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    Stevepep
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    So I decided to send two samples to Krause for testing and comparison.

    Krause is very behind on the tech but still usable The process is long and requires filling out a customer request and then another form on the peptides. These are PDF forms. You mail them in with the samples and email them the tracking. About a week later I received an email with a link to quickbooks which contained my estimate which you approve or deny. I approved it and about 5 days later received a link to quickbooks to pay the amount due. I paid it and received the result with in hours.

    First off its klunky but they are cheap I paid $190 for two samples. I would do all of that again for that price. I also love the fact that they provide all of the data.

    The results. I am sorry but I am not buying 99.9pct purity. I am not saying its not possible but its unlikely. I am attaching the Chromate and Krause results. I will have results from BT labs as well. I don't have that yet though. Tesa Chromate .png 216347_Page_1.jpg 216347_Page_2.jpg 216347_Page_3.jpg

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      I am not a lab expert so love to hear from those of you who have more expertise. @randy what do you think? I have been told by a lab technician that 99.9 or 100pct is extremely unlikely. For the money I would love to send all my stuff to Krause

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        It's not just 99.9%, it's >99.9%.

        attentiion is all you need

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          See, it's about AUC - area under curve, but it also depends how wide is the base of what is accepted. If it is from 5.8 to 6.2 - it is 100%, but if it is for example 5.8 to 6.0 it will be less.838b1cbf-49aa-444a-a03d-1375689e57e1-image.jpeg

          attentiion is all you need

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            See, it's about AUC - area under curve, but it also depends how wide is the base of what is accepted. If it is from 5.8 to 6.2 - it is 100%, but if it is for example 5.8 to 6.0 it will be less.838b1cbf-49aa-444a-a03d-1375689e57e1-image.jpeg

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            @vpeps I guess the real question is, is this enough to be discouraged from using this lab? I will probably try again they don’t have a reputation of being a 99pct factory like other labs at least that I am aware of. The two reports are different I am interested to see what BT comes back with. Also I think Chromate tested this batch over 10x and the results look to be very close all 99.074 ish.

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              The Chromate COA is technically more rigorous and reliable.
              The presence of the tiny satellite peaks on the Chromate report is standard for synthetic peptides; their omission on the Krause report is a software/method limitation rather than proof of a "cleaner" sample. Both labs confirm the vial contains high-quality, authentic Tesamorelin, but Chromate provides the more accurate representation of its exact chemical breakdown.

              That being said, testing with either shows no doubt Tesa, and high purity. Plus the calculated potency amounts are close. How much again did the Chromate sample cost? More than $95?
              Krause may not be doing as some labs do, but what we want to know when we send in a sample is the ID, weight, and if it’s “good shit”. I think it’s a case of “good enough”. Don’t shoot me for my opinion please…. 😉

              Is waiting two weeks really that bad? Maybe so in this gotta have it next day Amazon.com world….

              Steve, you told me you sent in two samples. What happened to the second one? How did that turn out? Show that and the other lab for comparison please?

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                The Chromate COA is technically more rigorous and reliable.
                The presence of the tiny satellite peaks on the Chromate report is standard for synthetic peptides; their omission on the Krause report is a software/method limitation rather than proof of a "cleaner" sample. Both labs confirm the vial contains high-quality, authentic Tesamorelin, but Chromate provides the more accurate representation of its exact chemical breakdown.

                That being said, testing with either shows no doubt Tesa, and high purity. Plus the calculated potency amounts are close. How much again did the Chromate sample cost? More than $95?
                Krause may not be doing as some labs do, but what we want to know when we send in a sample is the ID, weight, and if it’s “good shit”. I think it’s a case of “good enough”. Don’t shoot me for my opinion please…. 😉

                Is waiting two weeks really that bad? Maybe so in this gotta have it next day Amazon.com world….

                Steve, you told me you sent in two samples. What happened to the second one? How did that turn out? Show that and the other lab for comparison please?

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                @mikebricker I will share the second sample I don’t have the results yet but I will share them from both labs. I kind of agree with you as long as it’s a real honest lab being a point off isn’t the end of the world if you can trust the results. For me it’s about being trustworthy. I think I will use Krause again if and until they let me down at least that’s currently how I feel

                Also the paperwork thing, waiting on emails, quick book links is a bit klunky imo

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                  @mikebricker I will share the second sample I don’t have the results yet but I will share them from both labs. I kind of agree with you as long as it’s a real honest lab being a point off isn’t the end of the world if you can trust the results. For me it’s about being trustworthy. I think I will use Krause again if and until they let me down at least that’s currently how I feel

                  Also the paperwork thing, waiting on emails, quick book links is a bit klunky imo

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                  @Stevepep I meant the second sample you sent to Krause. You get the results at the same time for all samples you submit.

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                    @Stevepep I meant the second sample you sent to Krause. You get the results at the same time for all samples you submit.

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                    @mikebricker the second one is part of a group buy sent to two other labs I can’t share it yet. I just said I will when I can. I don’t even have all the results. It’s paid for by the group. Not sure what you are looking for I think I gave a very honest review of Krause.

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                      @mikebricker the second one is part of a group buy sent to two other labs I can’t share it yet. I just said I will when I can. I don’t even have all the results. It’s paid for by the group. Not sure what you are looking for I think I gave a very honest review of Krause.

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                      @Stevepep yes, you did. It was just a question based on what you said about sending them two samples. No worries.

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                        As I think about the speed issue, @mikebricker is right about this having it take 2 weeks or even 3 shouldn’t be a concern we just want accuracy. A lab like Freedom has figured out speed is what many vendors crave they could care less about the accuracy of the results. We have one of those who posts on here. I guess I can’t blame freedom if the vendors don’t care and continue to use them and people continue to buy from those vendors the cycle continues. And we race to the bottom

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                          As I think about the speed issue, @mikebricker is right about this having it take 2 weeks or even 3 shouldn’t be a concern we just want accuracy. A lab like Freedom has figured out speed is what many vendors crave they could care less about the accuracy of the results. We have one of those who posts on here. I guess I can’t blame freedom if the vendors don’t care and continue to use them and people continue to buy from those vendors the cycle continues. And we race to the bottom

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                          @Stevepep I saw many STG vendors are flashing Freedom COAs now. Race to the bottom really! 😞

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                            @Stevepep I saw many STG vendors are flashing Freedom COAs now. Race to the bottom really! 😞

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                            @pep_researcher like I said freedom has figured out the market for many peptide vendors. Speed not accuracy is what they want. They turn over inventory because they don’t have the capital to wait two weeks for results. Many consumers are just Happy a COA exists and if the price is right they purchase. They just check that box to make themselves feel better. For the researcher things change quick and you become a very careful purchaser when you have had a reaction to a bad peptide. I would never buy a peptide from a vendor who uses freedom. It’s been proven they can’t be trusted and if the vendor uses them it tells me they don’t care they just want to get products out there as fast as possible. That’s just me. The issue is, if we don’t hold them accountable who will?

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