The Tri-healing protocol for Shoulder and Knee: the tale of 2 lab rats
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To preface my comments, I had/have two torn shoulders. I would suggest adding MSM, Vit. C, and Hyaluronic Acid. It's important to provide your body with the raw materials to help recreate everything. Additionally, I ran KLOW, Cartalax, with the supplements previously mentioned and it has made a huge difference. I even fell off a ladder and landed on my elbow and my ribs hurt, but my shoulder was fine. I'm doing the same thing again in a few weeks.
@theckman80 said in The Tri-healing protocol for Shoulder and Knee: the tale of 2 lab rats:
To preface my comments, I had/have two torn shoulders. I would suggest adding MSM, Vit. C, and Hyaluronic Acid. It's important to provide your body with the raw materials to help recreate everything. Additionally, I ran KLOW, Cartalax, with the supplements previously mentioned and it has made a huge difference. I even fell off a ladder and landed on my elbow and my ribs hurt, but my shoulder was fine. I'm doing the same thing again in a few weeks.
Thanks for this. I just picked up some MSM this week, I'll look into the other 2, I do recall hearing about HA in the past.
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@gym.rat said in The Tri-healing protocol for Shoulder and Knee: the tale of 2 lab rats:
Any update on your progress? How is Cartalax treating you? I'm particularly interested in the arthritis symptoms since I'm planning to take Cartalax strictly for this reason as I have severe big toe arthritis from an old soccer injury. I have to have a fusion or joint replacement at some point, but I'm too young at this moment. Praying cartalax has some type of positive effect against osteoarthritis.
I added an update at the top. If it looks too messy, let me know and I'll revise it
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@mrnatural that is wonderful!
Did you experience any heaviness or stiffness in your knees when you first started the Cartalax?
@WisGal64 I'm glad this came up. I am feeling a little near pining site (near left shoulder). But nothing serious.
Also, When pinning, I find the syringe is a little more resistant.
As if Cartalax is a little less, I want to say, "lubricating" on the syringe compared to 157 or TB4. -
To preface my comments, I had/have two torn shoulders. I would suggest adding MSM, Vit. C, and Hyaluronic Acid. It's important to provide your body with the raw materials to help recreate everything. Additionally, I ran KLOW, Cartalax, with the supplements previously mentioned and it has made a huge difference. I even fell off a ladder and landed on my elbow and my ribs hurt, but my shoulder was fine. I'm doing the same thing again in a few weeks.
@theckman80 I will look into it asap. Thanks
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@WisGal64 I'm glad this came up. I am feeling a little near pining site (near left shoulder). But nothing serious.
Also, When pinning, I find the syringe is a little more resistant.
As if Cartalax is a little less, I want to say, "lubricating" on the syringe compared to 157 or TB4.@Juan-Doe said in The Tri-healing protocol for Shoulder and Knee: the tale of 2 lab rats:
@WisGal64 I'm glad this came up. I am feeling a little near pining site (near left shoulder). But nothing serious.
Also, When pinning, I find the syringe is a little more resistant.
As if Cartalax is a little less, I want to say, "lubricating" on the syringe compared to 157 or TB4.Yes I did notice that with the shoulder area, we thought it was due to scar tissue from previous surgeries or rat#1 just has tough skin lol
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@Juan-Doe said in The Tri-healing protocol for Shoulder and Knee: the tale of 2 lab rats:
@WisGal64 I'm glad this came up. I am feeling a little near pining site (near left shoulder). But nothing serious.
Also, When pinning, I find the syringe is a little more resistant.
As if Cartalax is a little less, I want to say, "lubricating" on the syringe compared to 157 or TB4.Yes I did notice that with the shoulder area, we thought it was due to scar tissue from previous surgeries or rat#1 just has tough skin lol
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To preface my comments, I had/have two torn shoulders. I would suggest adding MSM, Vit. C, and Hyaluronic Acid. It's important to provide your body with the raw materials to help recreate everything. Additionally, I ran KLOW, Cartalax, with the supplements previously mentioned and it has made a huge difference. I even fell off a ladder and landed on my elbow and my ribs hurt, but my shoulder was fine. I'm doing the same thing again in a few weeks.
@theckman80 After doing my own research, I ordered msm and hyaluronic acid (already take vit. c) and should be in soon. Thanks
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@Juan-Doe said in The Tri-healing protocol for Shoulder and Knee: the tale of 2 lab rats:
@WisGal64 As in takes a little more effort to push the syringe plunger.
Oh you mean like the pep is thicker?
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@theckman80 After doing my own research, I ordered msm and hyaluronic acid (already take vit. c) and should be in soon. Thanks
@Juan-Doe that is great! I hope you get as good, if not better results than I did. I (my wife) injected the KLOW and Cartalax sub q on each side. I know for the bpc, it can make a difference where you inject, but i wanted to be as sure as possible. The idea was, BPC'157 for better blood flow into the cartridge. Tb-500 for creatinine better/more collagen and extra cellular matrix. GHK-Cu for gene expression and all the other cool stuff it does. KPV for reduced inflammation. MSM/HA/Vit C to provide the building blocks for the collagen/cartridge. And Cartalax for as the bioregulator to turn on chondrocyte production/gene expression.
I will say, taking the MSM/HA/Vit C in the morning and the shots at jight seemed like a good idea to me. It takes time to breakout all down and have it be available. Additionally, Vit-C and GHK-Cu are supposed to be taken at different times when applying topicly, soni figured id play it safe with the pills/injections.
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To preface my comments, I had/have two torn shoulders. I would suggest adding MSM, Vit. C, and Hyaluronic Acid. It's important to provide your body with the raw materials to help recreate everything. Additionally, I ran KLOW, Cartalax, with the supplements previously mentioned and it has made a huge difference. I even fell off a ladder and landed on my elbow and my ribs hurt, but my shoulder was fine. I'm doing the same thing again in a few weeks.
@theckman80 what is the dosing protocol for the hyaluronic acid? is it sub Q or oral?
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@theckman80 what is the dosing protocol for the hyaluronic acid? is it sub Q or oral?
@brandenscheidecker I took 600mg of low molecular weight HA per day oral route (PO). I've continued to take that same amount. The best way to take it would be in the joint and high molecular weight, but that would be gnarly! So, low molecular weight PO.is the way to go as far as I've seen.
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do you have any update on subject #2. I have subject with both the shoulder and the knee issues. he's been told he needs a knee replacement and shoulder replacement, but that he's still "too young". so he wants to try and improve quality of life now, rather than waiting until the doctor decides he's old enough.
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do you have any update on subject #2. I have subject with both the shoulder and the knee issues. he's been told he needs a knee replacement and shoulder replacement, but that he's still "too young". so he wants to try and improve quality of life now, rather than waiting until the doctor decides he's old enough.
@carolynelrod said in The Tri-healing protocol for Shoulder and Knee: the tale of 2 lab rats:
do you have any update on subject #2. I have subject with both the shoulder and the knee issues. he's been told he needs a knee replacement and shoulder replacement, but that he's still "too young". so he wants to try and improve quality of life now, rather than waiting until the doctor decides he's old enough.
Hi @carolynelrod i added update #4 to the post for reference
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@WisGal64 Hi, I have been using KLOW (.5, .5, .5 and 2.5 GHK), cartalax (3mg) daily for 2.5 months. Injected at the knees for OA. I rotate KLOW and Cartalax side to side.
Knee caps very sore and medial compartment has the most OA.
I combined this with shockwave therapy. 3 session, will go back for 1-2 sessions after a small break
I could not walk without serious pain. Forget going down the steps. Walking nearly pain free now. I have Synvisc One injections intra articular in the AM at my ortho. So far so good. Still probably gonna have to get a TKR but for now it's been a great relief. Get me through the summer and deal with it in the winter@MrNatural Sounds so much better than a steroid shot
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@juan-doe That could also be that the plug in the cartridge is a little canted or ‘sticky’ in the cartridge. I have had a couple of times now where depressing the button on the pen had a huge amount of resistance and almost wouldn’t dispense. Two different pens, two different peptides.
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@juan-doe That could also be that the plug in the cartridge is a little canted or ‘sticky’ in the cartridge. I have had a couple of times now where depressing the button on the pen had a huge amount of resistance and almost wouldn’t dispense. Two different pens, two different peptides.
@ResearchCat This is happening with syringes. I have noticed that the way I hold and apply pressure helps. Its a work in progress.
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That is weird. Can you see any gelling or globs in the vial? The only time i have seen that issue with a syringe was with some ARA that had formed some little globs.
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@wisgal64 I was so glad to find this thread. Have left knee outer portion giving me fits and right shoulder as well; guess Cartalax is next. Tirz, NAD+, GHKcu (to be replaced by GLOW or KLOW), then Cartalax. Already take the supps you named. Where are you injecting on knee? I know you said biceps on and shoulder, correct? Is knee pin direct or above the area to move with blood flow?
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