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  • P PeptideEd

    @valgal Any opinions on LANAP (Laser-Assisted New Attachment Procedure) for bone restoration?

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    @PeptideEd If my memory serves correctly, that help remove any necrotic tissue and sterilize the pocket. following upwith ozone will also help heal the pocket. But i dont believe it will grow bone. I've seen okay results with LANAP with without it cause more recession. When I was training with LANAP I thought well this is gonna cause the gums to recede. But the few causes I saw, no additional recession.

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      I really do need a water pic but water spray hurts my teeth. Any suggestions? Currently use electric toothbrush.

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        I really do need a water pic but water spray hurts my teeth. Any suggestions? Currently use electric toothbrush.

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        @Eleanor if its sensitivity issues I found warm water makes a huge difference for me. Cold water hurts.

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          @Eleanor if its sensitivity issues I found warm water makes a huge difference for me. Cold water hurts.

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          @BeeKind Thanks very much. I will give it another try. I have to do something different; just not cutting it with what I'm doing now.

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            Depends on how severely your gum health has degraded. In early stage gum disease, LL-37 is a helpful peptide that naturally combats peridontitis. It directly disrupts bacteria & toxins, and dental plaque biofilms. It is also immunomodulatory and has tissue regernerating properties. BUT, in advanced gum disease, bacterial DNA can bind with LL-37, which can render the peptide inactive and actually trigger more bacteria & chronic inflammation. This is because as the dental plaque bacteria die off, they release extracellular DNA. This DNA binds tightly to LL-37, forming a stable complex which can act as a matrix for more bacterial accumulation and trigger chronic inflammatory responses in the gums. So if you have severe issues, you are probably better off with clinical treatment first like localized slow release antibiotics.

            From a personal study, one of my subjects recently had full mouth dental implants which required removing all teeth, removing some bone and then placing 12 implants into the bone. A temporary dental prosthesis was attached to the implants the day of the surgery. Normally this temporary prosthesis would be worn for 8-12 weeks while the gum tissues healed. At my subjects 2 week follow-up, the surgeon was amazed because the gum tissues had already completely closed up and healed. My subject was on a regimen of KLOW, LL-37, cartalax and epitalon.

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              Depends on how severely your gum health has degraded. In early stage gum disease, LL-37 is a helpful peptide that naturally combats peridontitis. It directly disrupts bacteria & toxins, and dental plaque biofilms. It is also immunomodulatory and has tissue regernerating properties. BUT, in advanced gum disease, bacterial DNA can bind with LL-37, which can render the peptide inactive and actually trigger more bacteria & chronic inflammation. This is because as the dental plaque bacteria die off, they release extracellular DNA. This DNA binds tightly to LL-37, forming a stable complex which can act as a matrix for more bacterial accumulation and trigger chronic inflammatory responses in the gums. So if you have severe issues, you are probably better off with clinical treatment first like localized slow release antibiotics.

              From a personal study, one of my subjects recently had full mouth dental implants which required removing all teeth, removing some bone and then placing 12 implants into the bone. A temporary dental prosthesis was attached to the implants the day of the surgery. Normally this temporary prosthesis would be worn for 8-12 weeks while the gum tissues healed. At my subjects 2 week follow-up, the surgeon was amazed because the gum tissues had already completely closed up and healed. My subject was on a regimen of KLOW, LL-37, cartalax and epitalon.

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              @brithus I haven't heard of LL-37 before. I'll have to look into this. Thank you for the information.

              Just someone with a fridge full of research and a browser history that would concern my doctor.

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                @brithus Thanks for that. I am probably going to get the gum graft at some point and was thinking KLOW during recovery would be helpful. Not loving the idea of 2-4 weeks of pudding and no exercise though.

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                • B BeeKind

                  Has anyone researched and found a possible solution for gum health, specifically receding gums?

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                  @BeeKind Carnivore diet is the only thing I've heard of as it relates to gums and this had to do with deeper gum pockets, not receding gum lines.

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                    @BeeKind Carnivore diet is the only thing I've heard of as it relates to gums and this had to do with deeper gum pockets, not receding gum lines.

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                    @gym.rat can you explain what the carnivore diet does to help deep pockets?

                    Just someone with a fridge full of research and a browser history that would concern my doctor.

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                      @gym.rat can you explain what the carnivore diet does to help deep pockets?

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                      @BeeKind It has to do with inflammation. I had a random 7mm pocket years ago and had to have a minor oral surgery because of it. I think it was Dr. Drew that mentioned on his radio show that his pockets had returned to 1, 2, 3s after doing carnivore and so I tried the same diet and had the same results. I don't think the gums grow back per se, but it definitely reduces those gum pockets which is effectively periodontal disease. I still fluctuate between carnivore and keto, but my pockets are all normal and healthy and I'm 46 now.

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