Flawless Compound Retatrutide (Reta) – Replacement Vial Even Worse Than the First (Cloudy + Undissolved White Gel)
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@Randy
Can/should this be tested for? Seems like a nasty contaminate if it remains present after the manufacturing process and the old 'eyeball' review of the vial seems inadequate. -
@Stones67 Vanguard does TFA salts test, at least Peptidology COAs from it include it.
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I hope by now everyone knows how vendors like this get their product.
If you don’t, here is a quick rundown that will explain why some of their products might be good and some might be bad, and why one product could be good now but next time you buy it it is bad.
THESE VENDORS DO NOT MAKE THEIR PRODUCTS!
Hopefully after saying that people will logically understand. But if you don’t I will explain a little more in depth….
The vendors buy from the same grey market suppliers you and I can buy from, and they don’t buy them from the same grey market supplier every time. Why you ask? Because the supplier they used one time doesn’t have the product in stock currently or the supplier they used last tine went out if business. Or they got a better deal because they bought through a group buy - that happens a lot, follow some of the group buys and it is easy to see how many of the people buying are resellers. You will also notice that sometimes a few companies seem to be having the same exact problems at the same exact time. Like say MT1 in their KPV.
Think about it logically. Do you think any of these little companies have the money, equipment or know who to do the process? No. So then do you think their is some big Pharma company willing to make this stuff for them in small batches? No. So where do you think they are actually getting them from?
So even a Vendor that wants to only have great products may not always have the opportunity too.
The now gone LN peptides was a huge wholesaler to a bunch of these companies, they started have problems (Failing Sterileness) then did an exit scam and ripped of a bunch of people, to include a few resellers for 10s of thousands of dollars.
Vendors are good until they are not, I think someone on here has warned us all about that from the day he started this forum. Has anyone on this forum really not read some post where he has repeatedly told us that? So why do we keep asking the same question? Do we think he is going to change his answer? There will never be a list on here or anywhere else where there is a guarantee that the vendor selling peptides is good and always be good. If you want 95% consistency, Elli Lilly is your best bet… -
I hope by now everyone knows how vendors like this get their product.
If you don’t, here is a quick rundown that will explain why some of their products might be good and some might be bad, and why one product could be good now but next time you buy it it is bad.
THESE VENDORS DO NOT MAKE THEIR PRODUCTS!
Hopefully after saying that people will logically understand. But if you don’t I will explain a little more in depth….
The vendors buy from the same grey market suppliers you and I can buy from, and they don’t buy them from the same grey market supplier every time. Why you ask? Because the supplier they used one time doesn’t have the product in stock currently or the supplier they used last tine went out if business. Or they got a better deal because they bought through a group buy - that happens a lot, follow some of the group buys and it is easy to see how many of the people buying are resellers. You will also notice that sometimes a few companies seem to be having the same exact problems at the same exact time. Like say MT1 in their KPV.
Think about it logically. Do you think any of these little companies have the money, equipment or know who to do the process? No. So then do you think their is some big Pharma company willing to make this stuff for them in small batches? No. So where do you think they are actually getting them from?
So even a Vendor that wants to only have great products may not always have the opportunity too.
The now gone LN peptides was a huge wholesaler to a bunch of these companies, they started have problems (Failing Sterileness) then did an exit scam and ripped of a bunch of people, to include a few resellers for 10s of thousands of dollars.
Vendors are good until they are not, I think someone on here has warned us all about that from the day he started this forum. Has anyone on this forum really not read some post where he has repeatedly told us that? So why do we keep asking the same question? Do we think he is going to change his answer? There will never be a list on here or anywhere else where there is a guarantee that the vendor selling peptides is good and always be good. If you want 95% consistency, Elli Lilly is your best bet…@Commander I think most people realize this. The question becomes, is the vendor doing the work or trying to cheat the system to make a quick buck? I have stopped chasing the best deals from every vendor. I am a massive fan of the two I prefer and have done my own testing to verify their testing. Its a matter of risk tolerance. I do not believe I need to continue to test every 10 pack I get from this vendor. I will still randomly test for my own sanity. They are vetted enough for me to feel comfortable.
How about this one? People are attracted to Crush because they run full panels. Has there been any third party testing? If there has I have not seen it. I have not seen any third party verify what they post as their COA's.
The nutty part is that people will say Crush is better than Nexaph because they do more tests, which is false because Nexaph pays for third party testing and tests for everything. On top of that, it's less risky because of the third-party testing. Nexaph because of this confusion has now added full panel testing. In thier mind they thought the third party testing was the best way to prove out what they sell bu many people just never did the research and thought Crush was better
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@Commander I think most people realize this. The question becomes, is the vendor doing the work or trying to cheat the system to make a quick buck? I have stopped chasing the best deals from every vendor. I am a massive fan of the two I prefer and have done my own testing to verify their testing. Its a matter of risk tolerance. I do not believe I need to continue to test every 10 pack I get from this vendor. I will still randomly test for my own sanity. They are vetted enough for me to feel comfortable.
How about this one? People are attracted to Crush because they run full panels. Has there been any third party testing? If there has I have not seen it. I have not seen any third party verify what they post as their COA's.
The nutty part is that people will say Crush is better than Nexaph because they do more tests, which is false because Nexaph pays for third party testing and tests for everything. On top of that, it's less risky because of the third-party testing. Nexaph because of this confusion has now added full panel testing. In thier mind they thought the third party testing was the best way to prove out what they sell bu many people just never did the research and thought Crush was better
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@clyde242 Hey, have you tried the Reta yet? This is my second order and it’s honestly way worse than the first one. The pictures above pretty much prove something’s off with their batch.
@MJ227 have not purchased reta from flawless. I did just get a bunch of AOD and it was solid. My pops got some reta and it did not gel on him. So idk. I agree with what others are saying. None of these sites deserve our respect and sooner or later if their in it for a quick buck their true colors will show. Gotta stay on the research and talk with others to stay up to date.
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@MJ227 have not purchased reta from flawless. I did just get a bunch of AOD and it was solid. My pops got some reta and it did not gel on him. So idk. I agree with what others are saying. None of these sites deserve our respect and sooner or later if their in it for a quick buck their true colors will show. Gotta stay on the research and talk with others to stay up to date.
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How odd this is. I've never bought Reta from them but have plenty of their Survo in the freezer and fridge and it always reconned well, as long as the Survo and Bac was room temp.
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@Eleanor The pictures don't lie. So maybe they should change there name to "Imperfect compounds". Glad you had a better experience but everything I've received has been throw in the trash.
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@Eleanor The pictures don't lie. So maybe they should change there name to "Imperfect compounds". Glad you had a better experience but everything I've received has been throw in the trash.
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@MJ227 I would try asking them for a replacement from a different batch, like one thats more recent that has ILS lab COA's - Ask for the July batch - FL-010207 or get them to reconstitude to verify your findings.
Flawaless was very reasonable when I dealt with them on shipping issues and provided them the evidence. It seems strange Freedom tested it at 99.9% purity and passed the endotoxin screen.
You would think a lab would report this back to the venddor when they do the testing?
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@MJ227 I would try asking them for a replacement from a different batch, like one thats more recent that has ILS lab COA's - Ask for the July batch - FL-010207 or get them to reconstitude to verify your findings.
Flawaless was very reasonable when I dealt with them on shipping issues and provided them the evidence. It seems strange Freedom tested it at 99.9% purity and passed the endotoxin screen.
You would think a lab would report this back to the venddor when they do the testing?
@bfuller While we know ILS has had some issues, maybe rushing through testing to try and catch up so they keep the business. The Kovera thread is so interesting to me because it's what I have been hearing from the equipment manufacturers. Anyone can buy the equipment, but then you have to know how to use it. These guys are starting a business, buying equipment, and learning on the run. HPLC is fairly simple, but there are steps that can easily screw it up. Endotoxins and Heavy Metals: I have a bridge to sell you if you think all these results are accurate. Depending on the sterility test, those are fairly easy to perform but also require a sterile environment, not your basement or some office complex. It is very costly to have a sterile, temperature- and humidity-controlled environment without cross-contamination with proper filtration.
Look, people are using a two week lab because getting stuff tested is taking too long. See the STutz thread.
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@Eleanor No, those photos are actually of the replacement they sent. I emailed them the pictures, and their only response was that I had already received my one free replacement. I replied requesting a full refund, and since then they've completely ignored me.
The only thing "Flawless" about them is how flawlessly they send out a poor-quality product and then refuse to stand behind it or refund their customers. I won't be ordering from them again. -
@MJ227 I would try asking them for a replacement from a different batch, like one thats more recent that has ILS lab COA's - Ask for the July batch - FL-010207 or get them to reconstitude to verify your findings.
Flawaless was very reasonable when I dealt with them on shipping issues and provided them the evidence. It seems strange Freedom tested it at 99.9% purity and passed the endotoxin screen.
You would think a lab would report this back to the venddor when they do the testing?
@bfuller That would've been a great idea. The problem is Flawless completely stopped responding once I asked for a full refund.
What's also strange is that the replacement came from a different batch than my original order, and they even changed the product name between the first and second batches. The first batch reconstituted cloudy. The second batch, though, turned into the soapy, gel-like substance you see in the pictures.
Something just doesn't add up. When a company stops responding the moment you ask for a refund, it definitely makes me think they know there's an issue with the product. -
@bfuller While we know ILS has had some issues, maybe rushing through testing to try and catch up so they keep the business. The Kovera thread is so interesting to me because it's what I have been hearing from the equipment manufacturers. Anyone can buy the equipment, but then you have to know how to use it. These guys are starting a business, buying equipment, and learning on the run. HPLC is fairly simple, but there are steps that can easily screw it up. Endotoxins and Heavy Metals: I have a bridge to sell you if you think all these results are accurate. Depending on the sterility test, those are fairly easy to perform but also require a sterile environment, not your basement or some office complex. It is very costly to have a sterile, temperature- and humidity-controlled environment without cross-contamination with proper filtration.
Look, people are using a two week lab because getting stuff tested is taking too long. See the STutz thread.
@Stevepep Yeah testing is only as good as the lab testing procedures and repeatability.
ILS isn't just s pop up lab it was incorporated in 2018. A California Department of Cannabis Control filing shows that ILS submitted a cannabis testing laboratory license application on December 8, 2018, for its facility at 8222 Vickers St., Suite 106, San Diego which was granted. Then they branched out into supplements, APIs and other revenue streams including probably the biggest current market beautiful peptides!
I'm not sure if you've seen this but it is from Derek Decoded, he did a tour of Jano and ILS. Pretty interesting stuff.
This is the ILS tour you can see the Jano tour on Dereks channel too.
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@Eleanor No, those photos are actually of the replacement they sent. I emailed them the pictures, and their only response was that I had already received my one free replacement. I replied requesting a full refund, and since then they've completely ignored me.
The only thing "Flawless" about them is how flawlessly they send out a poor-quality product and then refuse to stand behind it or refund their customers. I won't be ordering from them again. -
@Stevepep Yeah testing is only as good as the lab testing procedures and repeatability.
ILS isn't just s pop up lab it was incorporated in 2018. A California Department of Cannabis Control filing shows that ILS submitted a cannabis testing laboratory license application on December 8, 2018, for its facility at 8222 Vickers St., Suite 106, San Diego which was granted. Then they branched out into supplements, APIs and other revenue streams including probably the biggest current market beautiful peptides!
I'm not sure if you've seen this but it is from Derek Decoded, he did a tour of Jano and ILS. Pretty interesting stuff.
This is the ILS tour you can see the Jano tour on Dereks channel too.
@bfuller I am aware they started in cannabis with very different equipment. He actually gave an interview and admitted he was new. I am also actually familiar with the equipment used to test heavy metals and endotoxins. I was in the business and still am in a highly regulated industry. It takes specialty training to operate the equipment and THE RIGHT ENVIRONMENT. Meaning a completely sterile environment, or you can very easily have false positives or negatives. Yes, I have seen the videos; I will leave it at that. For Cannabis, none of that is necessary.
At the moment, there are people, including me, with testing sitting at ILS, and we have no communication at all with the lab. They overpromised and now are way behind, and that's an issue for a small business when they try to catch up; crap happens. Unfortunately, it has. Training is the main issue with labs and fast growth; processes get missed, people mislabel items, the list goes on. I am a fan of ILS. I recommended them on here, gave out their discount code, and really liked them. It's good until it isn't. That doesn't mean it can't get fixed, but for now, be careful. That's all I am saying.
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