Peptides I can no longer take
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I recently found out that I have a benign C4 peripheral nerve sheath tumor in my right neck called a Schwannoma. It's an extremely slow growing type of tumor that I've had for over 20 years. Due to its size and location, the doctors have decided to just monitor it rather than a risky surgery to remove it. I mentioned to my Neurologist about the peptides I'm wanting to take to help with my body recomposition, and he said specifically to stay away from these:
Sermorelin, Hexarelin, CJC-1295, Ipamorelin, Tesamorelin, MK-677, BPC-157, TB-500 (TB4), NAD+ and GHK-Cu.Now I have to figure out what to do with all the supply I have in my chest freezer. Needless to say, I'm pretty bummed out about this.
@mrjoshua44
Oh hell, mrjoshua, I'm sorry. I can understand why your doc is worried about anything ending in 'morelin'. I have 2 small vials of Tesa that I will never use.Not sure why the NAD+ though. If it's buffered, I'll buy it from you. Let me know.
Bless you and I hope all your treatment(s) for it are successful.
Eleanor
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@mrjoshua44
Oh hell, mrjoshua, I'm sorry. I can understand why your doc is worried about anything ending in 'morelin'. I have 2 small vials of Tesa that I will never use.Not sure why the NAD+ though. If it's buffered, I'll buy it from you. Let me know.
Bless you and I hope all your treatment(s) for it are successful.
Eleanor
@Eleanor He needs to stay away from NAD+ because cancer cells may also benefit from increased NAD+ in your system. Every pep he listed I would agree with except GHK-Cu. There is some new stuff coming out from an American research group back east and the thought now is that BPC-157 is actually anti-tumor, but we just don't have enough data to verify that yet. Anyway that is something this group is working on. The GH secretagogues is a hard pass with active tumors.
Nobody should be touching MK-677 anyway. It's an older sloppy peptide.
Back to GHK-Cu...Doc is being cautious and we know why, but based on the data I've sorted through I actually think you're good here. Doc is playing the theoretical angle even though the data we have does NOT support the angiogenesis thought. GHK-Cu modulates genes in ways that often suppress cancer pathways. It up-regulates DNA repair, apoptosis and anti-inflammatory genes while down-regulating many associated with tumor progression. In cell studies (breast and prostate cancer lines) and animal models (sarcoma, ascites tumors), it has shown tumor growth inhibition, especially when combined with vitamin C or ascorbic acid.
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@Eleanor He needs to stay away from NAD+ because cancer cells may also benefit from increased NAD+ in your system. Every pep he listed I would agree with except GHK-Cu. There is some new stuff coming out from an American research group back east and the thought now is that BPC-157 is actually anti-tumor, but we just don't have enough data to verify that yet. Anyway that is something this group is working on. The GH secretagogues is a hard pass with active tumors.
Nobody should be touching MK-677 anyway. It's an older sloppy peptide.
Back to GHK-Cu...Doc is being cautious and we know why, but based on the data I've sorted through I actually think you're good here. Doc is playing the theoretical angle even though the data we have does NOT support the angiogenesis thought. GHK-Cu modulates genes in ways that often suppress cancer pathways. It up-regulates DNA repair, apoptosis and anti-inflammatory genes while down-regulating many associated with tumor progression. In cell studies (breast and prostate cancer lines) and animal models (sarcoma, ascites tumors), it has shown tumor growth inhibition, especially when combined with vitamin C or ascorbic acid.
@gym.rat Yeah, I was surprised to see the GHKcu listed also; thought it might have to do with copper more than anything.
I'm hoping Joshua has a good outcome and gets rid of this malignancy. I don't blame him for wanting to get rid of everything.
I've cut back o NAD+ simply because I want to take less of everything and find out exactly where I am in the process.
I desperately need mitochondrial repair and don't like regular pharma solutions. SS-31 is good, can do the NAD+ with and after it but have to wait on changed weather for MOTS-C.
@mrjoshua44 PLEASE keep us updated, okay? Wishing you the very best!
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So sorry my brother,
Have you considered Ivermectin and Fenbendazone? As for peptide look into LL37 and all thymosin Alpha and Beta against cancer. I would keep pbc and tb. Look into it, something to consider.
If your considering cleaning up PEps hit me up. Ill be intereted in your bpc and tb. -
@gym.rat Yeah, I was surprised to see the GHKcu listed also; thought it might have to do with copper more than anything.
I'm hoping Joshua has a good outcome and gets rid of this malignancy. I don't blame him for wanting to get rid of everything.
I've cut back o NAD+ simply because I want to take less of everything and find out exactly where I am in the process.
I desperately need mitochondrial repair and don't like regular pharma solutions. SS-31 is good, can do the NAD+ with and after it but have to wait on changed weather for MOTS-C.
@mrjoshua44 PLEASE keep us updated, okay? Wishing you the very best!
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@Eleanor What is the reason behind the weather change for Motsc
Getting the bacteriostatic saline/alcohol water shipped in safe conditions. Right now it's 97 degrees, with 90% humidity in AM and if fortunate, 50% in evening; and that's on a good evening. I don't want the water lingering in hot/humid weather for hours before I get home and can't afford to get overnight due to cost.
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I recently found out that I have a benign C4 peripheral nerve sheath tumor in my right neck called a Schwannoma. It's an extremely slow growing type of tumor that I've had for over 20 years. Due to its size and location, the doctors have decided to just monitor it rather than a risky surgery to remove it. I mentioned to my Neurologist about the peptides I'm wanting to take to help with my body recomposition, and he said specifically to stay away from these:
Sermorelin, Hexarelin, CJC-1295, Ipamorelin, Tesamorelin, MK-677, BPC-157, TB-500 (TB4), NAD+ and GHK-Cu.Now I have to figure out what to do with all the supply I have in my chest freezer. Needless to say, I'm pretty bummed out about this.
@mrjoshua44 I'm so sorry; that must be incredibly disappointing! If anyone reading this has been curious about the various "elin" peptides, their risk factors and research protocols, I highly recommend this detailed comparison and explanation: It's really long and technical, but fascinating food for thought, especially when it comes to assessing potential downsides vs benefits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVG006bW_3s
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@mrjoshua44 I'm so sorry; that must be incredibly disappointing! If anyone reading this has been curious about the various "elin" peptides, their risk factors and research protocols, I highly recommend this detailed comparison and explanation: It's really long and technical, but fascinating food for thought, especially when it comes to assessing potential downsides vs benefits. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVG006bW_3s
@theexquisitehour Definitely risky, but thats why you have to monitor your health. I think the take away is do you want to extend the later years of your life when quality of life might be an issue or maximize your time now when you are younger? It's a real valid question and everyone will have a different answer.
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@theexquisitehour Definitely risky, but thats why you have to monitor your health. I think the take away is do you want to extend the later years of your life when quality of life might be an issue or maximize your time now when you are younger? It's a real valid question and everyone will have a different answer.
@gym.rat Im feeling 55yo younger. Guys think of these peptides like a way to dial you metabolic system, and even better mitochondria. You are very much powered by mitochondria threw out your body. We are not only a bag of water. We are a walking battery. These peptides may not be perfect but they offer beyond the state most of our bodies are in? It is so freaking fascinating. Can you imagine with the right blood work. There is Huma Pod offered to the public with close to Dexa Scan precision. Damn that is where extropy gets expensive. lol
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