Lambda Water LLC - Reconstitution Solution
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I used cheap Amazon toilet water when I got started and didn’t have any obvious issues aside from maybe more sting than might be normal. Now I only use Hospira and I have fewer ISR’s. But I also use shorter needles and my overall process is probably better. It’s likely that within a limited range, using these is ‘safe’-ish. The question is whether you want to risk it over a few bucks.
Humans tend to be lousy at risk assessment and valuation. Hence spending thousands on peptides and cheaping out on bac water or perhaps over - or underestimating the risk of using random stuff you found on the internet.
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I took a chance and bought a 6 pack from their website before I knew where to find Hospira at a "reasonable" price. Found similar information to what WiseGal64 is stating. So far, no issues but i have only used some of 1 vial for about 3 weeks. I can find Hospira now but find at the rate I use BAC, I may end up wasting them. I would prefer not to waste the Lambda as long as there are no issues. If I do end up throwing them out, it's not a big investment lost. If I had to do it all over again, I would just get the Hospira for peace of mind and be done.
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BoxerLover posted here recently this study, where "Lambda Water passed %BA, pH, and sterility, but failed endotoxin testing (0.765 EU/mL, > USP ≤0.25 EU/mL)".
attentiion is all you need
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Indeed. Possibly the reason their COA on their website is a year old.
EDIT: Looked at their COA again and it's only for alcohol content and pH balance.
https://www.lambdawater.com/cdn/shop/t/72/assets/coa.pdf?v=134269366885211625841780244928 -
I know Hospira is the gold standard and have since purchased some for future research (some that I already received and some that I’m STILL waiting on from Consumers Choice 2+ months later
). With that said, I began researching with Lambda back in January when I started this journey and have gone through six 30ml vials during this time. Never had an issue of any kind. No abnormal ISR, no gelling with Tesa or ARA, etc. Just my 2 cents as well. -
I know Hospira is the gold standard and have since purchased some for future research (some that I already received and some that I’m STILL waiting on from Consumers Choice 2+ months later
). With that said, I began researching with Lambda back in January when I started this journey and have gone through six 30ml vials during this time. Never had an issue of any kind. No abnormal ISR, no gelling with Tesa or ARA, etc. Just my 2 cents as well. -
BoxerLover posted here recently this study, where "Lambda Water passed %BA, pH, and sterility, but failed endotoxin testing (0.765 EU/mL, > USP ≤0.25 EU/mL)".
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BoxerLover posted here recently this study, where "Lambda Water passed %BA, pH, and sterility, but failed endotoxin testing (0.765 EU/mL, > USP ≤0.25 EU/mL)".
@vpeptides said:
BoxerLover posted here recently this study, where "Lambda Water passed %BA, pH, and sterility, but failed endotoxin testing (0.765 EU/mL, > USP ≤0.25 EU/mL)".
Yup and many others will fail too because Lambda and most of these RUO grade BAC waters use Deionized water as the base instead of sterile water. Sterile water is one step after deionization to remove endotoxins. The USP 0.25 limit mentioned is the true !nj3ction grade sterile water test.
However, most people don't notice any ISRs even with these deionized water based BAC because subq administration is a lot more forgiving to water contaminants than IV or spinal applications.
If someone uses these for IV it could be disastrous.
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BoxerLover posted here recently this study, where "Lambda Water passed %BA, pH, and sterility, but failed endotoxin testing (0.765 EU/mL, > USP ≤0.25 EU/mL)".
@vpeptides I will add that given that they are not even using sterile water as base and just using deionized water which is available dirt cheap in gallons on Amazon the price they charge is atrocious. They should be selling these bottles for $2.
Imagine their profits.
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BoxerLover posted here recently this study, where "Lambda Water passed %BA, pH, and sterility, but failed endotoxin testing (0.765 EU/mL, > USP ≤0.25 EU/mL)".
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@vpeptides said:
BoxerLover posted here recently this study, where "Lambda Water passed %BA, pH, and sterility, but failed endotoxin testing (0.765 EU/mL, > USP ≤0.25 EU/mL)".
Yup and many others will fail too because Lambda and most of these RUO grade BAC waters use Deionized water as the base instead of sterile water. Sterile water is one step after deionization to remove endotoxins. The USP 0.25 limit mentioned is the true !nj3ction grade sterile water test.
However, most people don't notice any ISRs even with these deionized water based BAC because subq administration is a lot more forgiving to water contaminants than IV or spinal applications.
If someone uses these for IV it could be disastrous.
@pep_researcher I bought a 3-pack recently to do a test.
Their website says "sterile water", when the bottles showed up it is labeled as "Deionozed", so I emailed them.
Now, point of clarification; deionized water is just that, ran through a bed of resin to exchange ions to make it DE-ionized. Its meant to remove certain constituents and make the water close to inert conductively. You can make sterile water from deionozed water... by treatment to kill pathogens from a chemical, thermal, UV, filtration, or even gamma/E-beam technology.
Anyways, I emailed them and decided I would post their reply here.
As a matter of interest, I also learned that Lambda IS Peptide Crafters, as noted ont heir COA's. I didnt realize that before. Im sure most of you know this already, but I bring it up because the test that wa slinked earlier in this chat show both brands being tested, but with different results. This, along with the Hospira failure (although passing on its replicant test) tells me their testing method was not very sound.
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IMG_3269.jpgAlso found this blurb about the stated "1.3 uS/cm" requirement. This indicates the industry standard for "UltraPure Water" (UPW). Info below.
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I had no idea lambda is peptide crafters!
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@pep_researcher I bought a 3-pack recently to do a test.
Their website says "sterile water", when the bottles showed up it is labeled as "Deionozed", so I emailed them.
Now, point of clarification; deionized water is just that, ran through a bed of resin to exchange ions to make it DE-ionized. Its meant to remove certain constituents and make the water close to inert conductively. You can make sterile water from deionozed water... by treatment to kill pathogens from a chemical, thermal, UV, filtration, or even gamma/E-beam technology.
Anyways, I emailed them and decided I would post their reply here.
As a matter of interest, I also learned that Lambda IS Peptide Crafters, as noted ont heir COA's. I didnt realize that before. Im sure most of you know this already, but I bring it up because the test that wa slinked earlier in this chat show both brands being tested, but with different results. This, along with the Hospira failure (although passing on its replicant test) tells me their testing method was not very sound.
IMG_3266.jpeg
IMG_3269.jpgAlso found this blurb about the stated "1.3 uS/cm" requirement. This indicates the industry standard for "UltraPure Water" (UPW). Info below.
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I had no idea lambda is peptide crafters!
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So the test people like to show of various Amazon BAC, where Lambda and Biovitalis passed and most others failed, was a test run by Peptide Crafters who is also Lambda? That's kind of disappointing.
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@JtCjEfF I would ask for the test that shows those specifications since they said let me know if they can answer anything else. I do like how responsive they were.
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