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  • C Commander

    I think if we try to average the numbers from COAs we will just be chasing our tales…

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    @Commander I won't lie I sort of have been doing this, since I got mine tested and sometimes came above and sometimes came below. Curious are most people just going with what label they bought instead of the COA?

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      @Commander I won't lie I sort of have been doing this, since I got mine tested and sometimes came above and sometimes came below. Curious are most people just going with what label they bought instead of the COA?

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      @islander671 For me depends on the lab. So if it's Janoshik, I trust the numbers, and a vendor like Nexaph is testing 3 vials for ID, Purity, and Content If they're all different, like NAD+ 490, 525, 519, I just use 500. But like on Reta 24, when all 3 are above 28. something, I use 28. I just reconstituted these, so I had the numbers handy. Its a little different if they test one vial. The other thing is I find that the larger numbers have larger variations, like NAD+.

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        I don't see reta on their website, will they be selling or sold reta? New to this world, and this is seems to be a signal of who to trust in a world that seems really hard to find a trustworthy provider.

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        @islander671

        Eli Lilly has went after a lot of vendors for using the name "retatrutide" so all have slightly different naming conventions. You may see it at GLP-3 or GLP-3R or "Triple agonist" or some variation of their own names. Southern Aminos has it as SA-3R. Most will have a 3 and R in there somewhere for Reta just like Tirzepatide will probably have a 2 and T in their names.

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          I had a Nexaph 24mg retatrutide tested in Tucson. It came back with a disappointing 97%. But was was overfilled by 9mg 1000016760.jpg 1000016758.jpg ![1000016759.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1785697023373-Screenshot_20260802_115405_Messages.jpg Screenshot_20260802_115352_Messages.jpg Screenshot_20260802_115346_Messages.jpg 1000016759.jpg)

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            I had a Nexaph 24mg retatrutide tested in Tucson. It came back with a disappointing 97%. But was was overfilled by 9mg 1000016760.jpg 1000016758.jpg ![1000016759.jpg](/assets/uploads/files/1785697023373-Screenshot_20260802_115405_Messages.jpg Screenshot_20260802_115352_Messages.jpg Screenshot_20260802_115346_Messages.jpg 1000016759.jpg)

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            @ReallyRandy while the issue is you went to MZ Biolabs to test.

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              @ReallyRandy while the issue is you went to MZ Biolabs to test.

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              @Stevepep What do you mean?

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                @Stevepep What do you mean?

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                @ReallyRandy it doesn’t appear to be a trustworthy lab. A google search tuned up some bad reviews. I have never heard of them so can’t comment. If I had to choose which results to believe I would favor Janoshik

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                  @ReallyRandy it doesn’t appear to be a trustworthy lab. A google search tuned up some bad reviews. I have never heard of them so can’t comment. If I had to choose which results to believe I would favor Janoshik

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                  @Stevepep Nexaph said 99% or your money back. I submitted the coa. They said they would only consider Janoshik, and that made me think Janoshik was bought off. Are they truly reliable?

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                    @Stevepep Nexaph said 99% or your money back. I submitted the coa. They said they would only consider Janoshik, and that made me think Janoshik was bought off. Are they truly reliable?

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                    @ReallyRandy Cain has little faith in these small labs. The three right now that people have high confidence in are AFI, Vanguard and Janoshik.

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                      @ReallyRandy Cain has little faith in these small labs. The three right now that people have high confidence in are AFI, Vanguard and Janoshik.

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                      @Stevepep Okay. Thank you

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                        @ReallyRandy it doesn’t appear to be a trustworthy lab. A google search tuned up some bad reviews. I have never heard of them so can’t comment. If I had to choose which results to believe I would favor Janoshik

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                        @Stevepep said:

                        @ReallyRandy it doesn’t appear to be a trustworthy lab. A google search tuned up some bad reviews. I have never heard of them so can’t comment. If I had to choose which results to believe I would favor Janoshik

                        MZ is a fine lab. Of course “Cain” doesn’t want his stuff tested elsewhere but he also overcharges everyone for peps for a living so….

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                          Someone suggested telegram. How do I use it?

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                            @ReallyRandy Cain has little faith in these small labs. The three right now that people have high confidence in are AFI, Vanguard and Janoshik.

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                            @Stevepep dont forget trustpointe 😉

                            "If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"

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                              @Stevepep dont forget trustpointe 😉

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                              @Randy my bad they are pricey though

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                                All this discussion makes me wary of my stock with some having COAs from Freedom, ILS, and a couple from Kovera.

                                Thankfully predominantly all have Vanguard.

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                                  All this discussion makes me wary of my stock with some having COAs from Freedom, ILS, and a couple from Kovera.

                                  Thankfully predominantly all have Vanguard.

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                                  @pep_researcher
                                  I wouldn’t worry about it. Freedom occasionally comes back with a left field result, but the other two seem to always come back close.

                                  Please excuse my typos. Small Phone & Bad Eyes

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                                    @Stevepep dont forget trustpointe 😉

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                                    @Randy thank you

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                                      @pep_researcher
                                      I wouldn’t worry about it. Freedom occasionally comes back with a left field result, but the other two seem to always come back close.

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                                      @Commander Thank you

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                                        All this discussion makes me wary of my stock with some having COAs from Freedom, ILS, and a couple from Kovera.

                                        Thankfully predominantly all have Vanguard.

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                                        @pep_researcher Freedom has had very low content results. I just talked to Commander about this. They also got busted showing a result outside of the equipment's capabilities. They are legit IMO, just having some issues. ILS has had issues, but I think they will get things in order. All these new labs I would be very wary of. Kovera has recently made a major investment and is getting things set up. @commander is way ahead of me on this one he has tested at most of them. Just about everyone who has tested at Freedom has had a far different result when the same batch (some from the same pack) is tested at a different lab when it comes to content. Endotoxins at these labs are a total joke IMO. None of the videos of these labs show an environment to get accurate results. Sterility for sure; that's easy but not endotoxins. The truth is, it's nearly impossible to pass sterility and have toxic endotoxin levels. In that case, the endotoxins are very likely from the lab environment itself and not the peptide.

                                        One thing to look for outside of testing is moisture in the vial; you can see this when material sticks to the sides of the vial. That is a problem in terms of degradation and creates an environment for bacterial growth. I would use those first, IMO, and filter. Nothing to go crazy over, but it's likely crappy manufacturing in an uncontrolled environment. We would see this in the nutraceutical space at crappy facilities.

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