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    mitchmiller
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    What labs are we trusting today? Who are we not trusting? I just saw ethos as a lab on Glacier and haven’t heard of this one before.

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      https://community.peptidecritic.com/topic/3083/ethos-analytics-lab

      Saw this post from 5 days ago about them. Doesnt look like much info than what was listed.

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        I am pretty involved in the lab community and follow most of the lab owners as they discuss lab things. In order of how I trust them based on their knowledge and experience.

        Janoshik
        Vanguard
        Amino Metrics (for GH)
        Chromate
        BT Labs
        Accumark
        AFI
        MZBIO
        Freedom
        Kovera
        ILS

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          I am pretty involved in the lab community and follow most of the lab owners as they discuss lab things. In order of how I trust them based on their knowledge and experience.

          Janoshik
          Vanguard
          Amino Metrics (for GH)
          Chromate
          BT Labs
          Accumark
          AFI
          MZBIO
          Freedom
          Kovera
          ILS

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          Stevepep
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          @dispensarysupport I have a feeling we may be getting our answer on which labs we can trust pretty soon based on actual testing.

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            I am pretty involved in the lab community and follow most of the lab owners as they discuss lab things. In order of how I trust them based on their knowledge and experience.

            Janoshik
            Vanguard
            Amino Metrics (for GH)
            Chromate
            BT Labs
            Accumark
            AFI
            MZBIO
            Freedom
            Kovera
            ILS

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            mitchmiller
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            @dispensarysupport I saw thats tudz was using vanguard but didn’t know much about them. What places them high up on your list?

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              @dispensarysupport I saw thats tudz was using vanguard but didn’t know much about them. What places them high up on your list?

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              @mitchmiller said:

              @dispensarysupport I saw thats tudz was using vanguard but didn’t know much about them. What places them high up on your list?

              Technical abilities and knowledge. Dustin probably answers more technical questions than most people and often answers questions for other lab owners. Peter Magic does as well and the guy from Amino Metrics has been making commercial GH Peptides for labs for over 20yrs in the US. He understands what a correctly folded monomer should look like. The others are also there and involved and I like them as well. They all troubleshoot and discuss with probably Jano (Peter) being the least active because of the time difference.

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                @dispensarysupport I have a feeling we may be getting our answer on which labs we can trust pretty soon based on actual testing.

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                @Stevepep said:

                @dispensarysupport I have a feeling we may be getting our answer on which labs we can trust pretty soon based on actual testing.

                Cool. What metric are we using?

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                  Saw this just a day ago and reposted here. Probably went unnoticed.

                  https://community.peptidecritic.com/post/26791

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                    @Stevepep said:

                    @dispensarysupport I have a feeling we may be getting our answer on which labs we can trust pretty soon based on actual testing.

                    Cool. What metric are we using?

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                    @dispensarysupport test results I would think.

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                      Krause Analytical. They have been bad mouthed here by some with 2nd or 3rd party semi-negative comments. None that I’ve seen were first hand knowledge. Below is from a SubStack article ranking testing labs. Krause was ranked 5th, above Kovera, ILS, and TrustPoint.

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                      Krause Analytical has established a strong reputation for peptide identity, purity and quantitative testing, becoming a familiar name within the independent research peptide community.

                      Although it maintains a lower public profile than some of the higher-ranked laboratories, its reports appear regularly across the market and its services remain closely aligned with the practical needs of peptide researchers and suppliers.

                      Its visibility is also enhanced through its role as one of the independent analytical laboratories used by the Finnrick testing platform, extending the reach of its analytical work to a broader community of researchers seeking third-party verification.

                      Rather than relying on a highly visible public brand, Krause has built its reputation through consistent analytical performance, steady market adoption and its contribution to independent peptide testing.

                      Current assessment: A dependable peptide-focused laboratory with growing recognition, consistent market adoption and an important role in supporting independent peptide verification.

                      https://peptidesweekly.substack.com/p/an-independent-guide-to-the-laboratories?r=3pkpze&utm_medium=ios

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                        Krause Analytical. They have been bad mouthed here by some with 2nd or 3rd party semi-negative comments. None that I’ve seen were first hand knowledge. Below is from a SubStack article ranking testing labs. Krause was ranked 5th, above Kovera, ILS, and TrustPoint.

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                        Krause Analytical has established a strong reputation for peptide identity, purity and quantitative testing, becoming a familiar name within the independent research peptide community.

                        Although it maintains a lower public profile than some of the higher-ranked laboratories, its reports appear regularly across the market and its services remain closely aligned with the practical needs of peptide researchers and suppliers.

                        Its visibility is also enhanced through its role as one of the independent analytical laboratories used by the Finnrick testing platform, extending the reach of its analytical work to a broader community of researchers seeking third-party verification.

                        Rather than relying on a highly visible public brand, Krause has built its reputation through consistent analytical performance, steady market adoption and its contribution to independent peptide testing.

                        Current assessment: A dependable peptide-focused laboratory with growing recognition, consistent market adoption and an important role in supporting independent peptide verification.

                        https://peptidesweekly.substack.com/p/an-independent-guide-to-the-laboratories?r=3pkpze&utm_medium=ios

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                        @mikebricker I have a sneaky suspicion that that article may be turned on its head in the near future. By the way, I have no horse in this race i just want to see labs do their job and test at a high level. If Krause is accurate with their testing I am all for spending 60-70pct less. No Vanguard is interesting in that article and Freedom while we all know about them. Essentially an AI produced article with a ranking based on nothing. The author simply could have used each lab and tested vials from the same batch and compared results. Maybe we will see someone do that in the near future. hmmmm

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                          Just someone with a fridge full of research and a browser history that would concern my doctor.

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                            mitchmiller
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                            @BeeKind except ILS isn’t accredited for peptides. Their ISO is for cannabis so this isn’t even a valid chart you have here.

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                              @BeeKind except ILS isn’t accredited for peptides. Their ISO is for cannabis so this isn’t even a valid chart you have here.

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                              @mitchmiller This chart came from Krysia https://krysia0430.substack.com/p/the-iso-logo-is-not-enough-is-your

                              Just someone with a fridge full of research and a browser history that would concern my doctor.

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                                @BeeKind except ILS isn’t accredited for peptides. Their ISO is for cannabis so this isn’t even a valid chart you have here.

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                                @mitchmiller it is valid because they are ISO accredited - that's what that means and they DO NOT have a peptide scope- as shown on the chart. No one is accredited for peptides.

                                Just someone with a fridge full of research and a browser history that would concern my doctor.

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                                  @dispensarysupport test results I would think.

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                                  @Stevepep said:

                                  @dispensarysupport test results I would think.

                                  nice 30k ft view but how do we tell who is "best"? Like if we just want all of our tests results to come in at 99.5% or better we are best to use Freedom I feel. If we want legit critically tested product that we may or may not use on our very own lab rats, I want an unbiased lab that will give it to me straight with no bullshit.

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                                    @mikebricker I have a sneaky suspicion that that article may be turned on its head in the near future. By the way, I have no horse in this race i just want to see labs do their job and test at a high level. If Krause is accurate with their testing I am all for spending 60-70pct less. No Vanguard is interesting in that article and Freedom while we all know about them. Essentially an AI produced article with a ranking based on nothing. The author simply could have used each lab and tested vials from the same batch and compared results. Maybe we will see someone do that in the near future. hmmmm

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                                    @Stevepep said:

                                    @mikebricker I have a sneaky suspicion that that article may be turned on its head in the near future. By the way, I have no horse in this race i just want to see labs do their job and test at a high level. If Krause is accurate with their testing I am all for spending 60-70pct less. No Vanguard is interesting in that article and Freedom while we all know about them. Essentially an AI produced article with a ranking based on nothing. The author simply could have used each lab and tested vials from the same batch and compared results. Maybe we will see someone do that in the near future. hmmmm

                                    But again, who are we going to decide is RIGHT if we send the same product from a kit to all the labs? The only way to ensure they get the same product is to literally have them all taking product to test from the same vial. I think even lately we have seen that different vials in the same kit can give varying results.

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                                      @BeeKind said:

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                                      LOL @ ILS being a measuring stick for anything. They are an absolute mess of a lab and have all of their employees working virtual. Absolute worst customer service and testing turn time of any lab in the field. Bottom of any list is the only place they should be.

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                                        @dispensarysupport I have a feeling we may be getting our answer on which labs we can trust pretty soon based on actual testing.

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                                        @Stevepep ive heard a similar rumor

                                        Accumark is very questionable.

                                        ILS....has issues

                                        Freedom.... im done with them.

                                        Trustpointe is solid.

                                        "If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"

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                                        • BeeKindB BeeKind

                                          @mitchmiller it is valid because they are ISO accredited - that's what that means and they DO NOT have a peptide scope- as shown on the chart. No one is accredited for peptides.

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                                          @BeeKind exactly.

                                          the ISO 17025 accreditation is just a general lab standard. Its not hard to get and it has no bearing on a labs ability to test peptides.

                                          "If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"

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