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Discussion: We Bought Eloralintide. Then the Lab Results Stopped Adding Up.

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  • M mikebricker

    Looks like it’s time for the members to boycott Vanguard.

    I want to buy a box of the Chengdu Elora, but now I’m confused over what the 10mg vials have? 10? 11? 12? Seems a good move would be to use 11 in my dosing.

    Also, that has to be the most tested batch in history. At least we know the purity…

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    @mikebricker go look at our multilab comparison article where we sent reta to the same labs. https://peptidecritic.com/lab-report/why-test-results-vary-between-labs-multi-lab-coa-comparison

    This is an 11mg average batch. Thats how it works in this space. We tested the nexaph bottles of elora at afi and vanguard and got lower numbers than jano.

    Plus/minus 10% is kind of the norm. much more than that and we start asking questions and paying for more testing 😉

    Vanguard dropped the ball here. Human error happens. Even to the best labs.

    "If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"

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    • S Stevepep

      Why can’t we just get a lab to be accurate on everything it’s Jano or bust at this point

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      @Stevepep jano has made mistakes too. We need robots running the tests.

      "If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"

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      • RandyR Randy

        @mikebricker go look at our multilab comparison article where we sent reta to the same labs. https://peptidecritic.com/lab-report/why-test-results-vary-between-labs-multi-lab-coa-comparison

        This is an 11mg average batch. Thats how it works in this space. We tested the nexaph bottles of elora at afi and vanguard and got lower numbers than jano.

        Plus/minus 10% is kind of the norm. much more than that and we start asking questions and paying for more testing 😉

        Vanguard dropped the ball here. Human error happens. Even to the best labs.

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        @Randy Thanks. Appreciate the info. I ran QA for a Navy Nuclear Submarine maintenance facility for a few years when I was active duty. QC is just as important as QA. Looks like Vanguard thought they had the QA but dropped the ball on QC with these samples. They need to do fact finding to determine the root cause of their SNAFU.

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        • RandyR Randy

          @Stevepep jano has made mistakes too. We need robots running the tests.

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          @Randy said:

          @Stevepep jano has made mistakes too. We need robots running the tests.

          Totally, it’s maddening none of these labs can be consistent. The QA is non existent. You need process and oversight which none of them seem to have

          Mr Musk help us out please

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            Why didn't anyone actually test the same vials that vanguard offered to send them of the samples that tested high? That seems like it would have actually provided you a useful data point and would have saved you money in testing.

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            • mmpM mmp

              @pep_researcher

              Probably they will not disclose their round robin results.

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              @mmp Dustin's message says they sent vials to BT labs as only BT accepted their offer.

              I guess it's always going to be a gamble in any wellness research space and that includes even big brothers and so called official channels too.

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              • P pure_pep

                Why didn't anyone actually test the same vials that vanguard offered to send them of the samples that tested high? That seems like it would have actually provided you a useful data point and would have saved you money in testing.

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                @pure_pep they offered them to another lab.

                This was a dilution calculation error by vanguard. I've seen similar fuckups by them and EVERY OTHER LAB in the space.

                "If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"

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                • RandyR Randy

                  @Stevepep jano has made mistakes too. We need robots running the tests.

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                  @Randy said:

                  We need robots running the tests

                  💯 Agreed.

                  Instead they are using AI for making stupid Instagram memes and deep fake videos. This is a race to the bottom for tech.

                  I'm in tech and often have "pulling my hair out" moments seeing their misguided focus in what to apply it to. 😞

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                  • pep_researcherP pep_researcher

                    @Randy said:

                    We need robots running the tests

                    💯 Agreed.

                    Instead they are using AI for making stupid Instagram memes and deep fake videos. This is a race to the bottom for tech.

                    I'm in tech and often have "pulling my hair out" moments seeing their misguided focus in what to apply it to. 😞

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                    @pep_researcher Not fair. The labs also use AI to generate fishy explanations of why they tested 150% the amount of the content (which is seen from a different font and spelling errors in few sentences they actually used a human to write).

                    attentiion is all you need

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                    • vpepsV vpeps

                      @pep_researcher Not fair. The labs also use AI to generate fishy explanations of why they tested 150% the amount of the content (which is seen from a different font and spelling errors in few sentences they actually used a human to write).

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                      @vpeps 😂 Yeah so that's not right either. I meant robots to do precise dilutions is okay, but labs using LLM apps to hallucinate on test reports is not okay — that AI use is strict no no. Hehe

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                      • mmpM mmp

                        It’s clear that nothing is clear 😃
                        Vanguard will not admit the mistake

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                        Clear as Mud

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                          Pray for the vials tested on Fridays.

                          Remember: there are no peptides that can fill the emptiness inside your cold heart.

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