Any fans of Josh Holyfield and his ZestyRat brand?
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@commander I guess I missed something, what am I giving him a free pass for? I said repeatedly he is big boy and he knew fhe deal when he started creating content, i also never forced anyone to purchase anything from him, i dont care that you have an issue with him nkt showing COA's, but dont buy from him then, my concern was with attacking the man for his appearance, I just think thats a shallow form of arguing when it should be fact based, I know its reall easy for people to catch momentum with a common enemy or whatever, im just confused what the free pass comment is about, maybe I overlooked something, are we mad because he has face tattoos or because of COA's for peptides nobody twisted anybody arm to buy or we mad because he is a meathead? I think i said in the first comment that anyone woth personal beef with him thats not what im talking about, how would I know anyone had problems with someone if I wasnt there, my thing was the people jumping on personally attacking him because they arent happy with how he looks, i apologize if I came off any other way, for the higher standards thing I already hold military personnel in high standards and respect, I didnt serve so i cant comment on how yall treat each other but thank you as well, I enjoy the freedom yall provided for me, im not mad right now either im just curious what the free pass was about, the man has helped me out, he obviously didnt help most people here, I get it, but to talk trash on him because he didnt provide everyone with a certificate on his website that he paid for the certificate I think is uncalled for when the simple solution is dont buy his products, maybe eventually he figures it out and changes how he does business, maybe not either way like I said head to peptidecritic.com and the list there is more than adequate to remedy any ailments you may have, let me know if I have missed something and if so ill be the first to apologize and excuse myself from the conversation, yall have a great Monday, can you believe Iran is demanding that we publicly admit our defeat over there, and I really thought i would get a like for my family fund comment, that bums me out
@stevencarter you realize you are in a forum and people have opinions. I for one am not taking advice from a jacked up guy on steroids who self proclaims he knows more than anyone about peptides and just uses two. Who also publicly tells people fabricated nonsense and is an AI content creating machine. There are knowledgeable people out there he is not one of them. Feel free to pay him and follow him that’s your right. Feel free to defend his antics that’s also your right, it’s my right to say he is a jackass that’s my opinion because if it were up to him we would just take his word on everything because it’s gospel. Ya, no thanks and yes he also looks like a jackass also my opinion.
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@commander I guess I missed something, what am I giving him a free pass for? I said repeatedly he is big boy and he knew fhe deal when he started creating content, i also never forced anyone to purchase anything from him, i dont care that you have an issue with him nkt showing COA's, but dont buy from him then, my concern was with attacking the man for his appearance, I just think thats a shallow form of arguing when it should be fact based, I know its reall easy for people to catch momentum with a common enemy or whatever, im just confused what the free pass comment is about, maybe I overlooked something, are we mad because he has face tattoos or because of COA's for peptides nobody twisted anybody arm to buy or we mad because he is a meathead? I think i said in the first comment that anyone woth personal beef with him thats not what im talking about, how would I know anyone had problems with someone if I wasnt there, my thing was the people jumping on personally attacking him because they arent happy with how he looks, i apologize if I came off any other way, for the higher standards thing I already hold military personnel in high standards and respect, I didnt serve so i cant comment on how yall treat each other but thank you as well, I enjoy the freedom yall provided for me, im not mad right now either im just curious what the free pass was about, the man has helped me out, he obviously didnt help most people here, I get it, but to talk trash on him because he didnt provide everyone with a certificate on his website that he paid for the certificate I think is uncalled for when the simple solution is dont buy his products, maybe eventually he figures it out and changes how he does business, maybe not either way like I said head to peptidecritic.com and the list there is more than adequate to remedy any ailments you may have, let me know if I have missed something and if so ill be the first to apologize and excuse myself from the conversation, yall have a great Monday, can you believe Iran is demanding that we publicly admit our defeat over there, and I really thought i would get a like for my family fund comment, that bums me out
@commander I guess I missed something, what am I giving him a free pass for? I said repeatedly he is big boy and he knew fhe deal when he started creating content, i also never forced anyone to purchase anything from him, i dont care that you have an issue with him nkt showing COA's, but dont buy from him then, my concern was with attacking the man for his appearance, I just think thats a shallow form of arguing when it should be fact based, I know its reall easy for people to catch momentum with a common enemy or whatever, im just confused what the free pass comment is about, maybe I overlooked something, are we mad because he has face tattoos or because of COA's for peptides nobody twisted anybody arm to buy or we mad because he is a meathead? I think i said in the first comment that anyone woth personal beef with him thats not what im talking about, how would I know anyone had problems with someone if I wasnt there, my thing was the people jumping on personally attacking him because they arent happy with how he looks, i apologize if I came off any other way, for the higher standards thing I already hold military personnel in high standards and respect, I didnt serve so i cant comment on how yall treat each other but thank you as well, I enjoy the freedom yall provided for me, im not mad right now either im just curious what the free pass was about, the man has helped me out, he obviously didnt help most people here, I get it, but to talk trash on him because he didnt provide everyone with a certificate on his website that he paid for the certificate I think is uncalled for when the simple solution is dont buy his products, maybe eventually he figures it out and changes how he does business, maybe not either way like I said head to peptidecritic.com and the list there is more than adequate to remedy any ailments you may have, let me know if I have missed something and if so ill be the first to apologize and excuse myself from the conversation, yall have a great Monday, can you believe Iran is demanding that we publicly admit our defeat over there, and I really thought i would get a like for my family fund comment, that bums me out
I actually give him credit for responding. You lost me with your lengthy meandering posts.
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@commander I guess I missed something, what am I giving him a free pass for? I said repeatedly he is big boy and he knew fhe deal when he started creating content, i also never forced anyone to purchase anything from him, i dont care that you have an issue with him nkt showing COA's, but dont buy from him then, my concern was with attacking the man for his appearance, I just think thats a shallow form of arguing when it should be fact based, I know its reall easy for people to catch momentum with a common enemy or whatever, im just confused what the free pass comment is about, maybe I overlooked something, are we mad because he has face tattoos or because of COA's for peptides nobody twisted anybody arm to buy or we mad because he is a meathead? I think i said in the first comment that anyone woth personal beef with him thats not what im talking about, how would I know anyone had problems with someone if I wasnt there, my thing was the people jumping on personally attacking him because they arent happy with how he looks, i apologize if I came off any other way, for the higher standards thing I already hold military personnel in high standards and respect, I didnt serve so i cant comment on how yall treat each other but thank you as well, I enjoy the freedom yall provided for me, im not mad right now either im just curious what the free pass was about, the man has helped me out, he obviously didnt help most people here, I get it, but to talk trash on him because he didnt provide everyone with a certificate on his website that he paid for the certificate I think is uncalled for when the simple solution is dont buy his products, maybe eventually he figures it out and changes how he does business, maybe not either way like I said head to peptidecritic.com and the list there is more than adequate to remedy any ailments you may have, let me know if I have missed something and if so ill be the first to apologize and excuse myself from the conversation, yall have a great Monday, can you believe Iran is demanding that we publicly admit our defeat over there, and I really thought i would get a like for my family fund comment, that bums me out
I actually give him credit for responding. You lost me with your lengthy meandering posts.
@Mydogdaryl423 A lot of times, not saying that's what this is. It's people who have affiliate links all over social media. I do not think that's the case here just a guy who buys the BS from the self proclaimed expert of experts. That's his right if he likes him, so be it. IMO its just a waste of this incredible community's time to even discuss this topic.
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It looks like Josh just got hammered by the Youtube peptide censors. Which is too bad, because there was a good amount of info on his channel.
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I did like Josh's content for sure and his weekly Q&A's were pretty full of what I felt was good info. Its a resource to use. Like it? Great! Don't? There's plenty of info elsewhere, too.
I think his group can be a bit stiff, but I've gleaned good info from over there, had good interactions with other users, and am now more of a lurker when I want to search the posts. The web is a buffet. Take what you want, leave the rest.
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@Mydogdaryl423 A lot of times, not saying that's what this is. It's people who have affiliate links all over social media. I do not think that's the case here just a guy who buys the BS from the self proclaimed expert of experts. That's his right if he likes him, so be it. IMO its just a waste of this incredible community's time to even discuss this topic.
@Stevepep In my opinion, I think this topic is more than valid and provides valuable info to the people in this community in a couple ways.
First it allows for open discussion on reputable sources for information that is valid and not valid.
Also, it gives some insight on what to look for when considering sources for information and products themselves.
Don’t forget that if someone isn’t interested in the topic they have the ability to not read it and potentially waste their time. -
@Stevepep In my opinion, I think this topic is more than valid and provides valuable info to the people in this community in a couple ways.
First it allows for open discussion on reputable sources for information that is valid and not valid.
Also, it gives some insight on what to look for when considering sources for information and products themselves.
Don’t forget that if someone isn’t interested in the topic they have the ability to not read it and potentially waste their time.@HockeyRat Totally fair; that's why I said IMO. I don't find value in his AI content at all; others may.
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@commander Agreed, but for newbies, they don’t know what to ask or what to look for. My biggest gripe with all the channels getting banned is that the good info gets lost along with the bad. Putting aside all the stuff above - good and bad - Josh’s channel did provide a lot of information, and if you play it back at 2x, he sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks.
Anyway, now he is sitting there somewhere all mad wondering why he got banned, just like the rest of us.
Yeah, well, I’m just here for the research, man. - The Dude
If I haven’t liked your post, no offense. I have exceeded my daily allowance.
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@commander Agreed, but for newbies, they don’t know what to ask or what to look for. My biggest gripe with all the channels getting banned is that the good info gets lost along with the bad. Putting aside all the stuff above - good and bad - Josh’s channel did provide a lot of information, and if you play it back at 2x, he sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks.
Anyway, now he is sitting there somewhere all mad wondering why he got banned, just like the rest of us.
@ResearchCat That was really my issue is its Newbies getting bad advice. Like no COA's etc. Once people get into it and gain experience, they aren't taking his advice and realize how bad much of it was.
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@commander Agreed, but for newbies, they don’t know what to ask or what to look for. My biggest gripe with all the channels getting banned is that the good info gets lost along with the bad. Putting aside all the stuff above - good and bad - Josh’s channel did provide a lot of information, and if you play it back at 2x, he sounds like Alvin and the Chipmunks.
Anyway, now he is sitting there somewhere all mad wondering why he got banned, just like the rest of us.
@ResearchCat I'm glad to hear I'm not the only one who listens to peptide Vlogs at a faster speed!
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I realize exactly what this is, and im saying I struck a nerve apparently so I retreat. Im gonna move on to other things. All good. Anyone have anything good to say about injectable glutathione? Im on the mitochondrial kick now. Researching NAD and mots c, thinking about adding GSH.
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Yeah he evidently got butt hurt by a reply I made to someone inquiring about what and where he could get glutathione transport BAC water, on his Skool community. Which by the way, I met and talked to some great folks there. But I don't post any links all I said was to do a google search for it and look for "NA" which we know is Nexus Aminos. Well that got me banned from his Skool community. I mean really? He doesn't even sell GTB to begin with.
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Yeah he evidently got butt hurt by a reply I made to someone inquiring about what and where he could get glutathione transport BAC water, on his Skool community. Which by the way, I met and talked to some great folks there. But I don't post any links all I said was to do a google search for it and look for "NA" which we know is Nexus Aminos. Well that got me banned from his Skool community. I mean really? He doesn't even sell GTB to begin with.
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@mrjoshua44 I havent been kicked from his skool yet. is it free?
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Yeah he evidently got butt hurt by a reply I made to someone inquiring about what and where he could get glutathione transport BAC water, on his Skool community. Which by the way, I met and talked to some great folks there. But I don't post any links all I said was to do a google search for it and look for "NA" which we know is Nexus Aminos. Well that got me banned from his Skool community. I mean really? He doesn't even sell GTB to begin with.
@mrjoshua44 I know someone else who was a critical voice on Josh's forum who got kicked out.
Some of these Skool groups are like kindergarten classes. The admins are worshipped like Gods and they don't allow any critical discussion of labs, their affiliate vendors, or themselves.
I was active on Derek's forum until some time back when he put his classroom behind paywall and started dumping AI generated posts round the clock along with his co-admin, suppressed any discussion of testing lab chaos, especially Kovera and ILS that almost every vendor on his site jumped to.
That's when I started reading more here and found much better topics than round the clock AI dumps from admins.
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I realize exactly what this is, and im saying I struck a nerve apparently so I retreat. Im gonna move on to other things. All good. Anyone have anything good to say about injectable glutathione? Im on the mitochondrial kick now. Researching NAD and mots c, thinking about adding GSH.
@stevencarter Don’t take it personally, seriously. It’s perfectly fine if you like the guy and his community. People have strong opinions and that’s okay.
@mrjoshua44 If you so much as mention that sites other than zestyrat exist, even if it is for something he doesn’t sell, you’re gone.
Yeah, well, I’m just here for the research, man. - The Dude
If I haven’t liked your post, no offense. I have exceeded my daily allowance.
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is it free?
@randy Yes it's free. I'm there but I rarely check it or comment on anything. So I'm still there.
My counterpoint to what some people have posted, including myself, is that my peptide bestie is still there and Josh has spent a fair amount of time answering specific protocol and health questions, as well as making recommendations for what might or might not be useful for his GF, who has numerous health problems. But that friend almost never posts except to ask questions about protocols.
You just have to tread carefully because any mis-steps will get you banned without explanation, and that kind of sucks. And if people start coming to you as an expert in the space, you’re definitely catching the hammer.
I’d probably still be on there if I hadn’t gotten banned 3 days after joining.
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@stevencarter Don’t take it personally, seriously. It’s perfectly fine if you like the guy and his community. People have strong opinions and that’s okay.
@mrjoshua44 If you so much as mention that sites other than zestyrat exist, even if it is for something he doesn’t sell, you’re gone.
@ResearchCat Still think it's stupid though, never mentioned the actual name of the site too. I spoke with someone close to Josh that I keep in touch with on FB messenger told him what happened and he didn't think I did anything wrong. But no hard feelings, just hate that I lost contact with some of those guys that really helped me through my journey so far. I'm also too old to deal with petty crap like that, so no skin off my back.
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This is a little mind boggling other than this guy saying he is an expert and the biggest expert in the space according to him and only him what credentials does he have that give him this mantle? Is it, if he says it enough people will believe it? If I only knew this was a thing I would be rich. Once someone makes a case for why there should be no COA's and then in the next breath says every peptide comes from China they have lost any semblance of credibility. Bye and good riddance to this AI generated, bad advice giving trash. Guys like this will ruin it for the rest of us.
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