Mots-c and SS-31

[nosaj]

Looking for opinions on how necessary it is to run SS-31 before Mots-c. Ready to add Mots to my stack tomorrow and second guessing myself with all the talk about SS-31. Would it hurt to try the Mots first? I have a generally low carb diet and have intermittent fasted for years. Already have the Mots and adding to CJC/Ipa, Reta
Thanks guys

[theckman80]

Im no doctor, but, reta revs up your metabolism and puts working stress on mitochondria. It seems like you might want your mitochondria in good shape in order to get the most out of your reta. So, fixing with SS-31 first, then MOTS-c to create more mitochondria and streamline the effectiveness of them would create less reactive oxygen species and allow reta to do all the good it can do. With how much copper is needed in the creation of ATP, it might be good to supplement with GHK-Cu. Then there is the question of NAD+ or niacin as well. That's getting to be a lot of shots though.

[nosaj]

Agreed. Trying to limit the number of shots since it's my first go with peps and trying to assess effectiveness, but it is tempting to run them all

[Randy]

Man....i took 9 needles today.

[theckman80]

Man, I thought 5 was a lot!

[Juan Doe]

Isn’t it nad + that helps with mitochondria repair?

[quicksilver80]

im at 3 a day plus another on top on sunday. and tbh after these cycles of aod and ss31. my capybara is going to streamline probably. gotta take a break. probably start mots and some sort of growth hormone secretagogue to keep up with more gym/work balancing.

[Stan Douglas]

@gym.rat
I'm at 8 today:
Pre-workout: Mots & AOD
Post workout; CJC[No Dac]+ Ipam
Afternoon: 2nd CJC+
Bedtime: Last CJC+, Pine and 2 Ghks

and it's not even a NAD+ day.

I would had bought stock in .3 syringes at the beginning of this hobby had I known I'd be going through so many.

[Commander]

I take at least 4 a day. Now I am going to add SS-31 in.

Mots-C
NAD+
KLOW
Tesa/Ipa
Reta 2/weekly
MT2 3/weekly
This would not be possible if it wasn’t for the Pens.
Anyone not using Pens, I suggest you go over to the store section on here and buy at least 4 pens. If you only buy one pen, you will be back for more. So save on the shipping and just buy 4 from the start, it will save you money in the long run…

[theckman80]

Im at:
AM:
Reta
NA Selank/Semax (helps fight the GLP-1 blues)
GHK-Cu

PM (as needed):
BPC-157
TB-500

[quicksilver80]

@gym.rat my ts got a little red mosquito bite and said it felt a little itchy but goes away for him in like less than a half hour. mileage may vary

[phiberopttic]

I'm finishing a cycle of 5-Amino-1MQ, then going into SS-31 for a two weeks before adding MOTS-C.

[jackiee]

@commander , how long have you been doing Mt-2 three times per week? I did MT-1 for 10 days straight and I got the best tan! It is dark and such a nice color. It's been 3 weeks and I have hardly lost any of it and I haven't pinned it since.

I currently take two: GHK-cu twice daily and TA-1 twice weekly. I will cycle MOTS-c again in a few weeks.

My hubby is taking Reta twice weekly and Wolverine daily.

[w_winegeart@yahoo.com]

@nosaj said in Mots-c and SS-31:

Looking for opinions on how necessary it is to run SS-31 before Mots-c. Ready to add Mots to my stack tomorrow and second guessing myself with all the talk about SS-31. Would it hurt to try the Mots first? I have a generally low carb diet and have intermittent fasted for years. Already have the Mots and adding to CJC/Ipa, Reta
Thanks guys

[jackiee]

Not sure, but I ran MOTS-c for almost 12 weeks and I have never run SS-31.

[ResearchCat]

If you don’t have significant metabolism dysfunction, you probably don’t need SS-31 beforehand.

[quicksilver80]

@ResearchCat the way i see it is if alot of us were heavy to begin with. its not like our metabolism was doing good in the first place. im not seeing any serious side effects. worth a try.

[kenhnsy]

@Stan-Douglas said in Mots-c and SS-31:

I'm at 8 today:

I'm about to cycle back on and count 12 filled pens in the refrigerator. 2 more coming up. Freaks. All of you.

[ResearchCat]

@gym.rat @quicksilver80 Yeah, I am by no means the authority. A lot of us tend to do all of the things, and it’s hard to assume we either do or do not need on particular thing. I am willing to bet that researching MOTS-C by itself will be effective, but also that running the mechanic stack (SS-31, MOTS-C, NAD+) will also be effective. I don’t know how old or healthy people are, and while I often assume the young folks are in better shape than me, I have been made aware that a lot of young guys’ metabolisms are messed up for a variety of reasons.

As the saying goes, “that’s why they call it research.”

My standard disclaimer is that I am focused on longevity and healthspan, so I won’t know if any of it is working until I’m dead.

[Commander]

@jackie
Only a couple of weeks so far