Eloralintide
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Wow new research material.
https://www.xcelpeptides.com/product/eloralintide/
@randy Would it be available from any of the vetted vendors on the site?
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Must be Uther product.
@bangkokiscool Never dealt with or bought from Uther. Who are they? Greys?
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very established grey and possibly mfr as well. US warehouse is limited (utherpep.com), and CN orders used to require $800 min order but I think that's changed now. Discussed here in greys section. Anyway they're the ones that announced they will sell eloralintide soon, although there is a very fascinating discussion on peppys about how hard it is to mfr this, and how hard it will be to test as well. Not like anything that's come before.
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Xcel Peptides has some stuff that I'm interested in. Has anyone ordered from them before? Good vendor?
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Uther got it tested now.
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Uther I believe is a finisher/packager, as opposed to a manufacturer, but probably as close as we'll get to buying direct. My understanding is the difficulty in producing it is the shape of this molecule is specific to the targeted receptor. Even if the chemical properties are be met, if the key is not designed right, it won't fit the lock it's meant for. So, done wrong it may not be effective or do something else all together. Given that, I'm in no rush on this one. Question I have is how does Janoshik or any lab know how to test for something that's not even close to being released? Reta included? Shared database of known signatures?
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Uther I believe is a finisher/packager, as opposed to a manufacturer, but probably as close as we'll get to buying direct. My understanding is the difficulty in producing it is the shape of this molecule is specific to the targeted receptor. Even if the chemical properties are be met, if the key is not designed right, it won't fit the lock it's meant for. So, done wrong it may not be effective or do something else all together. Given that, I'm in no rush on this one. Question I have is how does Janoshik or any lab know how to test for something that's not even close to being released? Reta included? Shared database of known signatures?
@Newenough I have gone down this rabbit hole because I have distrust in the testing. I have emailed and gotten responses and talked to a bunch of researchers at universities at conferences I attend. They start with a common database and then create their own and use AI to constantly make the testing better and more accurate. This is the very reason why I trust Janoshik more because they test more than every other lab combined and have been doing it for years, so their database is far larger than these small labs. The data is the key and it is constantly being refined. If you pop up a lab tomorrow, you don't have the decade or more of data to use in your analysis. You have a sample, not 10's of thousands. The AI is constantly adjusting and increasing accuracy in the pool of data points. I am not sure any of these small labs do any of this; they probably rely on a library that may or may not be accurate.
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@Newenough I have gone down this rabbit hole because I have distrust in the testing. I have emailed and gotten responses and talked to a bunch of researchers at universities at conferences I attend. They start with a common database and then create their own and use AI to constantly make the testing better and more accurate. This is the very reason why I trust Janoshik more because they test more than every other lab combined and have been doing it for years, so their database is far larger than these small labs. The data is the key and it is constantly being refined. If you pop up a lab tomorrow, you don't have the decade or more of data to use in your analysis. You have a sample, not 10's of thousands. The AI is constantly adjusting and increasing accuracy in the pool of data points. I am not sure any of these small labs do any of this; they probably rely on a library that may or may not be accurate.
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@Stevepep do you know of any suppliers who do 7x (or more) testing through Jano for everything? I just to find a solid supplier that only uses Jano for testing.
@BeeKind nexaph is doing full panel testing through Jano now and the third party testing (which they pay for) does full panel as well. All these vendors say 7 panel. There is ID, purity, mass, sterility, endotoxin and heavy metals. They say 7 not sure what else I guess Fentanyl is another. I don’t think they test third party for fentanyl which if there were fentanyl you would have a lot of dead lab folks. If it’s single vials EZ is selling the same stuff as Nexaph. The only down side is they sell what they know and nothing else I have written Cain on this they don’t add new less known peptides until they are fully vetted. They also have an open mind on other labs. They have an old established rep and don’t want to mess with that. It’s my go to for the most part I have stopped chasing deals I just want to know the stuff is good and safe
I should add according to Cain they won’t be paying for full panel on third party testing anymore just HPLC since they are doing full panel internally.
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@BeeKind nexaph is doing full panel testing through Jano now and the third party testing (which they pay for) does full panel as well. All these vendors say 7 panel. There is ID, purity, mass, sterility, endotoxin and heavy metals. They say 7 not sure what else I guess Fentanyl is another. I don’t think they test third party for fentanyl which if there were fentanyl you would have a lot of dead lab folks. If it’s single vials EZ is selling the same stuff as Nexaph. The only down side is they sell what they know and nothing else I have written Cain on this they don’t add new less known peptides until they are fully vetted. They also have an open mind on other labs. They have an old established rep and don’t want to mess with that. It’s my go to for the most part I have stopped chasing deals I just want to know the stuff is good and safe
I should add according to Cain they won’t be paying for full panel on third party testing anymore just HPLC since they are doing full panel internally.
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@Stevepep I'm with you, at this point I don't want to chase deals either, just safe and real peps.
@BeeKind I have learned that simple is better; all the grey buying leads to too much risk. I don't need pubes in my vial. I took a flyer on groupbuykits on a small order just to check it out. I am starting to regret it, so I will just let it play out. I have my comfort zone with a few retailers, and that's it for me for now. The stuff works, I feel safe, and they have great customer service. So why mess around IMO. On top of that, I am not in a position to vet a manufacturer. I will leave that up to retailers like Nexaph, who do this for a living. Just my opinion after doing this for a bit. I know I am paying more, but safe is good.
Put in the wrong one https://testing.nexaph.com/NXP-ATP3005072026-01. All this SS-31 talk
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The problem with Groupbuykits is that you don't know who the suppliers are or what the actual prices are. You're taking their word on pricing, and you still have the possibility of a shipment not getting delivered. To be fair I haven't heard of this happening, but the risk is still there. Additionally, your waiting 4-5 weeks for delivery and the testing could be handled in a more in a more logical manner. They have enough pricing built into their business model that it should be more straightforward and worry free. I am on my third order from them, and so far, I think that people are generally better off just buying from Nexaph. You might save a little with Groupbuykits, but it's not enough to make it worthwhile.
That being said, I have a wholesale account with Nexaph and their prices per vial based on the high minimum quantity required, is not that great. I like Nexaph, but I put together an order that totaled $44,000. I contacted them and said the pricing didn't work for my project expecting they would offer a further discount of some kind and they wouldn't budge. I offered to make the order 50K or more and still no additional discounts?
The vendors in the peptide world seem to have all the angles figured out. My dilemma is, I do not want to send a large amount of money to China because of the risk involved. It seems like there are a bunch of us with the same problem.
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@Randy Too damn late unfortunately, small order though, so small it's not worth testing on my own unless I planned on ordering again from them. I keep saying stay in my lane and pay a little more, but Grey keeps sucking me back in. Hopefully, I have finally learned. At least I can dispute the charge since it's a CC. Can't do that with my honey, Lisa, on Telegram after my Coinbase transfer. So there's that.
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The problem with Groupbuykits is that you don't know who the suppliers are or what the actual prices are. You're taking their word on pricing, and you still have the possibility of a shipment not getting delivered. To be fair I haven't heard of this happening, but the risk is still there. Additionally, your waiting 4-5 weeks for delivery and the testing could be handled in a more in a more logical manner. They have enough pricing built into their business model that it should be more straightforward and worry free. I am on my third order from them, and so far, I think that people are generally better off just buying from Nexaph. You might save a little with Groupbuykits, but it's not enough to make it worthwhile.
That being said, I have a wholesale account with Nexaph and their prices per vial based on the high minimum quantity required, is not that great. I like Nexaph, but I put together an order that totaled $44,000. I contacted them and said the pricing didn't work for my project expecting they would offer a further discount of some kind and they wouldn't budge. I offered to make the order 50K or more and still no additional discounts?
The vendors in the peptide world seem to have all the angles figured out. My dilemma is, I do not want to send a large amount of money to China because of the risk involved. It seems like there are a bunch of us with the same problem.
Does anyone know of any possible solutions or have suggestions.@CapmanCrunch Not sure if this helps, but I would go to China and meet the people who run the factory. I have done a bunch of manufacturing in China and the face to face is a game changer. These types of factories are all typically located in the same province so visit several. They will sponsor you if you don't have a Visa. With that type of money at stake, it's worth the trip.
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@CapmanCrunch Not sure if this helps, but I would go to China and meet the people who run the factory. I have done a bunch of manufacturing in China and the face to face is a game changer. These types of factories are all typically located in the same province so visit several. They will sponsor you if you don't have a Visa. With that type of money at stake, it's worth the trip.
@Stevepep
Thank you,
In my current business, I bought shipping containers full of product in from China (not peptides) and the prices were great. I had a partner that was originally from there and knew people and got it set up. I did 3 shipments and then we started to run into quality issues.
I wouldn't anticipate that to be a problem with peptides though.
I think there are only a handful of manufactures that handle the majority of the peptides.
. Cag I added is giving me flashbacks of semaglutide days 
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