Klotho / FLGR242 (albumin-bound new tech)
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@PeptidePete Did you see the email for the 48hr sale?
Just ordered some Cell Factors. I have a years+ worth of Klotho/FLGR
Use code JayC for addl 20%
@PeptidePete Yep. Thx. Ordered another 12 vials. Think I'm gonna up the dose so wanted a larger stockpile. I've been a bit of a baby in terms my workouts, due to my shoulder recovery, but its time to hit it! Standard or max on the cell factors? Let me know if you feel anything! Trying to decide between Klotho vs Factors as my next step.
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@peptidepete so is the idea behind Cell Factors that it is stem-cell adjacent for a lot less money and not using actual human tissue? Would one want to research Klotho first/instead of? I am just peeking down the rabbit hole of FLGR, etc.
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@PeptidePete Yep. Thx. Ordered another 12 vials. Think I'm gonna up the dose so wanted a larger stockpile. I've been a bit of a baby in terms my workouts, due to my shoulder recovery, but its time to hit it! Standard or max on the cell factors? Let me know if you feel anything! Trying to decide between Klotho vs Factors as my next step.
@PeptidePete Yep. Thx. Ordered another 12 vials. Think I'm gonna up the dose so wanted a larger stockpile. I've been a bit of a baby in terms my workouts, due to my shoulder recovery, but its time to hit it! Standard or max on the cell factors? Let me know if you feel anything! Trying to decide between Klotho vs Factors as my next step.
I used it the first time approx 2 months ago, pinned the "Max". Feel is like a-Klotho, very subtle but I felt "better", "cleaner" for weeks subsequent. That is some mushy subjective stuff, no doubt, but I am and have been well-optimized so benefits will be at the margins (for me).
You on the other hand would be a GREAT test subject
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@peptidepete so is the idea behind Cell Factors that it is stem-cell adjacent for a lot less money and not using actual human tissue? Would one want to research Klotho first/instead of? I am just peeking down the rabbit hole of FLGR, etc.
@peptidepete so is the idea behind Cell Factors that it is stem-cell adjacent for a lot less money and not using actual human tissue? Would one want to research Klotho first/instead of? I am just peeking down the rabbit hole of FLGR, etc.
I think you offered a good description! "Stem-cell adjacent"
Knowing what I know I would NEVER inject stem cells. Adeel Khan turned out to be a grifter and actually dangerous (he has infected many people, sepsis!) by the accounts of a certain investigative expose on YT.
Cell Factors on the other hand appear perfectly safe and the science and man behind the product (Sanjiv) and company are reputable by my due diligence. Grok tells me the science and product is sound.
I'd love to read others experiences researching Cell Factors
It is recommended to use all three at the same time, synergistic to do so, the rationale makes sense to me-differing but complementary mechanisms and pathways. Sorry, countering aging costs money, complain to your creator lol
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PS- Cell Factors come with Sterile Water, you must NEVER reconstitute CF with BAC water it instantly degrades it! BEWARE!!!! Only use Sterile Water that it ships with!!!
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“You on the other hand would be a GREAT test subject
”This is what we in the industry refer to as a backhanded compliment. Lmao
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“You on the other hand would be a GREAT test subject
”This is what we in the industry refer to as a backhanded compliment. Lmao
@ResearchCat He's a rascal! He's goading me into another purchase!!! It's probably going to work
Six hours to pull the trigger or wait to see if the 4th of July brings another sale opportunity. Hmmm -
@PeptidePete Did you see the email for the 48hr sale?
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Tbh this is my favorite thread to keep lurking in. Hopefully more of this shit starts coming up regularly.
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@peptidepete Where can I find functional protocols for these? I looked around some and didn’t find very much.
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@quicksilver80 and prices get much better. When the discount on your purchase is $2,500, maybe you’re spending too much on this stuff.
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@peptidepete Where can I find functional protocols for these? I looked around some and didn’t find very much.
@peptidepete Where can I find functional protocols for these? I looked around some and didn’t find very much.
Worth considering, from the perspective of 65 year old 95% optimized man:
Protocols are forever or until something better comes along. If your natural levels are compromised from aging why would you EVER think of "cycling"?? It make no sense. Also look at lifespan of myostatin null mammals (perfect).
Klotho one vial (10mcg) every two weeks. NEVER excessively dose this, more is never better and can cause big problems.
FLGR242 one vial (5mg) every week for the first month then 1mg every day. NEVER injected IM, ALWAYS subQ. I use a pen. My wife is now doing 2.5mg once per week.
Cell Factors - my current thought is let your wallet be your guide. I'm planning 1 vial Cell Factors MAX per month. I have no issues, just for optimization.
I would strongly suggest folks can call or email BioLongevityLabs to ask for their in-house produced spec sheets with much more detailed info.
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@quicksilver80 and prices get much better. When the discount on your purchase is $2,500, maybe you’re spending too much on this stuff.
@quicksilver80 and prices get much better. When the discount on your purchase is $2,500, maybe you’re spending too much on this stuff.
LOL
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thanks Pete! I will send them a note. I appreciate that this is a long term protocol; i was mostly interested to know the dosing, which you provided.
. For now I will do some more research as this is definitely a wallet-pummeling treatment plan, and maybe dip my toes into it. I still have work to do in the peptide space. -
Lmao, I requested the spec sheets and got a really long form email lecturing me about how they are not selling things for human consumption and can’t provide me with a protocol or dosing recomendation, etc etc, and I responded, ‘yeah, okay, but I just asked for spec sheets.
Anyway, that was annoying.
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They also sent me links to Jay’s Youtube channel, which as you indicated earlier, has been deleted.
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Yeah, totally stonewalled. They sent me to Jay’s defunct channel, their web site, and a skool.
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Now they’re asking me if I am happy with the response they gave me.. this week has been an all around goat rodeo, but life is good.
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So tried to download and pin the FLGR cheat sheet (PDF) which is behind the subscription to Jay's FOH community. File size is too large. Plus it's kinda proprietary so maybe for the best. So I'm gonna do this the old fashioned way and type it.
Men's Cycle: Run continuously for up to 36 weeks (3 phases) then 6-12 weeks off to reset
Weeks 1-12 2.5mg/week or 5mg every two weeks
Weeks 13-24. 5.0 mg weekly split- 2.5mg Tuesday + 2.5mg Friday
Optional Weeks 25-36 10mg/week(max)
*** implies this is for folks making gains for show prep, cover shoots, etc.
There's also a women's cycle which is essentially half of everything above.
Now the way actual users are handling dosing is all over the place. Some daily, some 2-3 times a week, weekly, etc.
There is little science because we are the science! The video Pete linked on X a few days ago is about how most of the YouTube videos unfolded so worth a listen if you want to meet the chemist. Listening toJay Campbell is kinda like eating fish eggs- you can do it but you might have to plug your nose. No dis' on your culinary choices Pete! -
Thats interesting. So did it help or hinder weight loss? Retas stalled for my ts. Inquiring minds and all that. Haha also is there even a grey vendor for these? Seems like the lionsshare is gate kept by a bunch of american resellers with single syllable names like chip and rod.
It is a VERY complicated construct. I would NOT even think of going outside (grey) the current ecosystem right now. WAY too risky from multiple aspects. Just buy it on sale with quantity discounts.
Consider your question! 'Weight loss" is not my goal and should NOT be your question. Body composition is. I'm up 17 lbs from bottom (155lbs), and now 12.5% body fat. So, fat way down, lean mass way up in 5 months. At age 65 what i did was "impossible" (lol)
You need to be quantifying your body composition. I use an InBody H30 with religiously repeated weighing parameters- AM, after toilet/sauna/resistance workout/shower. It must be identical regimen prior to every measure for repeatability. Absolute numbers not critical, but you get a clear TREND.
@PeptidePete said:
Consider your question! 'Weight loss" is not my goal and should NOT be your question. Body composition is. I'm up 17 lbs from bottom (155lbs), and now 12.5% body fat. So, fat way down, lean mass way up in 5 months. At age 65 what i did was "impossible" (lol)Wow.....I missed out on a lot of discussion and just getting caught up now.
First off, thanks for sharing your experience in such detail.
I am a slightly younger, old dude at 57, so I am reading your progress with great interest.
I will not be purchasing kg's of caviar or going full carnivore, but I am guessing most people who will be using this peptide won't be on any of those eating protocols.
I did note that you are researching a bunch of 'supportive' elements. This is probably near impossible for you to answer, but it's worth a shot. At this point in time, I am not really interested in researching TRT and/or the GH Route. I'm not saying never , but that's just me at this point in time.
Are you able to discern how much of the gains are solely from the FLGR242 ? Do you feel that there are synergies between the GH and T and FLGR242 ?
I know this is totally speculative, but do you feel that someone not researching GH or T would see some form of noticeable results ?
Thanks for sharing, cheers!
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