Throw Some Rocks - Thoughts on my Stack
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Still relatively new to this and have settled into a stack and developing new habits.
I thought I would share process to date and planned going forward and let those with more experience throw some rocks (or polite suggestions) at my stack, dosage, injection sites, supplements, etc.
History of the rabbit:
- Given a life expectancy of 10 years (and I am shooting for 100 personally), the rabbit is 6 1/2 years old.
- Extensive knee, and probably hip and back, injury at early age
- Torn "shoulder" bits at approximately mid-life
- Recent "elbow" tendonitis - debilitating, almost complete loss of left forearm
- Ongoing foot (plantar fasciitis or heel spurs?) issues
- Other than the shoulders, this is all predominantly left side of body
Loss of elbow functionality occured on tax day this year, followed by 6 weeks of limited to no functionality.
Began PT late May - focus on hips and rebalancing of general body mobility, icing and stim on specific injuries.
Also began researching peptides.
Peptide Research:
June 6: Began BPC157 and TB500
BPC157 - .2mg daily SQ elbow, titrated to .5mg over 4 weeks
TB500 - .75mg (day one) SQ abdomen twice weekly titrated to 1.5mg over 3 weeksElbow functionality began returning mid 2nd week, large reduction in pain while resting, noticeable reduction in pain under load.
July 6: Addition of GHK-Cu and Cartalax, Mod of BPC to cover elbow and left knee/heel.
BPC-157 - 0.5mg daily SQ elbow (Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat); knee (Mon, Wed, Fri)
TB500 - 1.5mg SQ abdomen Sun and Wed
GHK-Cu - 0.7mg daily SQ abdomen, will titrate to 2mg daily (1mg wk 2, 1.5mg wk 3, 2mg wk 4) assuming no adverse reaction.
Cartalax - 1.0mg daily SQ shoulder (Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat), hip (Mon, Wed, Fri), will titrate to 2mg daily (1.4mg wk 2, 2.0mg wk 3)Plan is to reach a plateau beginning of August with (summary):
BPC-157 - 0.5mg daily (split between elbow and knee)
Cartalax - 2.0mg daily (split between shoulder and hip)
GHK-Cu - 2.0mg daily (abdomen)
TB-500 - 1.5mg 2x/week (abdomen)Will run through September then pause for 4 weeks and evaluate.
Any thoughts on dosages, injection sites?
I have seen a variety of dosage recommendations for Cartalax, some bigger and some smaller than what I am planning, same with the GHK-Cu.
I plan to have my vet do bloodwork that includes tests for copper and zinc - anything else I should have him look for?
My motivation for splitting elbow/knee and shoulder/hip is to deal with the elbow first, but also start on the knee and heel issues. With all the left side issues, the rabbit looks like a NASCAR driver. Pining Cartalax in shoulder and hip with the thought that gravity will suck it down while providing coverage for those joints as well.
There have been no side effects thus far other than slight pin-sight itch (10-15 minutes at most) and slight bruising plus a very vague almost headache or eye-itch about 30 minutes after injection, either goes away or becomes unnoticeable after about 10-15 minutes.
Big glass house - throw some rocks.
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I don't think there's a need to throw rocks; I'm hoping someone can help. A couple of questions if I may because I want to make sure we're on the same page:
- Is this rabbit actually a kit of 6.5 years? Male or Female?
- How much does that kit weigh?
- Who diagnosed your kit with 10 yr. life expectancy?
- Was there a specific diagnosis?
Proud to be on a gubmint watch list
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I don't think there's a need to throw rocks; I'm hoping someone can help. A couple of questions if I may because I want to make sure we're on the same page:
- Is this rabbit actually a kit of 6.5 years? Male or Female?
- How much does that kit weigh?
- Who diagnosed your kit with 10 yr. life expectancy?
- Was there a specific diagnosis?
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@Eleanor It's like if a rabbit was a human, and human's rough life expectancy was 100, a human would be about 65.
10 --> 6.5
100 --> 65@vpeptides Got it.
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Still relatively new to this and have settled into a stack and developing new habits.
I thought I would share process to date and planned going forward and let those with more experience throw some rocks (or polite suggestions) at my stack, dosage, injection sites, supplements, etc.
History of the rabbit:
- Given a life expectancy of 10 years (and I am shooting for 100 personally), the rabbit is 6 1/2 years old.
- Extensive knee, and probably hip and back, injury at early age
- Torn "shoulder" bits at approximately mid-life
- Recent "elbow" tendonitis - debilitating, almost complete loss of left forearm
- Ongoing foot (plantar fasciitis or heel spurs?) issues
- Other than the shoulders, this is all predominantly left side of body
Loss of elbow functionality occured on tax day this year, followed by 6 weeks of limited to no functionality.
Began PT late May - focus on hips and rebalancing of general body mobility, icing and stim on specific injuries.
Also began researching peptides.
Peptide Research:
June 6: Began BPC157 and TB500
BPC157 - .2mg daily SQ elbow, titrated to .5mg over 4 weeks
TB500 - .75mg (day one) SQ abdomen twice weekly titrated to 1.5mg over 3 weeksElbow functionality began returning mid 2nd week, large reduction in pain while resting, noticeable reduction in pain under load.
July 6: Addition of GHK-Cu and Cartalax, Mod of BPC to cover elbow and left knee/heel.
BPC-157 - 0.5mg daily SQ elbow (Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat); knee (Mon, Wed, Fri)
TB500 - 1.5mg SQ abdomen Sun and Wed
GHK-Cu - 0.7mg daily SQ abdomen, will titrate to 2mg daily (1mg wk 2, 1.5mg wk 3, 2mg wk 4) assuming no adverse reaction.
Cartalax - 1.0mg daily SQ shoulder (Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat), hip (Mon, Wed, Fri), will titrate to 2mg daily (1.4mg wk 2, 2.0mg wk 3)Plan is to reach a plateau beginning of August with (summary):
BPC-157 - 0.5mg daily (split between elbow and knee)
Cartalax - 2.0mg daily (split between shoulder and hip)
GHK-Cu - 2.0mg daily (abdomen)
TB-500 - 1.5mg 2x/week (abdomen)Will run through September then pause for 4 weeks and evaluate.
Any thoughts on dosages, injection sites?
I have seen a variety of dosage recommendations for Cartalax, some bigger and some smaller than what I am planning, same with the GHK-Cu.
I plan to have my vet do bloodwork that includes tests for copper and zinc - anything else I should have him look for?
My motivation for splitting elbow/knee and shoulder/hip is to deal with the elbow first, but also start on the knee and heel issues. With all the left side issues, the rabbit looks like a NASCAR driver. Pining Cartalax in shoulder and hip with the thought that gravity will suck it down while providing coverage for those joints as well.
There have been no side effects thus far other than slight pin-sight itch (10-15 minutes at most) and slight bruising plus a very vague almost headache or eye-itch about 30 minutes after injection, either goes away or becomes unnoticeable after about 10-15 minutes.
Big glass house - throw some rocks.
@pmcelveen I wonder to hear your reflection on injecting locally to elbow, knee, shoulder and hip. From what I understand from anatomy, also from what the specialists are saying, there should be no difference vs. abdominal injection, since the dose quickly joins the blood circulation and in matter of seconds spreads around the body more or less evenly. Gravity here does not apply as much as if you dropped a stone into a well. But this is my theoretical understanding and I would welcome the n=1 anecdotes.
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I’m all out of rocks. But I have this big brick! JK. Don’t take advice from me I know very little but if I were you I would at least study up on KPV. Helps with inflammation and I would guess it would be beneficial to your rabbit given all of the little guys problems.
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Glad to see you split up the Glow to get the correct dosage.
The GHK does well locally too.
As far as the Inject Local debate, I think anyone that tries it will see which way they want to go.
My areas are bother shoulders [actually getting MRIs in the coming two weeks] hips and knees. I've also injected into elbows [that one I didn't see any difference]. -
Glad to see you split up the Glow to get the correct dosage.
The GHK does well locally too.
As far as the Inject Local debate, I think anyone that tries it will see which way they want to go.
My areas are bother shoulders [actually getting MRIs in the coming two weeks] hips and knees. I've also injected into elbows [that one I didn't see any difference].@Stan-Douglas I guess it would make sense it you injected directly into the elbow. But if you inject subcutaneously, it is not the same organ, skin is not directly connected to the elbow, only via blood vessels. GHK does well locally because we expect it to affect the skin.
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Still relatively new to this and have settled into a stack and developing new habits.
I thought I would share process to date and planned going forward and let those with more experience throw some rocks (or polite suggestions) at my stack, dosage, injection sites, supplements, etc.
History of the rabbit:
- Given a life expectancy of 10 years (and I am shooting for 100 personally), the rabbit is 6 1/2 years old.
- Extensive knee, and probably hip and back, injury at early age
- Torn "shoulder" bits at approximately mid-life
- Recent "elbow" tendonitis - debilitating, almost complete loss of left forearm
- Ongoing foot (plantar fasciitis or heel spurs?) issues
- Other than the shoulders, this is all predominantly left side of body
Loss of elbow functionality occured on tax day this year, followed by 6 weeks of limited to no functionality.
Began PT late May - focus on hips and rebalancing of general body mobility, icing and stim on specific injuries.
Also began researching peptides.
Peptide Research:
June 6: Began BPC157 and TB500
BPC157 - .2mg daily SQ elbow, titrated to .5mg over 4 weeks
TB500 - .75mg (day one) SQ abdomen twice weekly titrated to 1.5mg over 3 weeksElbow functionality began returning mid 2nd week, large reduction in pain while resting, noticeable reduction in pain under load.
July 6: Addition of GHK-Cu and Cartalax, Mod of BPC to cover elbow and left knee/heel.
BPC-157 - 0.5mg daily SQ elbow (Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat); knee (Mon, Wed, Fri)
TB500 - 1.5mg SQ abdomen Sun and Wed
GHK-Cu - 0.7mg daily SQ abdomen, will titrate to 2mg daily (1mg wk 2, 1.5mg wk 3, 2mg wk 4) assuming no adverse reaction.
Cartalax - 1.0mg daily SQ shoulder (Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat), hip (Mon, Wed, Fri), will titrate to 2mg daily (1.4mg wk 2, 2.0mg wk 3)Plan is to reach a plateau beginning of August with (summary):
BPC-157 - 0.5mg daily (split between elbow and knee)
Cartalax - 2.0mg daily (split between shoulder and hip)
GHK-Cu - 2.0mg daily (abdomen)
TB-500 - 1.5mg 2x/week (abdomen)Will run through September then pause for 4 weeks and evaluate.
Any thoughts on dosages, injection sites?
I have seen a variety of dosage recommendations for Cartalax, some bigger and some smaller than what I am planning, same with the GHK-Cu.
I plan to have my vet do bloodwork that includes tests for copper and zinc - anything else I should have him look for?
My motivation for splitting elbow/knee and shoulder/hip is to deal with the elbow first, but also start on the knee and heel issues. With all the left side issues, the rabbit looks like a NASCAR driver. Pining Cartalax in shoulder and hip with the thought that gravity will suck it down while providing coverage for those joints as well.
There have been no side effects thus far other than slight pin-sight itch (10-15 minutes at most) and slight bruising plus a very vague almost headache or eye-itch about 30 minutes after injection, either goes away or becomes unnoticeable after about 10-15 minutes.
Big glass house - throw some rocks.
I plan to have my vet do bloodwork that includes tests for copper and zinc - anything else I should have him look for?
Pining Cartalax in shoulder and hip with the thought that gravity will suck it down while providing coverage for those joints as well.
These are all I can speak to for now.
I don't take GHK-Cu, popular as it is, I didn't notice any benefits from it but you might. I don't need the copper/zinc mess on my hands.
You handle Cartalax the same way I do; let gravity do some work for you. IDK if this thinking is correct, but gravity has done it's work on the rest of me so why not this? I would add to use the Cartalax at night before bedtime, IF the rabbits pain is worse upon waking than at any other time of the day.
In the morning, my cat uses topical DMSO, at least 2 applications. You can buy the one without the smell for about $12.
IF you're comfortable doing so, I'd up that Cartalax dose steadily as soon as you can; it seemed to take a while to work on my cat (~3-4wks).
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Still relatively new to this and have settled into a stack and developing new habits.
I thought I would share process to date and planned going forward and let those with more experience throw some rocks (or polite suggestions) at my stack, dosage, injection sites, supplements, etc.
History of the rabbit:
- Given a life expectancy of 10 years (and I am shooting for 100 personally), the rabbit is 6 1/2 years old.
- Extensive knee, and probably hip and back, injury at early age
- Torn "shoulder" bits at approximately mid-life
- Recent "elbow" tendonitis - debilitating, almost complete loss of left forearm
- Ongoing foot (plantar fasciitis or heel spurs?) issues
- Other than the shoulders, this is all predominantly left side of body
Loss of elbow functionality occured on tax day this year, followed by 6 weeks of limited to no functionality.
Began PT late May - focus on hips and rebalancing of general body mobility, icing and stim on specific injuries.
Also began researching peptides.
Peptide Research:
June 6: Began BPC157 and TB500
BPC157 - .2mg daily SQ elbow, titrated to .5mg over 4 weeks
TB500 - .75mg (day one) SQ abdomen twice weekly titrated to 1.5mg over 3 weeksElbow functionality began returning mid 2nd week, large reduction in pain while resting, noticeable reduction in pain under load.
July 6: Addition of GHK-Cu and Cartalax, Mod of BPC to cover elbow and left knee/heel.
BPC-157 - 0.5mg daily SQ elbow (Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat); knee (Mon, Wed, Fri)
TB500 - 1.5mg SQ abdomen Sun and Wed
GHK-Cu - 0.7mg daily SQ abdomen, will titrate to 2mg daily (1mg wk 2, 1.5mg wk 3, 2mg wk 4) assuming no adverse reaction.
Cartalax - 1.0mg daily SQ shoulder (Sun, Tue, Thur, Sat), hip (Mon, Wed, Fri), will titrate to 2mg daily (1.4mg wk 2, 2.0mg wk 3)Plan is to reach a plateau beginning of August with (summary):
BPC-157 - 0.5mg daily (split between elbow and knee)
Cartalax - 2.0mg daily (split between shoulder and hip)
GHK-Cu - 2.0mg daily (abdomen)
TB-500 - 1.5mg 2x/week (abdomen)Will run through September then pause for 4 weeks and evaluate.
Any thoughts on dosages, injection sites?
I have seen a variety of dosage recommendations for Cartalax, some bigger and some smaller than what I am planning, same with the GHK-Cu.
I plan to have my vet do bloodwork that includes tests for copper and zinc - anything else I should have him look for?
My motivation for splitting elbow/knee and shoulder/hip is to deal with the elbow first, but also start on the knee and heel issues. With all the left side issues, the rabbit looks like a NASCAR driver. Pining Cartalax in shoulder and hip with the thought that gravity will suck it down while providing coverage for those joints as well.
There have been no side effects thus far other than slight pin-sight itch (10-15 minutes at most) and slight bruising plus a very vague almost headache or eye-itch about 30 minutes after injection, either goes away or becomes unnoticeable after about 10-15 minutes.
Big glass house - throw some rocks.
@pmcelveen about the blood tests, preferably run Copper and Zinc tests on Red Blood Cells, not on blood serum. Those levels are more stable and long-term.
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Looks good to me. Pinch, pin and pray. Keep us posted. I went through two 10mg Wolverines on my knee. No so called protocols. I just pinned 1mg a day til I finished the vials. Knee improved by 60%. I been light footed for years. There is something there. After I finish my present stacks Im going to focus on how far I can correct my knee.
The stuff really works. In addition inflammation, body aches and gym recovery improved significantly. -
I have no problem with your stack. A bit more complicated than I prefer, but if you are happy with the results, I am glad to hear it.
I currently research KLOW with a vial of Wolv added to it. So it’s basically a full 1mg of BPC/TB500 per day.
I’ve done local and central, I know opinions vary. BPC may benefit from local injection, most evidence is anecdotal. TB500 doesn’t really work that way. Nor do most other peptides(can’t speak to GHK). I guess the worst case is that it doesn’t hurt to inject locally, as long as you are injecting into a spot with sufficient blood flow to eventually diffuse systemically.
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@Stan-Douglas I guess it would make sense it you injected directly into the elbow. But if you inject subcutaneously, it is not the same organ, skin is not directly connected to the elbow, only via blood vessels. GHK does well locally because we expect it to affect the skin.
GHK does well locally because we expect it to affect the skin
It's not used for skin in this matter, it's used for it's well-documented tissue reparation. THAT is why it is included in the GloStack blends.
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I plan to have my vet do bloodwork that includes tests for copper and zinc - anything else I should have him look for?
Pining Cartalax in shoulder and hip with the thought that gravity will suck it down while providing coverage for those joints as well.
These are all I can speak to for now.
I don't take GHK-Cu, popular as it is, I didn't notice any benefits from it but you might. I don't need the copper/zinc mess on my hands.
You handle Cartalax the same way I do; let gravity do some work for you. IDK if this thinking is correct, but gravity has done it's work on the rest of me so why not this? I would add to use the Cartalax at night before bedtime, IF the rabbits pain is worse upon waking than at any other time of the day.
In the morning, my cat uses topical DMSO, at least 2 applications. You can buy the one without the smell for about $12.
IF you're comfortable doing so, I'd up that Cartalax dose steadily as soon as you can; it seemed to take a while to work on my cat (~3-4wks).
@Eleanor
Thanks for your input.I did not specify, but I have been giving all doses in the evening, vaguely around supper time.
I am not sure if there is a benefit one way or another for evening vs morning.
The rabbit eats early evening then no food until ~11 am (except for a dose of caffeine with a little protein powder mixed in at 6-7am), so thinking was that the peptides would start making their rounds shortly after digestion had gone to work and then have hours to play around. Certainly no medical education behind it. I am a rocket scientist, not a brain sugeon, Jim! (bad quote of a proper engineer).
I have seen such a wide range of recommendations for the Cartalax, some that max at 2mg, some that start there and go to 5mg daily. My plan is to ramp fairly quickly with the hope of seeing some effect, but not so quickly that I cannot bail if there are issues. So far the rabbit seems quite tolerant of just about anything stuck in him except alcohol.
I did not know you could still get DMSO! I will look into that. I assume vet or farm stores?
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@Eleanor
Thanks for your input.I did not specify, but I have been giving all doses in the evening, vaguely around supper time.
I am not sure if there is a benefit one way or another for evening vs morning.
The rabbit eats early evening then no food until ~11 am (except for a dose of caffeine with a little protein powder mixed in at 6-7am), so thinking was that the peptides would start making their rounds shortly after digestion had gone to work and then have hours to play around. Certainly no medical education behind it. I am a rocket scientist, not a brain sugeon, Jim! (bad quote of a proper engineer).
I have seen such a wide range of recommendations for the Cartalax, some that max at 2mg, some that start there and go to 5mg daily. My plan is to ramp fairly quickly with the hope of seeing some effect, but not so quickly that I cannot bail if there are issues. So far the rabbit seems quite tolerant of just about anything stuck in him except alcohol.
I did not know you could still get DMSO! I will look into that. I assume vet or farm stores?
@pmcelveen My best to your efforts. Yes, DMSO liniment available on Amazon. I suggest the one by Belle Chemical; good stuff, no smell.
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@Eleanor
Thanks for your input.I did not specify, but I have been giving all doses in the evening, vaguely around supper time.
I am not sure if there is a benefit one way or another for evening vs morning.
The rabbit eats early evening then no food until ~11 am (except for a dose of caffeine with a little protein powder mixed in at 6-7am), so thinking was that the peptides would start making their rounds shortly after digestion had gone to work and then have hours to play around. Certainly no medical education behind it. I am a rocket scientist, not a brain sugeon, Jim! (bad quote of a proper engineer).
I have seen such a wide range of recommendations for the Cartalax, some that max at 2mg, some that start there and go to 5mg daily. My plan is to ramp fairly quickly with the hope of seeing some effect, but not so quickly that I cannot bail if there are issues. So far the rabbit seems quite tolerant of just about anything stuck in him except alcohol.
I did not know you could still get DMSO! I will look into that. I assume vet or farm stores?
@pmcelveen Cartalax shows dose-dependent effect. The minimum effective dose would be around 0.4mg a day and the max is unknown but the Russian filing puts it at 0.1mg per kg a day, which would be around 9mg a day for 200lb person.
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Double your dosage of bpc/tb and then take it AM and PM before bed, your body repairs itself best when you are sleeping.
Increase the Cartalax as much as you can afford, 5mg would not hurt you, take it before bed as well.
Add KPV might as well as attack inflammation, 1mg
increase the GHKCU to 3mg per day
Add HGH 2IU before bed fasted. -
Double your dosage of bpc/tb and then take it AM and PM before bed, your body repairs itself best when you are sleeping.
Increase the Cartalax as much as you can afford, 5mg would not hurt you, take it before bed as well.
Add KPV might as well as attack inflammation, 1mg
increase the GHKCU to 3mg per day
Add HGH 2IU before bed fasted.@brandenscheidecker
Can you elaborate on the last line - what is 2IU and "before bed fasted"
I thought the BPC/TP did deal with inflammation, what is the super power of KPV and should it be local or abdomen pin site and morning or evening
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2 doses of bpc/tb 1mg ea am and before bed load up on it you have multiple areas to heal!
If your in pain KPV has full system effect on inflammation pin it in abdomen at night. I have used it at night an in am same dose as bpc/tbHGH is measured in IUs 1mg equals 3 IUs, significant improvement in joints and healing! it is the goat of peptides used by many pro bodybuilders and declines in the body with age. you do have to test your blood sugar levels with it in AM daily. it does it best job when injected sub Q abdomen half hour before bed fasted for 2 hours prior. Taking it with food will jack your blood sugar levels.
My Rat followed a 2 month protocal that I gave your with cartalax, had previous rotator cuff injury and pain when lifting weights, and a previously blew out my knee and had been in pain up and down stairs for years. now I am pain free most of the time, going to run this protocal again with cartalax in about a month hoping to solve some creeky knee issues.
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