Enclomiphene sourcing
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@stones67 going to try enclo on my research fox. Are there any peps that he should avoid? Or anything you would recommend he watch out for? He’s pined several peps but for some reason he’s hesitant with enclo. He says that it feels like a different beast entirely.
@WesEqualshXc
Kisspeptin comes to mind as it will just muddy the waters. Probably also be mindful of anything that would result in high IGF levels- like IGF1-LR3, due to negative feedback potential. The main thing to remember is that sourcing is a crap shoot- there is no easy way to confirm that what you're getting isn't just zuclomiphene. And while not the end of the world in the short term, sides can take time to resolve given its extended half life. So you should listen to your hesitation and vet it out. This is a short-term exploration for me. I can always 'optimize' with the injectable stuff- but that comes with a list of shortcomings as well. -
@stones67 great info. Thanks! You basically just confirmed most of my hesitations. I think I’ll hold off for now. It’s been hard trying to find a solution for a low T fox that is in his mid 30s and still might have a litter of kits in the future.
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@stones67 great info. Thanks! You basically just confirmed most of my hesitations. I think I’ll hold off for now. It’s been hard trying to find a solution for a low T fox that is in his mid 30s and still might have a litter of kits in the future.
@WesEqualshXc
Seems like you're up to speed. Without knowing your specific situation then I will just throw out there Kisspeptin once again, and research HCG if you haven't already. One is easy to obtain and try, The other not so much! -
@gym.rat
Wait, can't see the end of the road due to all the floaters! JK. That was in poor taste and will probably bring me bad Karma. I take it back! I'm sure TRT is in my future. Just want to be able to look back and know I tried my best to go down swinging! Injecting the stuff just seems so.....final. Instead I'll probably want to kick myself for diddling around so long! -
@quicksilver80 its a real fear. any enclo ive found has been clomid
@Randy which is 1000 percent why ive been trepidatious
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Looking to find a good source for enclomiphene. It has been suggested by a couple people after they have seen my blood test results. I dont know much about it except that it blocks estrogen receptors to trick the body into testosterone production. My test is at 275 total and 56 free, so I definitely need to try something before I commit to TRT the rest of my life. Anyone have any good sources to suggest?
@stevencarter algorx
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Looking to find a good source for enclomiphene. It has been suggested by a couple people after they have seen my blood test results. I dont know much about it except that it blocks estrogen receptors to trick the body into testosterone production. My test is at 275 total and 56 free, so I definitely need to try something before I commit to TRT the rest of my life. Anyone have any good sources to suggest?
Looking to find a good source for enclomiphene. It has been suggested by a couple people after they have seen my blood test results. I dont know much about it except that it blocks estrogen receptors to trick the body into testosterone production. My test is at 275 total and 56 free, so I definitely need to try something before I commit to TRT the rest of my life. Anyone have any good sources to suggest?
Umbrella Labs. Look for sale prices on holidays. Memorial Day they has 25% off, for example.
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I found this source has it. Not sure how they are. I just found out about them.
https://algorx.ai/treatments -
This is a cool thread. My sources have been Swiss Chems and Kimera thus far. I've lurked both umbrella and algorx. I think a more fundamental issue is- what's in it. What are you actually receiving in your capsule or jar of powder? Here's my understanding: a clean COA with hplc is not as helpful as we'd typically like because we want the trans isomer. The cis isomer in zuclomiphene (clomid) will have the same peak and molecular weight. My limited research suggests that specialized testing is actually needed in order to confirm enclomiphene- referred to as chiral hplc or enantiomeric purity testing. Am I correct in this and has anyone investigating a source seen this type of testing? If not, does anyone have a testing solution for this more specific type of compound investigation? I might consider spending some $$$ on this issue and submit samples for analysis. Open to anyone's thoughts or ideas.
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@stones67 if you do find a good testing solution I’d be willing to pitch in and help with the cost.
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I did read umbrella had a coa for theirs on the site. If that helps.
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Have emails out to MZ labs which performed the COA on the Kimera Chems I have. Also sent one to Calmeric Analytics as this was Grok's recommendation. At this point I will wait to hear back from those two. If folks know of another potential source for this type of analysis please post it and I'll investigate.
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I did read umbrella had a coa for theirs on the site. If that helps.
@quicksilver80
Hey quick. Checked umbrella. Looks like the same COA issue. Not isomer specific. I'm digging in like tick! Gonna sort this out- at least I hope! Cheers. -
Any news?
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Any news?
@quicksilver80
Sent 2 emails Friday. Crickets so far but it was a Friday afternoon. I'd call be strangely no phone number is listed. LOL. I won't be shy if I get some feedback. Have a few other recs from AI sources. I'll keep working the problem. -
I feel like this shouldnt be a problem for us. But here we sit lmao.
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I'll probably have to go to Plan B- the Janoshik route. I know I saw a video where that Peter guy said they run powders but don't really like to. Can't wait to go to my local UPS store and arrange international shipping! Fun times.
@Stones67 couldn't you just sell 3 or 4 pills? From the afformentioned companies. Labeled as such. I mean if the mail looks into it. Its going to a lab for testing. I guess?
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Currently reading through the 260 page enclomiphene thread on meso. Good lord wish me luck.
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This is a cool thread. My sources have been Swiss Chems and Kimera thus far. I've lurked both umbrella and algorx. I think a more fundamental issue is- what's in it. What are you actually receiving in your capsule or jar of powder? Here's my understanding: a clean COA with hplc is not as helpful as we'd typically like because we want the trans isomer. The cis isomer in zuclomiphene (clomid) will have the same peak and molecular weight. My limited research suggests that specialized testing is actually needed in order to confirm enclomiphene- referred to as chiral hplc or enantiomeric purity testing. Am I correct in this and has anyone investigating a source seen this type of testing? If not, does anyone have a testing solution for this more specific type of compound investigation? I might consider spending some $$$ on this issue and submit samples for analysis. Open to anyone's thoughts or ideas.
@Stones67 I’ve used clomid off and on for a couple decades now and took an interest in enclomiphene when it became more available.
From my research yes, some were questioning if it was indeed enclomiphene or clomid. And some did mention the difficulty of testing a few years ago. So me I tried to source a place that has a good reputation and I too went with Kimera for both powder and liquids.
I can only my personal experience with this stuff. My starting labs were not applicable but my end labs would take me to 700s on total with 6.25mg EoD. Duration for about 3-4 months and stop using.
I always went with lower dosing as past trying typical doses with clomid had the sides like emotions. But no eye issues like people worry about.
Enclomiphene is much “cleaner” feeling.
I know about the other methods for trt but unsure if those can be discussed here.
2 schools of thought. 1. You take enclomiphene for a period of time to boost levels and get off. 2. You’re on this indefinitely.
If you’re on it indefinitely without concerns of fertility you might want to consider the other option. Enclomiphene is also more expensive to run longer term.
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