Klotho / FLGR242 (albumin-bound new tech)
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My wife hates that I take supplements, and is sure that they are what put me in the hospital and had to have my gallbladder removed. Just think how she would react to me injecting unregulated research chemicals from China into our beloved hamster!
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Lmao; I probably spend $300+ a month of various supplements. See my thread about it. A lot of it is probably a waste of money, but if it doesn’t hurt, it doesn’t hurt.
WRT any product like this, the bare minimum baseline should be: just don’t kill your customers. We aren’t making children’s toys over here.
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I’m ready to start my SlimAssist course, but I’m reading conflicting reconstitution guidance above. One post says sterile water only, and each vial is a single dose, while another (from Jay) says BAC.
I bought a dozen vials a few weeks ago on one of the (nearly daily) 50% off sales. My plan is 1mg a week to start, then titrate if I don’t die.
So, BAC? Sterile water? Bourbon?
You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.
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I’m ready to start my SlimAssist course, but I’m reading conflicting reconstitution guidance above. One post says sterile water only, and each vial is a single dose, while another (from Jay) says BAC.
I bought a dozen vials a few weeks ago on one of the (nearly daily) 50% off sales. My plan is 1mg a week to start, then titrate if I don’t die.
So, BAC? Sterile water? Bourbon?
@SpaceGhost BAC. Bourbon on a side. (Sterile water will work too if you use the whole vial at once.)
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I’m ready to start my SlimAssist course, but I’m reading conflicting reconstitution guidance above. One post says sterile water only, and each vial is a single dose, while another (from Jay) says BAC.
I bought a dozen vials a few weeks ago on one of the (nearly daily) 50% off sales. My plan is 1mg a week to start, then titrate if I don’t die.
So, BAC? Sterile water? Bourbon?
@SpaceGhost Given that the add on to my purchase was bac water, I assume that is okay. For stuff like Cell Factors, it comes with a vial of the stuff they want you to use. Not 100% sure if you are supposed to use all of it or only as much as you want.
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Cell Factors
Only sterile water for this one. Use all of it at once. (nice link)
attentiion is all you need
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Cell Factors
Only sterile water for this one. Use all of it at once. (nice link)
@vpep this is amazing! Thanks so much!
(I asked them to send me whatever they had on this stuff a while ago after someone here recommended I do so, and the rep denied that any such things existed.)
Yeah, well, I’m just here for the research, man. - The Dude
If I haven’t liked your post, no offense. I have exceeded my daily allowance.
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@vpep this is amazing! Thanks so much!
(I asked them to send me whatever they had on this stuff a while ago after someone here recommended I do so, and the rep denied that any such things existed.)
@ResearchCat I did the same, got the same reply, and then Jay sent me these links in the public email:
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Cell Factors
Only sterile water for this one. Use all of it at once. (nice link)
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This is 83% a joke, but is BLL a cult? Since placing my order 2 days ago, I have received no fewer than 15 emails and 6 texts - and I didn’t even sign up for texts.
If I stop posting, please find the compound and come save me before they turn me into Cell Factors.
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I got more of SlimAssist recently, and the powder is pink. The batch from the last month was white. The same expiration date, the vials look different. I understand vitamin B may be pink, but why the previous batch wasn't so?
Update: I asked them about it, their answer:
The difference in color is related to the vitamin B12 in the formulation. In our newer batches of Slim Assist, the amount of vitamin B12 was increased. B12 contributes the red/pink hue, which is why newer batches may appear noticeably more pink or red compared with previous batches. -
This is 83% a joke, but is BLL a cult? Since placing my order 2 days ago, I have received no fewer than 15 emails and 6 texts - and I didn’t even sign up for texts.
If I stop posting, please find the compound and come save me before they turn me into Cell Factors.
@ResearchCat I know how you feel, but at the same time I'm slightly terrified. If the texts and emails stop, that might mean there's no more sales. If there's no more sales, I'm definitely not affording much of anything from BLL anymore.
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I got more of SlimAssist recently, and the powder is pink. The batch from the last month was white. The same expiration date, the vials look different. I understand vitamin B may be pink, but why the previous batch wasn't so?
Update: I asked them about it, their answer:
The difference in color is related to the vitamin B12 in the formulation. In our newer batches of Slim Assist, the amount of vitamin B12 was increased. B12 contributes the red/pink hue, which is why newer batches may appear noticeably more pink or red compared with previous batches.@vpep My vials were pinkish too. It might be the B vitamin complex they use?
I also recently used a vial of FLGR 242 that didn't seem to have the usual amount of vacuum on it. I think it had a little bit, but when I pierced the top of it, didn't seem like there was the usual amount. I used it Thursday morning. Everything seems fine. Just something I noticed.
Normally they're really pretty good about this stuff, I think. I haven't heard a lot of complaints.
I'd still like to know what's up with how they create their a-Klotho product, based on that video I saw. Maybe that video that I referenced earlier had somebody saying something that was way off, but supposedly the guy's a specialist in industrial chemical process design. He says Klotho is too large to really manufacture the way that a typical peptide is and that the process to actually manufacture it would be prohibitively expensive. It got me really curious to know how they're doing it and what exactly is going around out there as Klotho anyway. I'm giving BLL the benefit of the doubt right now, but man, if anybody has any answers to that, I am so freaking curious.
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@vpep My vials were pinkish too. It might be the B vitamin complex they use?
I also recently used a vial of FLGR 242 that didn't seem to have the usual amount of vacuum on it. I think it had a little bit, but when I pierced the top of it, didn't seem like there was the usual amount. I used it Thursday morning. Everything seems fine. Just something I noticed.
Normally they're really pretty good about this stuff, I think. I haven't heard a lot of complaints.
I'd still like to know what's up with how they create their a-Klotho product, based on that video I saw. Maybe that video that I referenced earlier had somebody saying something that was way off, but supposedly the guy's a specialist in industrial chemical process design. He says Klotho is too large to really manufacture the way that a typical peptide is and that the process to actually manufacture it would be prohibitively expensive. It got me really curious to know how they're doing it and what exactly is going around out there as Klotho anyway. I'm giving BLL the benefit of the doubt right now, but man, if anybody has any answers to that, I am so freaking curious.
@jamesboyles I don't notice vacuum with these their products, it must be inert gas filled.
Klotho or other larger proteins are manufactured somehow and are for sale readily, they don't have to be manufactured exactly like smaller peptides. Also, I wouldn't say they are cheap either.BioLongevity Labs combines a truncated version of the native (natural) a-Klotho (1,012 aminoacids) with a proprietary 29-amino acid albumin-binding construct.
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@PeptidePete P1 here - love ALL good info here - Pete, sure value what you say, have a question I couldn't find answered. I'm 63 recently lost 70lbs on Terzepatide and learned how to eat right. Gained 15 lbs muscle (waist still same, don't see any fat added at all) - and take in 150grams/day of Whey Protein. Can't stomach Roe at all. No way. Uhuh can't do it. Or, yet - never say never. Why isn't Whey protein spoken about here? If what I've read/found out/heard Toro Poopoo?
Thanks much in advance.
Oh - into 3rd week of FLGR242 - Calisthenics 3 days with leg workout a little, Weights 3 days and take 1mg 242 30 minutes before weights 3x/week. Plan on being on it for months - thx all for the JayC code, and I am/will wait for sales.
Peace to all AND thanks to all for sharing. I HATE youtube/sales sh*t.
Almost forgot - 6' and 195lbs. AND have vascularity again - been over 30 years!!!
@PeptidePete P1 here - love ALL good info here - Pete, sure value what you say, have a question I couldn't find answered. Can't stomach Roe at all. No way. Uhuh can't do it. Or, yet - never say never. Why isn't Whey protein spoken about here? If what I've read/found out/heard Toro Poopoo?
Almost forgot - 6' and 195lbs. AND have vascularity again - been over 30 years!!!
Hey Mr. Mole! Wow, so awesome, thank you for your kind comments. Your journey sounds great!
I do not, nor would I ever use whey protein. Research bioavailability they are ALL grossly sub-optimal, ignore marketing BS!
If you want a drinkable, liquid, protein to use on low protein/fasting days I can suggest only ONE: Jaquish Biomedical Fortagen. Tastes terrible, proven to get the job done. John Jaquish is a GOAT, I totally respect him.
For solid protein- beef, goat, sheep are #1 best options as rich with healthy fats. Any animal NOT monogastic. Also of course soy-free/corn-free fed chick eggs. Salmon/cod/haddock are best fish. Quality farmed is OK!
To amplify your waist size comment- after I fixed everything, lost the fats, I wound up at 152lbs and wearing 31" waist pants. I'm now averaging 174lbs (FLGR baby!) AND...wearing the same 31" pants! THAT is body recomposition at it's finest and exactly what I sought.
Side note- I have now researched ATX-304/O-304 several times, for weeks at a time, at doses up to 600mg/day. I like it, a lot. But the full 600mg give me some weird feelings in chest and pulse when going to bed so backed it down a bit. Been using Umbrella Labs 100mg caps but have the brand new Kimera Chems Na/Salt version coming. Na is the actual version used in the human trials and the free-acid version everyone other than Kimera sells is not nearly as readily absorbed. Freebie comment that no one asked for...lol
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Cell Factors is the ONLY BLL agent REQUIRING sterile water (not BAC) reconstitution.
Vacuum on any peptide vial is meaningless. It just is. Don't worry about.
Slim Assist is pinkish powder due to the B vitamin in it. You're going to be peeing pink as well,
Poster above reminded me of months 3-6 on FLGR. My various muscles/skin covering felt tight. Squatting in the shower when squeegeeing it, was like my skin was an inflated balloon. Less of a sensation now after 8 months but still "skin-tight" skin. I like the sensation.
Also reminded again, as I noted previously, after a few months on FLGR, man I CRAVED a strenuous resistance workout. Felt like doing them every day (not good of course)! The brakes were off and the body said LFG!
From day one, I have been doing 5mg TB4 (full-chain TB-500) every 2-3 days, said (Mike Farber) to be very synergistic with FLGR, and just otherwise awesome stuff.
No disrespect intended at all to my other posting friend, however there is no evidence and no reports of "tendon damage" from FLGR users. A wholly theoretical construct which is just not born out in reality. Like so many things said in the peptide influencer world
Simply for the sake of convenience I have settled on maintenance protocol of 3 vials Slim Assist once per week. .3ml BAC per vial, pull all three into a 1ml syringe, joyfully pin it. Have researched up to 15mg per week, I detected no obvious benefits over above 5mg per week. 1mg per day perhaps helped at the margins. As 65 year old man, I have no reason to "cycle" off the FLGR and it does not attenuate any receptors, that is not how it works.
I'm researching the Klotho at one vial per 9 days now. I like it and feel great. For super safety I am testing Serum Phosphorus and Vit D levels in two weeks, also as noted super curious to see effect on Cystatin C and eGFR.
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@peptidepete Apologies for any confusion: I was not meaning to insinuate that tendon damage was due to use of FLGR, but more generally when making big gains fast, particularly for older people who haven’t been working out regularly.
I suppose this is the same as suggesting that drivers should be careful so they don’t get in an accident, but some people still need to hear it.
Thanks for your advice!
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