Enclomiphene sourcing
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Well this is a bit surprising. My total T was 513 mid July. I then started Enclomiphene Sept 12th taking 12.5mg 3x a week. I took my last dose Oct 31. I had my lab work done 6days later on Nov 6th and just got my results back. My total T dropped to 483.
I for sure thought it would have gone up using Enclomiphene for 6 weeks. Not sure what to think now. Was I taking just bunk pills even though it has a COA.
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Well this is a bit surprising. My total T was 513 mid July. I then started Enclomiphene Sept 12th taking 12.5mg 3x a week. I took my last dose Oct 31. I had my lab work done 6days later on Nov 6th and just got my results back. My total T dropped to 483.
I for sure thought it would have gone up using Enclomiphene for 6 weeks. Not sure what to think now. Was I taking just bunk pills even though it has a COA.
@denti
Its possible. Could have been clomid. Could have been nothing at all. Same rules apply here as peptides. See my COA postings Aug 29 comparing Swiss Chems, Kimera, and Empower and the absence of the zuclomiphene isomer from those sources. Also, almost a week between discontinuation of enclo and lab testing is definitely a stretch. Early AM blood draw? How about free T, E2, SHBG, FSH, LH before and after? -
@denti
Its possible. Could have been clomid. Could have been nothing at all. Same rules apply here as peptides. See my COA postings Aug 29 comparing Swiss Chems, Kimera, and Empower and the absence of the zuclomiphene isomer from those sources. Also, almost a week between discontinuation of enclo and lab testing is definitely a stretch. Early AM blood draw? How about free T, E2, SHBG, FSH, LH before and after?@denti
Its possible. Could have been clomid. Could have been nothing at all. Same rules apply here as peptides. See my COA postings Aug 29 comparing Swiss Chems, Kimera, and Empower and the absence of the zuclomiphene isomer from those sources. Also, almost a week between discontinuation of enclo and lab testing is definitely a stretch. Early AM blood draw? How about free T, E2, SHBG, FSH, LH before and after?Was 9:15am draw
Here are the before and after (July)/Nov)
total T: 513/483
Free T: 73.6/79.8
E2: waiting on results
SHBG: 41/32
FSH: 5.3/4.7
LH: 7.7/4.4I’d appreciate your opinion on what you think with the numbers posted.
I really thought it was working as I was having some of the side effects like irritability, hot flashes type of feeling, ravenous hunger. I thought I would be at 700+. I’m so confused why it dropped.
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Yikes...So. There are some clues here. Look at your LH/ FSH. Both DECREASED- the opposite of what enclomiphene should have produced, SHBG crashed as well. This strongly suggests enclomiphene was NOT what you took. This plus the side effects you mentioned imply you were actually exposed to an oral AAS or possibly a SARM. Run your scenario through your favorite clanker. I think it will agree. The only way to know would be to test it but clearly I wouldn't take any more of it!
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@denti
Its possible. Could have been clomid. Could have been nothing at all. Same rules apply here as peptides. See my COA postings Aug 29 comparing Swiss Chems, Kimera, and Empower and the absence of the zuclomiphene isomer from those sources. Also, almost a week between discontinuation of enclo and lab testing is definitely a stretch. Early AM blood draw? How about free T, E2, SHBG, FSH, LH before and after?Was 9:15am draw
Here are the before and after (July)/Nov)
total T: 513/483
Free T: 73.6/79.8
E2: waiting on results
SHBG: 41/32
FSH: 5.3/4.7
LH: 7.7/4.4I’d appreciate your opinion on what you think with the numbers posted.
I really thought it was working as I was having some of the side effects like irritability, hot flashes type of feeling, ravenous hunger. I thought I would be at 700+. I’m so confused why it dropped.
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Yikes...So. There are some clues here. Look at your LH/ FSH. Both DECREASED- the opposite of what enclomiphene should have produced, SHBG crashed as well. This strongly suggests enclomiphene was NOT what you took. This plus the side effects you mentioned imply you were actually exposed to an oral AAS or possibly a SARM. Run your scenario through your favorite clanker. I think it will agree. The only way to know would be to test it but clearly I wouldn't take any more of it!
Yikes...So. There are some clues here. Look at your LH/ FSH. Both DECREASED- the opposite of what enclomiphene should have produced, SHBG crashed as well. This strongly suggests enclomiphene was NOT what you took. This plus the side effects you mentioned imply you were actually exposed to an oral AAS or possibly a SARM. Run your scenario through your favorite clanker. I think it will agree. The only way to know would be to test it but clearly I wouldn't take any more of it!
This is the COA
https://modifiedaminos.shop/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Enclomiphene-Lot-MA-ENC-101-IE55.pdfBut I will trash the remaining bottles per your advice. Is there anyone actually selling a legitimate version of Enclo? I would like to raise my T levels without going to TRT
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You can try this website, they have a USA only warehouse now. I use the Canadian warehouse and can't see the US site becasue of my IP address so not sure if they offer the same products. Janoshik tested and the enclomiphene sells out often. I am going for more labs soon I have been using the enclomiphene for 50 days now so i will have objective markers soon on 12.5 mgs for 6 weeks. below is the initial 2.5 weeks at 6.25 mgs and the markers moved in the right direction but i increased to 12.5 becasue testosterone wasn't very significant.
Two weeks in Labs on only 6.25 mgs my FSH went from - 3.6 to 4.0 LH from - 4.1 to 5.3 SHBG 24 to 28
Testsosterone trough was up into low normal from low abnormal but I was comparing a random draw to fasted so my next draw will be a better indicator for testosterone movement. apples to apples.
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Yikes...So. There are some clues here. Look at your LH/ FSH. Both DECREASED- the opposite of what enclomiphene should have produced, SHBG crashed as well. This strongly suggests enclomiphene was NOT what you took. This plus the side effects you mentioned imply you were actually exposed to an oral AAS or possibly a SARM. Run your scenario through your favorite clanker. I think it will agree. The only way to know would be to test it but clearly I wouldn't take any more of it!
This is the COA
https://modifiedaminos.shop/wp-content/uploads/2026/08/Enclomiphene-Lot-MA-ENC-101-IE55.pdfBut I will trash the remaining bottles per your advice. Is there anyone actually selling a legitimate version of Enclo? I would like to raise my T levels without going to TRT
@denti
Yep- at least when I had them tested. Swiss Chems and Kimera Chems. See my post Aug 29 up-thread for COA's. Also went down a little rabbit hole on your situation. Check out MK-677 (aka ibutamoren) and see if you think this might be what you were actually sent in those capsules. -
@denti
Yep- at least when I had them tested. Swiss Chems and Kimera Chems. See my post Aug 29 up-thread for COA's. Also went down a little rabbit hole on your situation. Check out MK-677 (aka ibutamoren) and see if you think this might be what you were actually sent in those capsules. -
You can try this website, they have a USA only warehouse now. I use the Canadian warehouse and can't see the US site becasue of my IP address so not sure if they offer the same products. Janoshik tested and the enclomiphene sells out often. I am going for more labs soon I have been using the enclomiphene for 50 days now so i will have objective markers soon on 12.5 mgs for 6 weeks. below is the initial 2.5 weeks at 6.25 mgs and the markers moved in the right direction but i increased to 12.5 becasue testosterone wasn't very significant.
Two weeks in Labs on only 6.25 mgs my FSH went from - 3.6 to 4.0 LH from - 4.1 to 5.3 SHBG 24 to 28
Testsosterone trough was up into low normal from low abnormal but I was comparing a random draw to fasted so my next draw will be a better indicator for testosterone movement. apples to apples.
You can try this website, they have a USA only warehouse now. I use the Canadian warehouse and can't see the US site becasue of my IP address so not sure if they offer the same products. Janoshik tested and the enclomiphene sells out often. I am going for more labs soon I have been using the enclomiphene for 50 days now so i will have objective markers soon on 12.5 mgs for 6 weeks. below is the initial 2.5 weeks at 6.25 mgs and the markers moved in the right direction but i increased to 12.5 becasue testosterone wasn't very significant.
Two weeks in Labs on only 6.25 mgs my FSH went from - 3.6 to 4.0 LH from - 4.1 to 5.3 SHBG 24 to 28
Testsosterone trough was up into low normal from low abnormal but I was comparing a random draw to fasted so my next draw will be a better indicator for testosterone movement. apples to apples.
No enclomiphene available (not even sold out, just not even listed) on the US site
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@denti
Bet you're not surprised at this point. E2 was negatively affected as well. I'm confident that what you got was not enclomiphene (or clomid for that matter) and whatever it was messed with your pituitary. So you need a win my friend. Honestly, if you haven't already, I'd suggest starting at the beginning of this thread and read through how it evolved over time. The reason I sent 3 samples to Vanguard was to answer the question/concern about whether sources were just sending Clomid and asked them specifically to quantify the Zuclomiphene isomer (not desired). The great Randy himself gave me the idea. Fortunately, (and with a $250 per sample price tag!) all good with those 3. I hear Kimera may now make you jump through some hoops to register. My account was apparently grandfathered in. (FYI- Empower is a compounding pharmacy and you need a script). Sooo...I'd suggest Swiss Chems. $80 for 12.5mg, 60 caps. Latest batch looks good according to Freedom (not a favorite in this forum cuz 'reasons', but what are you gonna do). -
@denti
Bet you're not surprised at this point. E2 was negatively affected as well. I'm confident that what you got was not enclomiphene (or clomid for that matter) and whatever it was messed with your pituitary. So you need a win my friend. Honestly, if you haven't already, I'd suggest starting at the beginning of this thread and read through how it evolved over time. The reason I sent 3 samples to Vanguard was to answer the question/concern about whether sources were just sending Clomid and asked them specifically to quantify the Zuclomiphene isomer (not desired). The great Randy himself gave me the idea. Fortunately, (and with a $250 per sample price tag!) all good with those 3. I hear Kimera may now make you jump through some hoops to register. My account was apparently grandfathered in. (FYI- Empower is a compounding pharmacy and you need a script). Sooo...I'd suggest Swiss Chems. $80 for 12.5mg, 60 caps. Latest batch looks good according to Freedom (not a favorite in this forum cuz 'reasons', but what are you gonna do). -
You can try this website, they have a USA only warehouse now. I use the Canadian warehouse and can't see the US site becasue of my IP address so not sure if they offer the same products. Janoshik tested and the enclomiphene sells out often. I am going for more labs soon I have been using the enclomiphene for 50 days now so i will have objective markers soon on 12.5 mgs for 6 weeks. below is the initial 2.5 weeks at 6.25 mgs and the markers moved in the right direction but i increased to 12.5 becasue testosterone wasn't very significant.
Two weeks in Labs on only 6.25 mgs my FSH went from - 3.6 to 4.0 LH from - 4.1 to 5.3 SHBG 24 to 28
Testsosterone trough was up into low normal from low abnormal but I was comparing a random draw to fasted so my next draw will be a better indicator for testosterone movement. apples to apples.
No enclomiphene available (not even sold out, just not even listed) on the US site
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@denti
Bet you're not surprised at this point. E2 was negatively affected as well. I'm confident that what you got was not enclomiphene (or clomid for that matter) and whatever it was messed with your pituitary. So you need a win my friend. Honestly, if you haven't already, I'd suggest starting at the beginning of this thread and read through how it evolved over time. The reason I sent 3 samples to Vanguard was to answer the question/concern about whether sources were just sending Clomid and asked them specifically to quantify the Zuclomiphene isomer (not desired). The great Randy himself gave me the idea. Fortunately, (and with a $250 per sample price tag!) all good with those 3. I hear Kimera may now make you jump through some hoops to register. My account was apparently grandfathered in. (FYI- Empower is a compounding pharmacy and you need a script). Sooo...I'd suggest Swiss Chems. $80 for 12.5mg, 60 caps. Latest batch looks good according to Freedom (not a favorite in this forum cuz 'reasons', but what are you gonna do).@denti
Bet you're not surprised at this point. E2 was negatively affected as well. I'm confident that what you got was not enclomiphene (or clomid for that matter) and whatever it was messed with your pituitary. So you need a win my friend. Honestly, if you haven't already, I'd suggest starting at the beginning of this thread and read through how it evolved over time. The reason I sent 3 samples to Vanguard was to answer the question/concern about whether sources were just sending Clomid and asked them specifically to quantify the Zuclomiphene isomer (not desired). The great Randy himself gave me the idea. Fortunately, (and with a $250 per sample price tag!) all good with those 3. I hear Kimera may now make you jump through some hoops to register. My account was apparently grandfathered in. (FYI- Empower is a compounding pharmacy and you need a script). Sooo...I'd suggest Swiss Chems. $80 for 12.5mg, 60 caps. Latest batch looks good according to Freedom (not a favorite in this forum cuz 'reasons', but what are you gonna do).Stones since you’re knowledgeable about all this, can you explain all my results to me. Why were my lab work from July better than last weeks results? All I know is that my T went down but don’t really know what all the other ones actually mean.
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@denti
Bet you're not surprised at this point. E2 was negatively affected as well. I'm confident that what you got was not enclomiphene (or clomid for that matter) and whatever it was messed with your pituitary. So you need a win my friend. Honestly, if you haven't already, I'd suggest starting at the beginning of this thread and read through how it evolved over time. The reason I sent 3 samples to Vanguard was to answer the question/concern about whether sources were just sending Clomid and asked them specifically to quantify the Zuclomiphene isomer (not desired). The great Randy himself gave me the idea. Fortunately, (and with a $250 per sample price tag!) all good with those 3. I hear Kimera may now make you jump through some hoops to register. My account was apparently grandfathered in. (FYI- Empower is a compounding pharmacy and you need a script). Sooo...I'd suggest Swiss Chems. $80 for 12.5mg, 60 caps. Latest batch looks good according to Freedom (not a favorite in this forum cuz 'reasons', but what are you gonna do).@denti
Bet you're not surprised at this point. E2 was negatively affected as well. I'm confident that what you got was not enclomiphene (or clomid for that matter) and whatever it was messed with your pituitary. So you need a win my friend. Honestly, if you haven't already, I'd suggest starting at the beginning of this thread and read through how it evolved over time. The reason I sent 3 samples to Vanguard was to answer the question/concern about whether sources were just sending Clomid and asked them specifically to quantify the Zuclomiphene isomer (not desired). The great Randy himself gave me the idea. Fortunately, (and with a $250 per sample price tag!) all good with those 3. I hear Kimera may now make you jump through some hoops to register. My account was apparently grandfathered in. (FYI- Empower is a compounding pharmacy and you need a script). Sooo...I'd suggest Swiss Chems. $80 for 12.5mg, 60 caps. Latest batch looks good according to Freedom (not a favorite in this forum cuz 'reasons', but what are you gonna do). -
Expensive but maybe go the telehealth route. Then if in a month or so check bloods - if imepoved great, if similar blood results, then you'll know you're just a non responder.
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Yikes...So. There are some clues here. Look at your LH/ FSH. Both DECREASED- the opposite of what enclomiphene should have produced, SHBG crashed as well. This strongly suggests enclomiphene was NOT what you took. This plus the side effects you mentioned imply you were actually exposed to an oral AAS or possibly a SARM. Run your scenario through your favorite clanker. I think it will agree. The only way to know would be to test it but clearly I wouldn't take any more of it!
@Stones67 Do you remember what batch from kimera you got tested?
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I got a bottle of enclo from Umbrella Labs recently but haven’t dipped into it yet, anyone used their stuff? Also got bromantane which I am taking as of last weekend, so far so good…
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