Enclomiphene sourcing
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Natural T was at 677.
Sourced Enclo from kimera.
I added 6.25mg of enclomiphene daily and it went up to 847.
Went up to 12.5mg daily at it went up to 1182!
Estradiol jumped to 61 though, so I’m going to back it off to 12.5mg EOD and see what those numbers look like. -
Went with a lighter approach on the budget. Trying dim200 to help with lowering est and freeing more useable test. Enclos just not recession friendly lol
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Both nolvadex and clomid have been tried and true. Why not give them a shot.
@documentswitch hear clomid has HORRIBLE sides from anyone who hears you utter its name. Regularly see it disliked in meso and the like.
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It's a short protocol, I think it's worth a shot.
Also most of those guys are coming off heavy steroid use, making their recovery process much more difficult. -
It's a short protocol, I think it's worth a shot.
Also most of those guys are coming off heavy steroid use, making their recovery process much more difficult.@documentswitch tbh im just trying to tighten myself up. Drop some water retention and maybe get the puffyness outta my chest.i know my test levels were low some 60 pounds ago but. Im also not exactly running 500 tren 300 eq and 500 test being natty af
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I've read that enclomiphene while raising testosterone, does not produce the same positive effect as it feels with exogenous T, allegedly at least in part because it also lowers igf-1 among other things.
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I ran Enclomiphene from 9/12 to 10/31 so about 6-7weeks dosing 12.5mg 3x a week. I just did my lab test today to see what my Testosterone will be. Before I did Enclo my Test was at 513 and my Estradiol was at 23 from 7/17 lab test. So I will report back what it increased to, if it did during my research of Enclomiphene.
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I ran Enclomiphene from 9/12 to 10/31 so about 6-7weeks dosing 12.5mg 3x a week. I just did my lab test today to see what my Testosterone will be. Before I did Enclo my Test was at 513 and my Estradiol was at 23 from 7/17 lab test. So I will report back what it increased to, if it did during my research of Enclomiphene.
@denti are you going to do a random draw 3-4 hours post dose? From my understanding your peak levels are 3-4 hours post dose so that would be the best blood draw timing. A morning fasted draw based on what I have researched in studies, the levels would only be slightly above pre-encomiphene therapy basline.
I'm currently waiting for an appointment to get labs as I've been on 12.5 mgs for around 50 days and I'm wondering how everyone else is comparing their baslines for this HRT to know if it is effective in their N=1 experiments. So i;'m interested ifany clinicaians have made recomendations for lab work and timing
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@denti are you going to do a random draw 3-4 hours post dose? From my understanding your peak levels are 3-4 hours post dose so that would be the best blood draw timing. A morning fasted draw based on what I have researched in studies, the levels would only be slightly above pre-encomiphene therapy basline.
I'm currently waiting for an appointment to get labs as I've been on 12.5 mgs for around 50 days and I'm wondering how everyone else is comparing their baslines for this HRT to know if it is effective in their N=1 experiments. So i;'m interested ifany clinicaians have made recomendations for lab work and timing
@bfuller Based on my limited data, most places take labs after 6-8 weeks and then every 3 months to monitor hematocrit and estradiol.
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Clomid is old dirty enclomiphene, with the clean version the old clomid has basically no place in men's testosterone conversation, the zoclomephine component takes months to clear the system and is responsible for extra negative side effects like vision changes.
Far as dosing and testing testosterone I was doing 25mg M-w-f and a Monday morning draw was 670something. 12.5mg daily at night to align with pushing the natural pulse and the following morning was 717, 2 weeks off and it was 314. Enclomiphene half life is short but Test stays elevated at least a few days.
It is a useful compound, seems to have a better side effect profile than clomid, not invasive and if you stop clear in 2 weeks and you are at your baseline not cratered like TRT would have you when quitting. Blocking estrogen receptors though I do believe leaves benefits on the table, it isn't a TRT replacement but seems to be a good compromise or bridge to see if raising T really will help you feel better
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Well this is a bit surprising. My total T was 513 mid July. I then started Enclomiphene Sept 12th taking 12.5mg 3x a week. I took my last dose Oct 31. I had my lab work done 6days later on Nov 6th and just got my results back. My total T dropped to 483.
I for sure thought it would have gone up using Enclomiphene for 6 weeks. Not sure what to think now. Was I taking just bunk pills even though it has a COA.
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Well this is a bit surprising. My total T was 513 mid July. I then started Enclomiphene Sept 12th taking 12.5mg 3x a week. I took my last dose Oct 31. I had my lab work done 6days later on Nov 6th and just got my results back. My total T dropped to 483.
I for sure thought it would have gone up using Enclomiphene for 6 weeks. Not sure what to think now. Was I taking just bunk pills even though it has a COA.
@denti
Its possible. Could have been clomid. Could have been nothing at all. Same rules apply here as peptides. See my COA postings Aug 29 comparing Swiss Chems, Kimera, and Empower and the absence of the zuclomiphene isomer from those sources. Also, almost a week between discontinuation of enclo and lab testing is definitely a stretch. Early AM blood draw? How about free T, E2, SHBG, FSH, LH before and after? -
@denti
Its possible. Could have been clomid. Could have been nothing at all. Same rules apply here as peptides. See my COA postings Aug 29 comparing Swiss Chems, Kimera, and Empower and the absence of the zuclomiphene isomer from those sources. Also, almost a week between discontinuation of enclo and lab testing is definitely a stretch. Early AM blood draw? How about free T, E2, SHBG, FSH, LH before and after?@denti
Its possible. Could have been clomid. Could have been nothing at all. Same rules apply here as peptides. See my COA postings Aug 29 comparing Swiss Chems, Kimera, and Empower and the absence of the zuclomiphene isomer from those sources. Also, almost a week between discontinuation of enclo and lab testing is definitely a stretch. Early AM blood draw? How about free T, E2, SHBG, FSH, LH before and after?Was 9:15am draw
Here are the before and after (July)/Nov)
total T: 513/483
Free T: 73.6/79.8
E2: waiting on results
SHBG: 41/32
FSH: 5.3/4.7
LH: 7.7/4.4I’d appreciate your opinion on what you think with the numbers posted.
I really thought it was working as I was having some of the side effects like irritability, hot flashes type of feeling, ravenous hunger. I thought I would be at 700+. I’m so confused why it dropped.
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Yikes...So. There are some clues here. Look at your LH/ FSH. Both DECREASED- the opposite of what enclomiphene should have produced, SHBG crashed as well. This strongly suggests enclomiphene was NOT what you took. This plus the side effects you mentioned imply you were actually exposed to an oral AAS or possibly a SARM. Run your scenario through your favorite clanker. I think it will agree. The only way to know would be to test it but clearly I wouldn't take any more of it!
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@denti
Its possible. Could have been clomid. Could have been nothing at all. Same rules apply here as peptides. See my COA postings Aug 29 comparing Swiss Chems, Kimera, and Empower and the absence of the zuclomiphene isomer from those sources. Also, almost a week between discontinuation of enclo and lab testing is definitely a stretch. Early AM blood draw? How about free T, E2, SHBG, FSH, LH before and after?Was 9:15am draw
Here are the before and after (July)/Nov)
total T: 513/483
Free T: 73.6/79.8
E2: waiting on results
SHBG: 41/32
FSH: 5.3/4.7
LH: 7.7/4.4I’d appreciate your opinion on what you think with the numbers posted.
I really thought it was working as I was having some of the side effects like irritability, hot flashes type of feeling, ravenous hunger. I thought I would be at 700+. I’m so confused why it dropped.
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