Tesamorelin alone or Tesa/Ipa blend
-
Looking to start a cycle of either Tesamorelin by itself or the Tesamorelin/ipamorelin 10/3mg blend. Is the blend that much more advantageous over tesamorelin alone? I was thinking of doing 1mg tesa and 300mcg ipamorelin Monday-Friday to start. I did read that ipamorelin makes more sense to do in the morning while tesa better at night so would it not really make sense to get the blend then?
-
My input on this, is that both are best to do at night as they match up with the natural pulse, but 1mg to 300 mcg seems a bit lopsides should be closer to a 1-.5 ratio, but yes the difference from tesa alone to tesa+ipa is noticeable in my experience
-
It's the taking them together that creates the synergy everyone talks about.
You could separate them but what I'm doing:First week - Tesa+ 1.5mg at night fasted for 2 hours [important], and 2 hours before bed.
You're supposed to titrate but you can't just double your dose because you would be pinning a whole mg of Ipamorelin!
It's a 5 on 2 day off cycle , 10 doses a vial.
I did 2 weeks with the first vial.
Week 3 I added vial of Tesa10mg to my second Tesa+15.
So we're talking 2.5mg same time for the duration of your cycle.
I'm going 7 weeks for the "highly medical reasoning" that... well that's half the vials in a kit.
I'm going into my third month here, tapped the 4th vial yesterday.
Will finish the plan, take 4 weeks off. Then do another 7 weeker.The problem; I'll have to extra vials of Tesa left when it's all said and done.
I dunno, what do you all think, add an extra 2 weeks to the end of each cycle with Tesa? Just keep the vials in the freezer to give everything else company?
-
I like this thread. Pondering maybe running this in the future, though I have piles of CJC/IPA and it is working well for me.
@commander This is a great example of why some things probably shouldn’t be sold as blends. It’s just too niche/specific.
-
I did a kit of the Tesa/Ipa blend at night, but I ended up switching to just Tesa in the AM. I am more fasted in the mornings and don't do breakfast, so my glucose levels stay lower for a few hours after. The Ipamorelin also caused a slight rise in my RHR and BP, not much but it made getting to sleep a little more difficult.
-
So is the combination best or having them separate?
-
Use them in combination but pin them separately so you can manage the quantity of each. I actually use the 10/3 blend but I'm good with 1mg/300mcg nightly. Others prefer a different dose of each.
-
Tesamorelin can be run continuously for up to 52 weeks in studies without losing the efficacy, but Ipamorelin needs a break after 12 weeks to restore receptors sensitivity.
@vpeptides FYI - I thought the same for Ipamorellin, but after watching the Alex Kikel GH peptide seminar, that led me to try and to find research on Ipamorellin casuing receptor fatigue, there is no eveidence I can find that Ipamorellin causes receptor desensitization. In fact it was the opposite and my mind was blown becasue I always thought this needed a cycle. I could only find a study showing NO receptor desensitization. Alex claims only Hexarellin casues desesitization and its rapid. Check it out and let me know if you have any other sources showing it does cause receptor fatigue becasyue I can't find it but I've heard many Gurus make the claim so I went with it until I watched the seminar and looked for reearch on it.
Let me know if you can find anything on it though I'm interested in this becasue I love IPA the podcast is bellow
The Prep Coach - GROWTH HORMONE PEPTIDES (SEMINAR & PROTOCOLS) -
Looking to start a cycle of either Tesamorelin by itself or the Tesamorelin/ipamorelin 10/3mg blend. Is the blend that much more advantageous over tesamorelin alone? I was thinking of doing 1mg tesa and 300mcg ipamorelin Monday-Friday to start. I did read that ipamorelin makes more sense to do in the morning while tesa better at night so would it not really make sense to get the blend then?
@e_kantor2 .... I've run both and I prefer the Tesa/IPA at night before bed 3 hours fasted. but either way you can try Tesa solo for a few months then add the IPA and figure out what you prefer becasue everyone is different.
-
@vpeptides FYI - I thought the same for Ipamorellin, but after watching the Alex Kikel GH peptide seminar, that led me to try and to find research on Ipamorellin casuing receptor fatigue, there is no eveidence I can find that Ipamorellin causes receptor desensitization. In fact it was the opposite and my mind was blown becasue I always thought this needed a cycle. I could only find a study showing NO receptor desensitization. Alex claims only Hexarellin casues desesitization and its rapid. Check it out and let me know if you have any other sources showing it does cause receptor fatigue becasyue I can't find it but I've heard many Gurus make the claim so I went with it until I watched the seminar and looked for reearch on it.
Let me know if you can find anything on it though I'm interested in this becasue I love IPA the podcast is bellow
The Prep Coach - GROWTH HORMONE PEPTIDES (SEMINAR & PROTOCOLS)@bfuller You are right. I only referred to the narrative from all the leading influencers in this matter. "12-week timeline" for Ipamorelin desensitization is primarily an anecdote and clinical convention.
One one hand, the target of Ipamorelin, GHS-R1a (ghrelin) receptor undergoes rapid desensitization when exposed to continuous stimulation, is proven science, in general.
But there are no trials for Ipamorelin, specifically. Only a note by Novo Nordisk that Ipamorelin was remarkably unique because it resisted the acute, rapid desensitization seen in Hexarelin.
I would speculate it does desensitize the receptor eventually, but perhaps significantly slower than in 12 weeks, after looking at the evidence (or the absense of it). Thank you! -
@bfuller You are right. I only referred to the narrative from all the leading influencers in this matter. "12-week timeline" for Ipamorelin desensitization is primarily an anecdote and clinical convention.
One one hand, the target of Ipamorelin, GHS-R1a (ghrelin) receptor undergoes rapid desensitization when exposed to continuous stimulation, is proven science, in general.
But there are no trials for Ipamorelin, specifically. Only a note by Novo Nordisk that Ipamorelin was remarkably unique because it resisted the acute, rapid desensitization seen in Hexarelin.
I would speculate it does desensitize the receptor eventually, but perhaps significantly slower than in 12 weeks, after looking at the evidence (or the absense of it). Thank you!@vpeptides, I read a mouse study where acute doses were given for 21 days and no measurable receptor desensitization was measured like was recorded with different analogs acutely dosed over the same time frame. But then again mice and short timeline but even so these were acute doses so you would imagine if there was something there it would be measurable. Oh well over the last 10 years I thought all GHRP's caused receptor desensitization, but now I'm learning maybe not?
-
My raccoon underwent quite a weight loss journey starting in January and by far the most intense period of it was when I introduced tesa/ipa. Its never gone over 1.5 tesa .3 ipa and it absolutely nuked its midsection fat. It started in size 38 jeans and is now in 30's
-
My raccoon underwent quite a weight loss journey starting in January and by far the most intense period of it was when I introduced tesa/ipa. Its never gone over 1.5 tesa .3 ipa and it absolutely nuked its midsection fat. It started in size 38 jeans and is now in 30's
@Mr-Smurf Did that transition in your raccoon cause any loose skin in the process?
-
@randy should have an AI summary box on this forum. I'm missing out on long discussions if I don't come online for a day or even a few hours.
-
@Mr-Smurf Did that transition in your raccoon cause any loose skin in the process?
@Reactive3078 yes a little bit. Actively fighting it with extra core exercises to build its muscle outwards, microneedling, ghk serum, ghk/kpv injections, extra aggressive on the ghk (5mg), collagen/glycine supplementing, tretinoin cream, and higher tesa/ipa dose to induce more igf1 locally. It turned out to be a much higher responder than initially planned for and things got out of hand fast, luckily no folding, just some laxity
-
@randy should have an AI summary box on this forum. I'm missing out on long discussions if I don't come online for a day or even a few hours.
@pep_researcher if you have AI you can ask it to read the forum and tell you which threads and updates are of interest to you. Over time, it will become alarmingly well tuned to your preferences.
-
@Reactive3078 yes a little bit. Actively fighting it with extra core exercises to build its muscle outwards, microneedling, ghk serum, ghk/kpv injections, extra aggressive on the ghk (5mg), collagen/glycine supplementing, tretinoin cream, and higher tesa/ipa dose to induce more igf1 locally. It turned out to be a much higher responder than initially planned for and things got out of hand fast, luckily no folding, just some laxity
@Mr-Smurf This is exciting to me. My research is having a hard time losing mid-section fat. I'll have to try Tesa. With the Ghkcu you said you have 5mg. Mine is 2.5mg. Is it safe to go up to 5mg?
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login