CRUSH has "Important dilution note" PLEASE READ!
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Just to give a fair perspective of a different vendor. I ordered 6 vials of cjc/ipa from ngpeptides/NextGen. All reconstituted either cloudy or sludge of whatever. They had the same policy. They asked for pictures of the vials effected and pictures of the Hospira I used and didn't hesitate to issue the refund immediately. I did not purchase any bac from them. A simple picture was proof enough for them.
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@Eleanor I complained about TA-1 that didn't dissolve to Ion. They asked immediately what solvent I used. I said Hospira. They just believed me. I wonder if I said "Uncle Wang Toilet Water" would they give me a credit?
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I repeat the question: HOW DOES A RESEARCHER PROVE THEY USED PFIZER?
So now, Crush, Flawless & Glow Ams (Lawless sister) is now off my list. -
@Randy No Sir, not yet. As you know, I've had one smashed (not by same vendor), but that was replaced, thankfully to the vendors fair business practice; still not padded worth crap but got lucky it arrived whole. It was an event that was pretty much undeniable.
I am putting forth a scenario for people to think about. IMO, placing the statement on their site COULD give them a path to deny most any challenges by their customers that might occur. Realizing vendors also have challenges with customers, there are ways around that; which @mj227 unfortunately experienced personally via Zelle.
In short, I don't like it, to me it's a signal of trouble ahead, more for the customer than the vendor and I'm BOYCOTTING those vendors who place such a statement on their site.
Again, the question is, how do you prove to the vendor that you used Pfizer to reconstitute? Effectively, the customer cannot prove it, UNLESS, the customer buys it from that same vendor. No thanks! I've got plenty already in storage. I'm not getting locked into that BS.
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Just to give a fair perspective of a different vendor. I ordered 6 vials of cjc/ipa from ngpeptides/NextGen. All reconstituted either cloudy or sludge of whatever. They had the same policy. They asked for pictures of the vials effected and pictures of the Hospira I used and didn't hesitate to issue the refund immediately. I did not purchase any bac from them. A simple picture was proof enough for them.
They had the same policy.
I'm happy to hear you were well treated, but that might not be the case with some vendors in the future.
I think everyone has a right to buy or not buy from whomever they want, including me.
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@JtCjEfF ummm you just contact the cc company and make a claim because you didn’t get what you paid for. Crush is not a grey market supplier or the prices would be far less. The real issue is now I have to prove to them I used hospital if I don’t pay 30pct more to purchase it from them. You do get where this is going it’s really not that hard. This guy is all all about marketing. Drops, sales, presales, inventory running out, buy my bac from me. I am out there are too many good vendors than to mess with this
@Stevepep No argument there. However, I have tried twice in the last two years to reverse charges against a vendor, not related to peptides, just normal retail stuff… and in both cases my CC support would not help me since I had previous dealings with them. Seems my CC is only interested in helping if it is the first dealing with a vendor. I was not happy.
BUT… fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product, and I think thats what @eleanor is upset about. Rightfully so.
Apart from that and getting back to her OP, Crush really should be taking care of it without issue. I thought they were better at CS than this. Combine that with their really distrusting biz model and I can see a lot of us moving away. For all the reasons mentioned here.
Lastly, I thought about the video idea too, but a crooked vendor could easily push back and argue that there is no proof of what is in the Hospira vial. Could be Unk Wangs toilet water re-injected into that bottle.
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I'm waiting for Nexaph to add full panel, with Janoshik COAs as they do. These random labs popping up everywhere in the US also seem problematic with trustworthiness.
I've known about Nexaph before even I knew any other vendors, from my glp1forum reads, but I didn't know about the TG channels to check additional testing and I've been particular about endotoxin testing.
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@Stevepep No argument there. However, I have tried twice in the last two years to reverse charges against a vendor, not related to peptides, just normal retail stuff… and in both cases my CC support would not help me since I had previous dealings with them. Seems my CC is only interested in helping if it is the first dealing with a vendor. I was not happy.
BUT… fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product, and I think thats what @eleanor is upset about. Rightfully so.
Apart from that and getting back to her OP, Crush really should be taking care of it without issue. I thought they were better at CS than this. Combine that with their really distrusting biz model and I can see a lot of us moving away. For all the reasons mentioned here.
Lastly, I thought about the video idea too, but a crooked vendor could easily push back and argue that there is no proof of what is in the Hospira vial. Could be Unk Wangs toilet water re-injected into that bottle.
BUT… fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product, and I think thats what @eleanor is upset about. Rightfully so.
Well, almost. Yes to the part about vendor willingness and building a relationship & backing their product.
I'm just trying to let you know I see a trend coming that evidently a lot of people don't see or refuse to see, and it's not exclusive to peptides businesses. I've seen it before in many businesses and interactions.
I was widowed at a younger age, raised 11 kids, none of which I birthed, been around the world for work, met the best of people and the worst of people. In my 70 years, I call it at the first red flag nowadays and not ashamed to do so. How the hell do you think I've stayed alive and done all that, esp. raised that many uninjured and un-jailed kids? It's not a matter of being upset; it's a matter of knowing what I'm seeing the first time it appears and not waiting to see it again. If someone punches you once in the face, are you going to stand there and wait for a 2nd punch, "just to make sure"? God damn, WTF is the matter with you all?!
You'll know by Thanksgiving through New Year season how this is going to proceed because that is their timeline. It won't be pretty if it happens. I would rather it NOT happen at all. BOYCOTT NOW!
There's the timeline. Make of it what you will. Case CLOSED for me on this thread as far as I'm concerned.
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@Stevepep No argument there. However, I have tried twice in the last two years to reverse charges against a vendor, not related to peptides, just normal retail stuff… and in both cases my CC support would not help me since I had previous dealings with them. Seems my CC is only interested in helping if it is the first dealing with a vendor. I was not happy.
BUT… fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product, and I think thats what @eleanor is upset about. Rightfully so.
Apart from that and getting back to her OP, Crush really should be taking care of it without issue. I thought they were better at CS than this. Combine that with their really distrusting biz model and I can see a lot of us moving away. For all the reasons mentioned here.
Lastly, I thought about the video idea too, but a crooked vendor could easily push back and argue that there is no proof of what is in the Hospira vial. Could be Unk Wangs toilet water re-injected into that bottle.
fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product
Yet to research my Crush vials and until now none of my peps from other vendors gelled.
But I have had repeat orders with Glacier, Ion, Peptidology, Oneday and I have seen them accommodating my issues mostly with some order glitches, not product itself (didn't have any).
Not saying gelling issue isn't genuine, but there will always be people who would try to exploit vendor goodwill—claim they used genuine Hospira but used toilet water and then want free replacement. So vendors might have started putting that boilerplate notice. I saw the same notice even on a couple of other pep and BAC vendor sites.
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This whole thread was confusing and muddy. A hypothetical scenario was brought up. Which eventually led to calling for a boycott for something that hasn't even taken place. Appreciate the sharing of something found but this train went off the tracks.
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This whole thread was confusing and muddy. A hypothetical scenario was brought up. Which eventually led to calling for a boycott for something that hasn't even taken place. Appreciate the sharing of something found but this train went off the tracks.
@Mydogdaryl423 couldn't agree more. Ive watched and learned from this site and there's one poster here who seems to have some sort of weird energy towards CRUSH. Over the last year I've order from a few vendors but in the last 6 months its really come down to crush and nexaph depending on the price. Sometimes crush has the better deal and sometimes its nexap but both have been great from pricing, delivery, customer service etc. Theres plenty of vendors that truly suck crush is not even close to that.
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This whole thread was confusing and muddy. A hypothetical scenario was brought up. Which eventually led to calling for a boycott for something that hasn't even taken place. Appreciate the sharing of something found but this train went off the tracks.
@Mydogdaryl423 yeah....
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@Mydogdaryl423 couldn't agree more. Ive watched and learned from this site and there's one poster here who seems to have some sort of weird energy towards CRUSH. Over the last year I've order from a few vendors but in the last 6 months its really come down to crush and nexaph depending on the price. Sometimes crush has the better deal and sometimes its nexap but both have been great from pricing, delivery, customer service etc. Theres plenty of vendors that truly suck crush is not even close to that.
@mandangox28 I think you are referring to me, like I said crush is fine I have spent at least $2000 there I just want someone more reliable with inventory and not all the marketing stuff week after week. We make our own decisions. I don’t need to leave let me know when you have it to pay the same or less at a place that actually has it and I get it in 3 days.
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Crush is owned by Rory who was fairly big on tiktok as Peptok at one point. He killed his account almost a year ago because of the drama.
Rory is the reason we have vendors doing all this testing. Prior to him making a BIG stink vendors were selling without COA's, assuming a new batch was good because the last one was and almost nobody was testing sterility/endo etc. Now they are and its because he used his platform to push this on the industry.
He wasn't tactful and he was brash at times but it was necessary to get us where we are. I talk to him regularly and he is one of the few research vendors that actually researches with his supply.
If I'm being completely honest I wouldn't refund someone for a gelled peptide if they used uncle wang toilet water either. Not all bac water is created equal. How do you verify? You ask.
Have a problem with his bac markup? Buy it at Medex in bulk like he does. Its a convenience charge.
At least he is being up front with the policy.
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Crush is owned by Rory who was fairly big on tiktok as Peptok at one point. He killed his account almost a year ago because of the drama.
Rory is the reason we have vendors doing all this testing. Prior to him making a BIG stink vendors were selling without COA's, assuming a new batch was good because the last one was and almost nobody was testing sterility/endo etc. Now they are and its because he used his platform to push this on the industry.
He wasn't tactful and he was brash at times but it was necessary to get us where we are. I talk to him regularly and he is one of the few research vendors that actually researches with his supply.
If I'm being completely honest I wouldn't refund someone for a gelled peptide if they used uncle wang toilet water either. Not all bac water is created equal. How do you verify? You ask.
Have a problem with his bac markup? Buy it at Medex in bulk like he does. Its a convenience charge.
At least he is being up front with the policy.
@Randy couldn't agree more. It takes people like rory to push industries/spaces forward. All of a sudden everyone is moving to increased testing.
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@mandangox28 I think you are referring to me, like I said crush is fine I have spent at least $2000 there I just want someone more reliable with inventory and not all the marketing stuff week after week. We make our own decisions. I don’t need to leave let me know when you have it to pay the same or less at a place that actually has it and I get it in 3 days.
Stevepep I get it bro. I can definitely understand the frustrations if you need a product and its not not available. Im just not going crush the guy for building up a brand and system that id imagine is printing money. Im sure if his way of pricing, marketing, inventory etc hits a wall he'll adjust but from the looks of it he's killing it. Ask yourself would you change your business if it was doing really well and customers kept coming back in waves?
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Stevepep I get it bro. I can definitely understand the frustrations if you need a product and its not not available. Im just not going crush the guy for building up a brand and system that id imagine is printing money. Im sure if his way of pricing, marketing, inventory etc hits a wall he'll adjust but from the looks of it he's killing it. Ask yourself would you change your business if it was doing really well and customers kept coming back in waves?
@mandangox28 no if you look at my posts on crush I have often posted I am jealous by how well the marketing tactics work. It’s just too much work for me to be honest. I have no issues with what I ordered from crush if I see a deal that makes sense I would feel confident ordering from there. Lately the sales have been a nothing burger I get the feeling it’s run its course.
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