Nexaph CJC/Ipa Test Results - A Lot Lower Than Janoshik’s
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What is SNP?
@josephbrown
It is Nexaph group on Telegram -
And I just got this in Telemess… Makes me wonder wjat is going on. I am new to these boards and Telemess, but just being new doesn’t mean, don’t share what you found - or does it?
@Commander STG is a cabal of sorts. Cain didnt want to play ball with them. Thats the short version. They keep plenty of vendors on their spreadsheet that have done egregious stuff. Good spot to browse for info either way
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@randy
I didn’t know where to put this post because there is no test results Category. So please move this to wherever it belongs.I sent out a Vial of Nexaph CJC/IPA to be tested at Freedom. It tested a lot lower than what Janoshik tested it at (for mass).
I always wondered why Nexaph would send their stuff overseas to Janoshik to be tested if they are here in the USA. Plus the vendor sponsored 3rd party test results also get sent to Janoshik. That didn’t sit well with me. So I sent a vial out myself. This is a big discrepancy in mass. Where it really makes a difference is for everyone using the numbers from the batch test results to figure out their recon dosage (I go by whatever the claimed bottle MG is, not the test results also).
I know there can be some variation from test lab to test lab, but if you compare these test results, they are off by a decent %.
@Commander Jano has been around the longest and some people just prefer it for that reason. Jano is notorious for showing higher numbers than other labs. I've consistently seen +/-10% differences between some labs. I've also seen jano test the same batch a week apart and have a 10% difference with 3 bottles each for both tests.
If nexaph or any other vendor was sending samples to another lab the results would likely vary.
you are doing the right thing here by not blindly trusting vendor and vendor sponsored testing.
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@Commander Jano has been around the longest and some people just prefer it for that reason. Jano is notorious for showing higher numbers than other labs. I've consistently seen +/-10% differences between some labs. I've also seen jano test the same batch a week apart and have a 10% difference with 3 bottles each for both tests.
If nexaph or any other vendor was sending samples to another lab the results would likely vary.
you are doing the right thing here by not blindly trusting vendor and vendor sponsored testing.
@Randy
10% up or down is actually what I was expecting. I am not good at match, but I think this test is about 40+% difference. Someone said it was 142% different. Again, I am not good at math, but that seems high.
I will also say it again. Even the numbers that the Freedom test came back with I am fine with, I will still order from Nexaph. I just don’t like the inconsistency with the lab results. I think that is a lab problem. I used Feedom because I found their info on this site and they are in the USA.
I would love to get to the bottom of why there is such a big difference in the numbers. But sadly I have come to the conclusion that it is not worth the effort and there are better things for me to spend my money on…
The next batch of my peptides I send for testing I will use one of the other labs you have listed on this site. I definitely won’t be posting those results. But you have said time and time again on here, test your stuff. I think that is the best advice. Everyone needs to actually spend their money and have their own stuff tested. Then they can decide if the trust the stuff or not. -
The SNP Telegram group just booted me for posting those results.
I am starting to realize that too many people in these Telegram groups and boards have a vested interest not to have clear transparent information out there. I mean arguing with me about a test report is crazy.
It is simple, we always say test your peptides, but why would we do that if we simply didn’t believe the results that we got or didn’t share them. It is more like- only tell us if it is favorable to us, otherwise keep your mouth shut or we will ban you or try to discredit you.
The peptide space unfortunately is not an unbias place and too many people have a steak in the game…@Commander You were not booted for your questions or your concerns, you were booted for insulting people who did not agree with you. ALL of your posts are all still there. I was there and watching and reading. I understood your concerns but you did not have to insult people when they did not share your outrage. You wanted others to share your view and when they didn't you insulted them. That was the line you crossed and it got you booted.
I agree that your results are interesting and show an underfill. I don't take vendor COA showing overfill as gospel truth. I try to average as many test results as possible. But your test is still just one vial out of possibly 1000's.
Any of my kits can have that range of fill. I understand that about grey.
I feel like what you want is an answer from Cain. So reach out to Cain.
But insulting people because they don't side with you doesn't help your cause. -
@Randy
10% up or down is actually what I was expecting. I am not good at match, but I think this test is about 40+% difference. Someone said it was 142% different. Again, I am not good at math, but that seems high.
I will also say it again. Even the numbers that the Freedom test came back with I am fine with, I will still order from Nexaph. I just don’t like the inconsistency with the lab results. I think that is a lab problem. I used Feedom because I found their info on this site and they are in the USA.
I would love to get to the bottom of why there is such a big difference in the numbers. But sadly I have come to the conclusion that it is not worth the effort and there are better things for me to spend my money on…
The next batch of my peptides I send for testing I will use one of the other labs you have listed on this site. I definitely won’t be posting those results. But you have said time and time again on here, test your stuff. I think that is the best advice. Everyone needs to actually spend their money and have their own stuff tested. Then they can decide if the trust the stuff or not.@Commander If I had unlimited resources I would send use a whole kit and send one vial to each lab and compare all the results. It is my understanding that due to lab differences it would be nearly impossible for them to all match. But it would be very interesting to see head to head results all from the same kit.
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@Commander You were not booted for your questions or your concerns, you were booted for insulting people who did not agree with you. ALL of your posts are all still there. I was there and watching and reading. I understood your concerns but you did not have to insult people when they did not share your outrage. You wanted others to share your view and when they didn't you insulted them. That was the line you crossed and it got you booted.
I agree that your results are interesting and show an underfill. I don't take vendor COA showing overfill as gospel truth. I try to average as many test results as possible. But your test is still just one vial out of possibly 1000's.
Any of my kits can have that range of fill. I understand that about grey.
I feel like what you want is an answer from Cain. So reach out to Cain.
But insulting people because they don't side with you doesn't help your cause.@burner1
They were insulting me. I asked questions. Like How do you come up with “the entire peptide community says Janoshik is the gold standard”
That is the equivalent of when someone says “they always say that”, I always ask who “they are”, never once got an answer. Too many people just repeat stuff they here on the internet, once it repeated so many times people think it is true. I never accept that. They were very aggressive to me I think Janoshik and Nexaph are bad. I never said one time Nexaph was bad. I said there, I say at Peepy’s and I say here, I love the Nexaph products.
My concern is the variation in lab reports… Freedom is listed on this site. That is why I used them. -
@Commander If I had unlimited resources I would send use a whole kit and send one vial to each lab and compare all the results. It is my understanding that due to lab differences it would be nearly impossible for them to all match. But it would be very interesting to see head to head results all from the same kit.
@commander @burner1 two pick a compound (no ss31). ill order it and get mass/purity from four labs. GLP or bpc would be my vote
"If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"
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@commander @burner1 two pick a compound (no ss31). ill order it and get mass/purity from four labs. GLP or bpc would be my vote
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@commander @burner1 two pick a compound (no ss31). ill order it and get mass/purity from four labs. GLP or bpc would be my vote
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@commander @burner1 two pick a compound (no ss31). ill order it and get mass/purity from four labs. GLP or bpc would be my vote
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@Randy love that you’re willing to do this!
Although I don’t think it’ll give us answers as to “why” different labs test differently … it’ll be interesting to see!
@hay_bayls said in Nexaph CJC/Ipa Test Results - A Lot Lower Than Janoshik’s:
@Randy love that you’re willing to do this!
Although I don’t think it’ll give us answers as to “why” different labs test differently … it’ll be interesting to see!
It may on. But if 3 out of the 4 are close, then maybe the oddball we might want to look out for in the future.
I don’t Freedom is an oddball always test low lab. Puratex sends their stuff to Freedom and I use their stuff too. My 40mg MOTS-C was tested at about 49mg from Freedom. If they had some weird testing protocol that always tested low, my MOTS-C would be Super MOTS-C!! -
@Randy
How about Rets and Mots-C?
Reta is considered GLP, right?Also I would like to contribute to the cost some.
@Commander mots is niche and a lower purity is usually accepted. It does degrade quicker in lio'd form than a glp.
Ive ordered a kit of reta from nexaph. Stay tuned.
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@Commander mots is niche and a lower purity is usually accepted. It does degrade quicker in lio'd form than a glp.
Ive ordered a kit of reta from nexaph. Stay tuned.
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Just an update..
I did email Cain a few days ago. He never replied to me. I have copied and paste my email to him below. As I am always the one that gets accused of being the aggressive one and the “hater” I wanted everyone to see what I emailed him so I don’t get reply post that say “ he probably didn’t reply because you insulted him or bla bla bla”
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Cain,
Attached are test results from Freedom for a vial of Nexaph CJC 5mg/5mg (CJCIPA502222026-07). As you’ll see, these results differ significantly from the ones reported by Janoshik for the same batch. The size of that discrepancy is concerning.
I want to be clear—this isn’t a complaint about your product. I’ve had a great experience overall and continue to trust what you offer. That said, I make a point to verify what I’m using, and consistency in testing matters.
There have long been rumors that Janoshik may present more favorable results for repeat clients, whether intentional or not. I’m not claiming that’s the case here, but the difference between these reports raises questions.
From a practical standpoint, it’s also worth considering why testing is being done overseas when there are reputable labs in the U.S. Additionally, while I appreciate that you support third-party testing, relying on the same lab each time somewhat defeats the purpose of independent verification. It’s similar to seeking a second opinion from the same doctor.
Again, I value your products and plan to continue purchasing, but I wanted to share this perspective because the situation doesn’t reflect well at face value.
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Testing is being done overseas because jano has been around for a decade and they dont make your samples sit for a month before getting to them.
Freedom, chromate and trustpointe have all had month long backups on testing before. Jano just gets it done. Im no fan of jano but thats the reality.
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@commander @burner1 two pick a compound (no ss31). ill order it and get mass/purity from four labs. GLP or bpc would be my vote
