Gum Health
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I use a water pick a few times a week, it has made a huge difference in my gum health.
@brandenscheidecker I've been using one a couple times a week for a year now, and it's not making any improvements for me. I'm not great at flossing regularly maybe twice a week if I remember. I know a lot of this could have been prevented if I was taught proper dental hygiene at a young age. I also had a calcium issue that caused the plaque to build up faster than most, causing me to need "deep" cleanings twice a year, now I'm on perio maintenance visits 4 times a year. I had a parathyroid removed and that fixed my calcium issue but not the plaque.
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@brandenscheidecker I've been using one a couple times a week for a year now, and it's not making any improvements for me. I'm not great at flossing regularly maybe twice a week if I remember. I know a lot of this could have been prevented if I was taught proper dental hygiene at a young age. I also had a calcium issue that caused the plaque to build up faster than most, causing me to need "deep" cleanings twice a year, now I'm on perio maintenance visits 4 times a year. I had a parathyroid removed and that fixed my calcium issue but not the plaque.
@brandenscheidecker I've been using one a couple times a week for a year now, and it's not making any improvements for me. I'm not great at flossing regularly maybe twice a week if I remember. I know a lot of this could have been prevented if I was taught proper dental hygiene at a young age. I also had a calcium issue that caused the plaque to build up faster than most, causing me to need "deep" cleanings twice a year, now I'm on perio maintenance visits 4 times a year. I had a parathyroid removed and that fixed my calcium issue but not the plaque.
Me as well until a couple of years ago when I started working so much. Here's something else though. Finally, a couple of different dentists have told me that because I'm of Irish and Scot ancestry, keeping teeth in good shape is extra, EXTRA difficult. If this matches with your situation, know that it is genetics, it cannot be overcome, but it can be resisted and improved somewhat. I have one friend who wants to have all her teeth pulled and all implants installed. I'm beginning to understand why.
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@eleanor a full set of implants would be terribly expensive and extremely disruptive for a long time. Just a gum graft is 6+ weeks recovery and costs a couple grand. Implants start around $4k per tooth.
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@eleanor a full set of implants would be terribly expensive and extremely disruptive for a long time. Just a gum graft is 6+ weeks recovery and costs a couple grand. Implants start around $4k per tooth.
@ResearchCat My friend just returned from Turkey where he had around 20 teeth implanted in a clinic in Istanbul. It was less than 10K. It looks good. The service he said was top notch. He had to travel 2 times there though.
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doing implants to take care of gum recession is ridiculous. you do not remove a tooth because of recession unless it is severe like 9+mm of gum recession.
You are actually talking about periodontal disease not gum recession? I've been in dentistry since 1986. I've worked for some great dentists and some real shady ones.
the problem with getting dental work done out of country is most dentists dont want to touch that work (like adjustments or even answer questions about the out of country work) -
I had grafts years ago and maybe it's improved in the last couple of decades but found it temporary. I'm almost right back where I started.
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@PeptideEd once the bone is gone, its pretty much gone. getting your teeth cleaned every 3 months is great even for a healthy mouth. there are a few newer modalities that can help quite a bit. Perio Protect Trays use a low percent hydrogen peroxide gel. Ive seen some good results with that. water pick adding mouth wash to the water. I really like Xylitol based mouth washes. consistency is the key with everything (home care and professional care) All that being said, I am a normal human that flosses irregularly and I sometimes scrub too hard with my toothbrush.
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@valgal Any opinions on LANAP (Laser-Assisted New Attachment Procedure) for bone restoration?
@PeptideEd If my memory serves correctly, that help remove any necrotic tissue and sterilize the pocket. following upwith ozone will also help heal the pocket. But i dont believe it will grow bone. I've seen okay results with LANAP with without it cause more recession. When I was training with LANAP I thought well this is gonna cause the gums to recede. But the few causes I saw, no additional recession.
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I really do need a water pic but water spray hurts my teeth. Any suggestions? Currently use electric toothbrush.
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@Eleanor if its sensitivity issues I found warm water makes a huge difference for me. Cold water hurts.
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Depends on how severely your gum health has degraded. In early stage gum disease, LL-37 is a helpful peptide that naturally combats peridontitis. It directly disrupts bacteria & toxins, and dental plaque biofilms. It is also immunomodulatory and has tissue regernerating properties. BUT, in advanced gum disease, bacterial DNA can bind with LL-37, which can render the peptide inactive and actually trigger more bacteria & chronic inflammation. This is because as the dental plaque bacteria die off, they release extracellular DNA. This DNA binds tightly to LL-37, forming a stable complex which can act as a matrix for more bacterial accumulation and trigger chronic inflammatory responses in the gums. So if you have severe issues, you are probably better off with clinical treatment first like localized slow release antibiotics.
From a personal study, one of my subjects recently had full mouth dental implants which required removing all teeth, removing some bone and then placing 12 implants into the bone. A temporary dental prosthesis was attached to the implants the day of the surgery. Normally this temporary prosthesis would be worn for 8-12 weeks while the gum tissues healed. At my subjects 2 week follow-up, the surgeon was amazed because the gum tissues had already completely closed up and healed. My subject was on a regimen of KLOW, LL-37, cartalax and epitalon.
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Depends on how severely your gum health has degraded. In early stage gum disease, LL-37 is a helpful peptide that naturally combats peridontitis. It directly disrupts bacteria & toxins, and dental plaque biofilms. It is also immunomodulatory and has tissue regernerating properties. BUT, in advanced gum disease, bacterial DNA can bind with LL-37, which can render the peptide inactive and actually trigger more bacteria & chronic inflammation. This is because as the dental plaque bacteria die off, they release extracellular DNA. This DNA binds tightly to LL-37, forming a stable complex which can act as a matrix for more bacterial accumulation and trigger chronic inflammatory responses in the gums. So if you have severe issues, you are probably better off with clinical treatment first like localized slow release antibiotics.
From a personal study, one of my subjects recently had full mouth dental implants which required removing all teeth, removing some bone and then placing 12 implants into the bone. A temporary dental prosthesis was attached to the implants the day of the surgery. Normally this temporary prosthesis would be worn for 8-12 weeks while the gum tissues healed. At my subjects 2 week follow-up, the surgeon was amazed because the gum tissues had already completely closed up and healed. My subject was on a regimen of KLOW, LL-37, cartalax and epitalon.
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@brithus Thanks for that. I am probably going to get the gum graft at some point and was thinking KLOW during recovery would be helpful. Not loving the idea of 2-4 weeks of pudding and no exercise though.
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