Any fans of Josh Holyfield and his ZestyRat brand?
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No COAs because it is bringing heat down… ya that doesn’t sound legit to me. Especially when 75% of vendors out here have COAs.
So is his reasoning “if I just sell the stuff and don’t show it is real I am ok”
Even if you attempt to sell fake coke it is still a crime. So his reasoning makes ZERO sense. In fact that draws more red flags for me. But everyone has to trust who they want.
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Josh usually give's well informed science based information and he presents technical information in a way that most non science people can understand. I can't really think of anyone on par with him that I have seen speak publicly on YouTube. He is most definitely not in the same class as the Black Card Ex-Chiropractor.
I saw the video where he talked about not asking for CofA's in the name of bringing down the heat on the industry. I understand why he was pushing that message but as a consumer, I obviously want CofA's. I really don't think he is doing to so he can sell shady research peps....that being said, I would probably consider changing the name..lol! I am also part of his Skool group and I have messaged him personally and he has given direct advice at no cost. Not a huge fan of the Christian Fundamentalist vibe in his group, but that is easy enough to ignore.
I also like Chris Duffin on YouTub. Honorable mention to Alex Kikel (TPC) but he is guilty of talking over most peoples heads.
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I’ve never seen a website so adamantly confident to a point of detriment, or even sounds like a dick. If this is your go to, welp sorry that just my .02cents. How confident to to say take our word that we have high quality stuff, we don’t publish our docs and blind trust because our founder has 22 years of integrity and we stand by our website of overpriced stuff. That’s right up there with that chiro black card who lost his license in California
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@jborja I can find no tests on any of their products. Id steer clear.
As far as his content there's a lot of AI slop mixed into whatever he is reading...but at least he isn't running around calling himself a doctor and cheating in the crossfit games
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I’ve looked at his products which now have Janoshik COAs but no batch numbers. Would you purchase?
@trumans-mama too zesty much better vendors with better prices and testing.
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@jborja I can find no tests on any of their products. Id steer clear.
As far as his content there's a lot of AI slop mixed into whatever he is reading...but at least he isn't running around calling himself a doctor and cheating in the crossfit games
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Ahh, well, I can see your point there. However, do you feel he has good education on what he provides for the peptide community?
@CWelsh I think he is ok for the most part but he does get things wrong sometimes and doesn't like it when you point it out politely and provide evidence through studies, he deletes and blocks you for doing that.
He also misses some really easy concepts but for the most part he is ok on his explinations.
I think there are way better YouTube Peptide people out there you can start with the list below. These are people who do interviews and know thier stuff they don't just do AI researched podcasts specific to one topic in a studio. They can talk to it in interviews and answer questions in great detail becasue they live it and or have clinical data and clients/patients they have worked with for decades.
1. Dr.Dwayne Jackson
2. Dr. Abu Bakari
2. Anthony Castore
3. Chriss Duffin
4. Alex Kikel
5. David Deasquita
5. Hunter Williams
6. Drew Donaldson - DDT Podcast
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@Randy - I was getting AI Vibes with some of his videos as well. Still the information comes across as mostly well thought out and rational.
@TrueNorth I think you are on point with Duffin and Alex Kikel, Holifield is ok for the most part but I would like to see him in an interview, I think there is a reason he only does AI researched single topic videos vs other legends in the game can sit sown and hash it out in detail on any question.
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@Randy there’s that. When he said I know the most about peptides and I only use two I just laughed and said peace out. Lots of misinformation as well. I stopped watching him a while ago.
@Stevepep I'm in the same boat as you. He's hard to watch for me now too. I actually commented on the only 2 peptides needed video stating "not everyone is looking to reach super physiological levels of testosterone and GH to blow themselves up like a water balloon. "
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@Stevepep I'm in the same boat as you. He's hard to watch for me now too. I actually commented on the only 2 peptides needed video stating "not everyone is looking to reach super physiological levels of testosterone and GH to blow themselves up like a water balloon. "
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@TrueNorth I think you are on point with Duffin and Alex Kikel, Holifield is ok for the most part but I would like to see him in an interview, I think there is a reason he only does AI researched single topic videos vs other legends in the game can sit sown and hash it out in detail on any question.
@bfuller - I think he is a solid starting point for people just getting into it. His SKOOL Group has an education section which is actually quite useful on anything from Peptides, to nutrition to training etc... If someone was just getting into training, supplements and peptides, I wouldn't hesitate to tell them to check out his education section.
I'm not doubting that most of that information is AI Generated but it is organized and presented in way that is genuinely helpful for anyone starting out.
I like your list, Dr Jackson is great and a fellow Canuck, but he doesn't post much content, but clearly he is incredibly informed on Anabolics.
I just became aware of Dr Bakari, I like him a lot.
Duffin and Castore are both great.
Not a huge Hunter fan at all.
I don't know the other guys yet, will check them out.
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I like Josh. His content is informative, if largely AI generated. I learned a lot from his videos. That being said, I joined his Skool right around the time he launched ZestyRat and promptly got banned when someone asked where to buy peptides and I suggested Nexaph. Apparently he banned a large % of his members for doing that, though the single most common question in his main skool channel is ‘where can I buy peptides?’ Because that is why everyone joins.
That pretty much turned me off his channel and he lost whatever personal training money he was going to get from me. I get that you’re building a brand and all, but banning members without warnings or guidelines when you know what the market is like is petty.
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He’s regurgitating AI, IMO. When I first started I asked AI questions. Multiple times he’s made videos that were word for word of what AI had answered to my questions a few months prior.
He’s regurgitating AI, IMO. When I first started I asked AI questions. Multiple times he’s made videos that were word for word of what AI had answered to my questions a few months prior.
I was just going to say this. I have been working with AI a lot, and when he says, “Here is where it gets interesting”, or “But this is what the research shows”, that is verbatim from an AI generated answer.
I am a Chris Williamson (podcast) junkie and one of the things he and a guest were talking about recently is that everybody in a given niche starts to talk like everyone else in the niche, so it is hard to tell if they are copying each other, or using AI script builders, or both, but eventually they all start to sound alike. At which point they lose any differentiating factors that might have made them special.
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@mfadden99, I agree with everything you said except it being clear that there was to be no outside links. When I read the rules it said to include any outside links that would be considered competition, and to not spam, farm or otherwise proposition group members in an attempt to sell them anything. The link was research and was in response to a linked posted by another member. Either way it doesn’t matter, it’s his community and he can run it however he wants, again I think his content is good, he seems extremely knowledgeable and can explain and breakdown peptides well. At the end of the day it just wasn’t a good fit for me.
@mfadden99, I agree with everything you said except it being clear that there was to be no outside links. When I read the rules it said to include any outside links that would be considered competition, and to not spam, farm or otherwise proposition group members in an attempt to sell them anything. The link was research and was in response to a linked posted by another member. Either way it doesn’t matter, it’s his community and he can run it however he wants, again I think his content is good, he seems extremely knowledgeable and can explain and breakdown peptides well. At the end of the day it just wasn’t a good fit for me.
He recently sent a video to his community going off about people contradicting his advice. He said he can't verify the sources and so it shouldn't be posted and nobody but him should be giving advice as he could be held responsible for my fallout and it reflects poorly on his brand.
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I like Josh. His content is informative, if largely AI generated. I learned a lot from his videos. That being said, I joined his Skool right around the time he launched ZestyRat and promptly got banned when someone asked where to buy peptides and I suggested Nexaph. Apparently he banned a large % of his members for doing that, though the single most common question in his main skool channel is ‘where can I buy peptides?’ Because that is why everyone joins.
That pretty much turned me off his channel and he lost whatever personal training money he was going to get from me. I get that you’re building a brand and all, but banning members without warnings or guidelines when you know what the market is like is petty.
I like Josh. His content is informative, if largely AI generated. I learned a lot from his videos. That being said, I joined his Skool right around the time he launched ZestyRat and promptly got banned when someone asked where to buy peptides and I suggested Nexaph. Apparently he banned a large % of his members for doing that, though the single most common question in his main skool channel is ‘where can I buy peptides?’ Because that is why everyone joins.
That pretty much turned me off his channel and he lost whatever personal training money he was going to get from me. I get that you’re building a brand and all, but banning members without warnings or guidelines when you know what the market is like is petty.
The way he presents his community is that he's going to give you that type of information but it's really to push his own products
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I found him soon in my peptide journey. He did help me and i ordered from him. I participated in his Skool community. Then he added a moderator. On the very FIRST day of the moderator, I got banned, lol.
Someone needed BAC water the very next day. She was going to order it from josh, but she wouldn’t have it for 5-7 days. Someone suggested she order from Amazon, next day delivery. I went on and posted a non-affiliate link to the lambda BAC water, because it tested good and said she should be safe with that one. When i went back on, I got deleted. I think his BAC water was $12 or $13 at the time. I thought it was rather petty. Probably if i had messaged him, I could have gotten back in. I do think it was by an overzealous new moderator. But, I had found this place!
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