-1295 can help with fat loss, but it doesn’t have the same targeted data for visceral fat reduction that Tesamorelin does. But if the visceral fat difference is truly negligible, the price difference is not.
Monthly Cost Comparison (uther prices):
CJC-1295 no DAC (100mg for $140)
Dose: 300–500 mcg per day (Mon–Fri)
Monthly cost: $8 – $14 per monthTesamorelin (200mg for $270)
Dose: 1–2 mg per day (daily)
Monthly cost: $40 – $81 per monthMind sharing which dosing protocols you've tried with tesa?
@Neil-McCauley I see, from what I've read Tesamorelin is generally considered superior for visceral fat compared to CJC-1295. CJC-1295 can help with fat loss, but it doesn’t have the same targeted data for visceral fat reduction that Tesamorelin does. But if the visceral fat difference is truly negligible, the price difference is not.
Monthly Cost Comparison (uther prices):
CJC-1295 no DAC (100mg for $140)
Dose: 300–500 mcg per day (Mon–Fri)
Monthly cost: $8 – $14 per monthTesamorelin (200mg for $270)
Dose: 1–2 mg per day (daily)
Monthly cost: $40 – $81 per monthMind sharing which dosing protocols you've tried with tesa?
The same reason why Tesa burns visceral fat is the same reason why CJC does - GHRH --> GH --> IGF-1
The reason why Tesa is a thing is entirely because it was modified slightly so they could patent and sell it for profit, as they couldn't do that with CJC-1295
There is nothing special or unique about Tesamorelin that makes it more effective than CJC-1295 at burning visceral fat. That is just a talking point that's been spread around online that is very surface level - but once you dig into the research and study the mechanisms behind how the compounds work, you'll see they work on almost an identical level.
I research Tesa at 1mg with Ipamorelin at 150mcg, once per day in the morning fasted first thing a.m. I usually run that for 40 days straight then take 10 days off. Or I will run CJC-1295 with Ipamorelin 150/150 for 33 days, Tesa/Ipa 1mg/150mcg for 10 days, then 10 days off, repeat.
My stack right now is CJC/IPA 150/150 for 33 days, followed by Ipa solo 150 for 13 days, then 10 days off.
One caveat I need to mention - I ALWAYS, without exception, use Ipamorelin or some kind of GHRP with my GHRH. Always, no exceptions, and you should too. It makes it WAY more effective.
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@Neil-McCauley I see, from what I've read Tesamorelin is generally considered superior for visceral fat compared to CJC-1295. CJC-1295 can help with fat loss, but it doesn’t have the same targeted data for visceral fat reduction that Tesamorelin does. But if the visceral fat difference is truly negligible, the price difference is not.
Monthly Cost Comparison (uther prices):
CJC-1295 no DAC (100mg for $140)
Dose: 300–500 mcg per day (Mon–Fri)
Monthly cost: $8 – $14 per monthTesamorelin (200mg for $270)
Dose: 1–2 mg per day (daily)
Monthly cost: $40 – $81 per monthMind sharing which dosing protocols you've tried with tesa?
The same reason why Tesa burns visceral fat is the same reason why CJC does - GHRH --> GH --> IGF-1
The reason why Tesa is a thing is entirely because it was modified slightly so they could patent and sell it for profit, as they couldn't do that with CJC-1295
There is nothing special or unique about Tesamorelin that makes it more effective than CJC-1295 at burning visceral fat. That is just a talking point that's been spread around online that is very surface level - but once you dig into the research and study the mechanisms behind how the compounds work, you'll see they work on almost an identical level.
I research Tesa at 1mg with Ipamorelin at 150mcg, once per day in the morning fasted first thing a.m. I usually run that for 40 days straight then take 10 days off. Or I will run CJC-1295 with Ipamorelin 150/150 for 33 days, Tesa/Ipa 1mg/150mcg for 10 days, then 10 days off, repeat.
My stack right now is CJC/IPA 150/150 for 33 days, followed by Ipa solo 150 for 13 days, then 10 days off.
One caveat I need to mention - I ALWAYS, without exception, use Ipamorelin or some kind of GHRP with my GHRH. Always, no exceptions, and you should too. It makes it WAY more effective.
@Neil-McCauley I agree with your thoughts on Tesa vs CJC. I also think Ipa is an always. I am curious about the solo Ipa for 13 days before a break. Haven't come across that one before. What's the theory on benefit?
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@Neil-McCauley I agree with your thoughts on Tesa vs CJC. I also think Ipa is an always. I am curious about the solo Ipa for 13 days before a break. Haven't come across that one before. What's the theory on benefit?
@Neil-McCauley I agree with your thoughts on Tesa vs CJC. I also think Ipa is an always. I am curious about the solo Ipa for 13 days before a break. Haven't come across that one before. What's the theory on benefit?
No particular benefit - I have a stockpile of 2mg vials of Ipamorelin that I need to churn through. Picked up a handful of kits on a good deal awhile ago. 150mcg once per day for a 2mg vial lasts about 13 days. I've got a policy that nothing that isn't expired goes to waste, so I'll find a way to work it in. It's just my way of fitting them into my cycle.
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@Neil-McCauley I agree with your thoughts on Tesa vs CJC. I also think Ipa is an always. I am curious about the solo Ipa for 13 days before a break. Haven't come across that one before. What's the theory on benefit?
No particular benefit - I have a stockpile of 2mg vials of Ipamorelin that I need to churn through. Picked up a handful of kits on a good deal awhile ago. 150mcg once per day for a 2mg vial lasts about 13 days. I've got a policy that nothing that isn't expired goes to waste, so I'll find a way to work it in. It's just my way of fitting them into my cycle.
@Neil-McCauley Got it. Let 'er rip!
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