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Lab vs Lab, We tested 5 Labs using the same Kit.

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  • R ReallyRandy

    @Stevepep What do you mean?

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    @ReallyRandy it doesn’t appear to be a trustworthy lab. A google search tuned up some bad reviews. I have never heard of them so can’t comment. If I had to choose which results to believe I would favor Janoshik

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      @ReallyRandy it doesn’t appear to be a trustworthy lab. A google search tuned up some bad reviews. I have never heard of them so can’t comment. If I had to choose which results to believe I would favor Janoshik

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      @Stevepep Nexaph said 99% or your money back. I submitted the coa. They said they would only consider Janoshik, and that made me think Janoshik was bought off. Are they truly reliable?

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        @Stevepep Nexaph said 99% or your money back. I submitted the coa. They said they would only consider Janoshik, and that made me think Janoshik was bought off. Are they truly reliable?

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        @ReallyRandy Cain has little faith in these small labs. The three right now that people have high confidence in are AFI, Vanguard and Janoshik.

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          @ReallyRandy Cain has little faith in these small labs. The three right now that people have high confidence in are AFI, Vanguard and Janoshik.

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          @Stevepep Okay. Thank you

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            @ReallyRandy it doesn’t appear to be a trustworthy lab. A google search tuned up some bad reviews. I have never heard of them so can’t comment. If I had to choose which results to believe I would favor Janoshik

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            @Stevepep said:

            @ReallyRandy it doesn’t appear to be a trustworthy lab. A google search tuned up some bad reviews. I have never heard of them so can’t comment. If I had to choose which results to believe I would favor Janoshik

            MZ is a fine lab. Of course “Cain” doesn’t want his stuff tested elsewhere but he also overcharges everyone for peps for a living so….

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              Someone suggested telegram. How do I use it?

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                @ReallyRandy Cain has little faith in these small labs. The three right now that people have high confidence in are AFI, Vanguard and Janoshik.

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                @Stevepep dont forget trustpointe 😉

                "If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"

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                • RandyR Randy

                  @Stevepep dont forget trustpointe 😉

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                  @Randy my bad they are pricey though

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                    All this discussion makes me wary of my stock with some having COAs from Freedom, ILS, and a couple from Kovera.

                    Thankfully predominantly all have Vanguard.

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                      All this discussion makes me wary of my stock with some having COAs from Freedom, ILS, and a couple from Kovera.

                      Thankfully predominantly all have Vanguard.

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                      @pep_researcher
                      I wouldn’t worry about it. Freedom occasionally comes back with a left field result, but the other two seem to always come back close.

                      Please excuse my typos. Small Phone & Bad Eyes

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                      • RandyR Randy

                        @Stevepep dont forget trustpointe 😉

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                        @Randy thank you

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                          @pep_researcher
                          I wouldn’t worry about it. Freedom occasionally comes back with a left field result, but the other two seem to always come back close.

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                          @Commander Thank you

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                          • pep_researcherP pep_researcher

                            All this discussion makes me wary of my stock with some having COAs from Freedom, ILS, and a couple from Kovera.

                            Thankfully predominantly all have Vanguard.

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                            @pep_researcher Freedom has had very low content results. I just talked to Commander about this. They also got busted showing a result outside of the equipment's capabilities. They are legit IMO, just having some issues. ILS has had issues, but I think they will get things in order. All these new labs I would be very wary of. Kovera has recently made a major investment and is getting things set up. @commander is way ahead of me on this one he has tested at most of them. Just about everyone who has tested at Freedom has had a far different result when the same batch (some from the same pack) is tested at a different lab when it comes to content. Endotoxins at these labs are a total joke IMO. None of the videos of these labs show an environment to get accurate results. Sterility for sure; that's easy but not endotoxins. The truth is, it's nearly impossible to pass sterility and have toxic endotoxin levels. In that case, the endotoxins are very likely from the lab environment itself and not the peptide.

                            One thing to look for outside of testing is moisture in the vial; you can see this when material sticks to the sides of the vial. That is a problem in terms of degradation and creates an environment for bacterial growth. I would use those first, IMO, and filter. Nothing to go crazy over, but it's likely crappy manufacturing in an uncontrolled environment. We would see this in the nutraceutical space at crappy facilities.

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