Peptide Test message about Hospira pricing
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This will piss you guys off. So I apologize in advance. It is information only to provide additional context on what a scam this situation is. We have a contract with a medical supply company (favorable terms based on the overall volume of supplies we purchase annually) and currently the price is about $60 for a case of 25 of H bac. The math ain't mathing. Someone is making a tidy sum. 10x markup over wholesale, at least. Viva la revolution! Don't shoot the messenger.
This makes sense. Hospitals, doctors offices and anyone buying it legally aren’t paying what we are..
Don’t forget, places like Medex aren’t even supposed to sell it to people without a prescription. I am sure anyone that has a prescription for it gets it cheap. I am sure in 2024 when Medex was selling a case for $69, doctors and everyone buying it legally were probably paying $20 a case.@Commander This whole thing exploded after FDA's surreptitious ban on 17 popular peps that earlier used to come through compounding channel.
FDA is one entity that needs immediate dissolution and shutdown.
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@Commander This whole thing exploded after FDA's surreptitious ban on 17 popular peps that earlier used to come through compounding channel.
FDA is one entity that needs immediate dissolution and shutdown.
@pep_researcher
I don’t know about shutting them down… we do need someone to make sure food and stuff is safe. -
@Stevepep I like Lambda and bought a couple the other day. Unfortunately, they don't have the NaCl/CH3 mix for MOTS-C & SS-31. Love having as many alternatives as possible!
NaCl/CH3 mix for MOTS-C & SS-31.
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Maybe another post about solvents is in order. I thought I had everything covered now by H BAC, except for acetic acid for AOD.For those who think water is simple, a small chemical mixing company had 4 chemical engineers (one with a PhD) just to make purified water for pure solutions. Not simple. And we can all afford pH strips and Brix meters if these are valid test instruments.
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NaCl/CH3 mix for MOTS-C & SS-31.
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Maybe another post about solvents is in order. I thought I had everything covered now by H BAC, except for acetic acid for AOD.For those who think water is simple, a small chemical mixing company had 4 chemical engineers (one with a PhD) just to make purified water for pure solutions. Not simple. And we can all afford pH strips and Brix meters if these are valid test instruments.
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Well they got me. Ordered 3 just to have a supply moving forward. Had my first bad experience the other day. Reconstituted with something other than Hospira and it turned the peptide to sludge.
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Well they got me. Ordered 3 just to have a supply moving forward. Had my first bad experience the other day. Reconstituted with something other than Hospira and it turned the peptide to sludge.
@cc4part41 said:
Well they got me. Ordered 3 just to have a supply moving forward. Had my first bad experience the other day. Reconstituted with something other than Hospira and it turned the peptide to sludge.
So lets think about that for a second. What peptide did you order that turned to sludge? And how much was that vial that was ruined?
Please excuse my typos. Small Phone & Bad Eyes
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@cc4part41 said:
Well they got me. Ordered 3 just to have a supply moving forward. Had my first bad experience the other day. Reconstituted with something other than Hospira and it turned the peptide to sludge.
So lets think about that for a second. What peptide did you order that turned to sludge? And how much was that vial that was ruined?
@cc4part41 said:
Well they got me. Ordered 3 just to have a supply moving forward. Had my first bad experience the other day. Reconstituted with something other than Hospira and it turned the peptide to sludge.
So lets think about that for a second. What peptide did you order that turned to sludge? And how much was that vial that was ruined?
Wasn't that my point? Live and learn. Appreciate your helpful feedback.
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@cc4part41 said:
Well they got me. Ordered 3 just to have a supply moving forward. Had my first bad experience the other day. Reconstituted with something other than Hospira and it turned the peptide to sludge.
So lets think about that for a second. What peptide did you order that turned to sludge? And how much was that vial that was ruined?
Wasn't that my point? Live and learn. Appreciate your helpful feedback.
@cc4part41 well what was reconned?
I’ve used hospira, retail vendors BAC and individual plastic amps of BAC. Haven’t had an issue with sludge.
If I bought a single vial of peptides and a vendors brand water to recon and try it out I’m going back complain to them if it’s not clear.
But since then I only use hospira for 6 weeks and store in fridge.
We’re to the point where your 10-12mg of Reta from a kit costs less than water. That’s crazy and can’t stand. I’m going to other brands not giving a monopoly to them.
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@Eleanor
Oh…
I just use my Hospira with everything and it works. So I never looked into it."If it works, don't fix it."
@Eleanor
I agree with just using Hospira. It's the one constant that I don't want to change. -
@Eleanor
I agree with just using Hospira. It's the one constant that I don't want to change.@CapmanCrunch I use it too and I agree but we are just supporting Pfizer the very company who is doing everything they can to ban our use of peptides. So if an alternative that can be trusted comes along I will be using them. It makes us all pretty hypocritical me included to push the Hospira narrative.
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Daro just sent out that Genetek back for testing, it looks like it came back good. He sees it… I never used it. Pricing is OK, not great. I think I still paid less for Hospira, but who knows what that will cost in the future
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Just saw this on Glaciar. Haven't ordered from them in a while, but was looking to try DSIP before I go to my usual EZ for single vials.
Reconstitution Warranty
Exchanges for reconstitution-related issues are only honored when our bacteriostatic water is used. Our water is independently 7X-tested for sterility and integrity before shipping. If a third-party water source was used, the product is not eligible for our Exchange Policy. -
Daro just sent out that Genetek back for testing, it looks like it came back good. He sees it… I never used it. Pricing is OK, not great. I think I still paid less for Hospira, but who knows what that will cost in the future
@Commander How did you get Genetek water finally? Contacted them directly or ordered from Indiamart?
I would guess it would be good. India is a big pharma hub and many Asian pep users use that brand according to Reddit posts.
BTW it looks like there's a Genetek US too. I was talking about those small ampoules one the Indian brand.
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Very interesting, is this the one your talking about https://genetekusa.com/product/bacteriostatic-water/ I like how they have 10ml vials and 30ml vials.
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Very interesting, is this the one your talking about https://genetekusa.com/product/bacteriostatic-water/ I like how they have 10ml vials and 30ml vials.
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@Stevepep But look at their prices and COAs?
pH above 6 already. H BAC sits around 5.5 that's a regulatory requirement. And Genetek prices are in H BAC range. What's the point in picking these over H BAC then?
High pH messes up pH sensitive peps and that explains why researchers often get a sludge right after recon.
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@Commander How did you get Genetek water finally? Contacted them directly or ordered from Indiamart?
I would guess it would be good. India is a big pharma hub and many Asian pep users use that brand according to Reddit posts.
BTW it looks like there's a Genetek US too. I was talking about those small ampoules one the Indian brand.
@pep_researcher
I didn’t buy any. Daro Pep has the plastic ampules. As far as these https://genetekusa.com/product/bacteriostatic-water/ go, those prices are higher than Hospira... -
@Stevepep But look at their prices and COAs?
pH above 6 already. H BAC sits around 5.5 that's a regulatory requirement. And Genetek prices are in H BAC range. What's the point in picking these over H BAC then?
High pH messes up pH sensitive peps and that explains why researchers often get a sludge right after recon.
@pep_researcher I didn't do any research on it. I only care because Hospira is Pfizer, and like I said, it kills me to support them when they are trying to destroy this market. It makes me feel like a hypocrite. I got Lambda just to test and tested the pH, and it was 5.8. TDS 0, Brix came back around 9 pct Alcohol content. Brix can be slightly off; there is a conversion that they do, which I have no clue about. I haven't tried it at all to pin or constitute. I have to post the pictures I took at some point in that other thread. Gonna do the same with Parrox. Not sure if this is helpful or not, but it cost me nothing to have these types of tests done.
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