Ion Peptides User Review: FAKE REVIEWS FAKE PEPTIDES
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@Randy Many vendors are using multiple labs due to testing delays. Some switched from Freedom when they decided to do full panel testing.
Ion has added a ton to their portfolio and they sell out batches fast. So probably using multiple testing labs.
I'm in a couple of other communities where Ion is quite popular. Haven't seen anyone complaining about quality. I've used Ion too without any problems.
OP hasn't given substantial evidence why they claim COAs are fake.
@pep_researcher said in Ion Peptides User Review: FAKE REVIEWS FAKE PEPTIDES:
Some switched from Freedom when they decided to do full panel testing.
What does this mean?
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@pep_researcher said in Ion Peptides User Review: FAKE REVIEWS FAKE PEPTIDES:
Some switched from Freedom when they decided to do full panel testing.
What does this mean?
@Commander Full panel — net content, purity, ID, endotoxins, heavy metals, sterility or more.
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@pep_researcher said in Ion Peptides User Review: FAKE REVIEWS FAKE PEPTIDES:
Some switched from Freedom when they decided to do full panel testing.
What does this mean?
@Commander Just as we are discussing Ion's chaotic lab choices, on another forum the admin made some explanatory posts about Ion's choices.
So looks like a lot of people are raising questions. But I still don't think they use fake COAs or do any cheating.
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@pep_researcher just saw it
There's been a lot of noise around ION lately — questions about COAs, multiple lab usage, batch failures. I want to share my perspective with you guys directly because this community is where I'd rather have the conversation, not in the TikTok comments.
What I Know About the Lab Situation
A while back, Shay told me he wanted to move ION toward 7X testing across different companies. To do that, he tried to go to AFI — but AFI doesn't offer endotoxin testing. So he started cross-testing with both AFI and Freedom Diagnostics to cover the full panel.
That's the context behind the multi-lab situation. It wasn't COA shopping. It was trying to build a more complete testing program when no single lab covered everything he wanted. -
@gym.rat The issue I had with the GHK/KPV blend was crystallized when reconned first 2 vials. I reached out to Shay, sent pics, he sent me 6 new vials from new batch. Pulled the entire batch from their shelves per se. Received the new batch in 3 days, no issues encountered so far.
Add’l items: KPV, ARA, TA-1, capsule creams, Reta all worked fine for me
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@pep_researcher just saw it
There's been a lot of noise around ION lately — questions about COAs, multiple lab usage, batch failures. I want to share my perspective with you guys directly because this community is where I'd rather have the conversation, not in the TikTok comments.
What I Know About the Lab Situation
A while back, Shay told me he wanted to move ION toward 7X testing across different companies. To do that, he tried to go to AFI — but AFI doesn't offer endotoxin testing. So he started cross-testing with both AFI and Freedom Diagnostics to cover the full panel.
That's the context behind the multi-lab situation. It wasn't COA shopping. It was trying to build a more complete testing program when no single lab covered everything he wanted.@WisGal64 Yup that's exactly what I read on the other forum, and I believe that. I think you are referring to Derek's forum. Hehe
I don't think Shay is in this for short term to just grab customer money and close shop.
They have massively expanded their custom made product catalog. One wouldn't do that for quick grab money and go kind of business runs where they manipulate COAs for convenience.
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It looks like they've recently started moving to Kovera Labs for testing all their panels. I've ordered several times from them and my wife and I both use them. So far we've had nothing but good experiences.
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Jumping in again -- I like Ion and their product portfolio. Usually everything I want can be found under one roof saving separate shipping costs. I also don't think Shay (the owner) is doing any cheating with COAs.
HOWEVER, I recently had a long back and forth with their customer support trying to just confirm the batch ID they were shipping for a product
The customer support went great lengths in trying to push me back on my simple question of current batch ID confirmation, saying they ship whichever is the "recent batch" which is ridiculous because as late as 2 months back their testing coverage was very different, which is technically "recent". Recent is also such a vague and subjective term.
I think now I fully understand why people got irked with their COA management especially if the customer support kept avoiding batch ID confirmation by just the rhetoric of "recent batch"
I got pretty pissed myself! I hope Shay gets the importance of transparency about current shipping batches, otherwise despite great product portfolio they might lose customers who care about testing and COAs than just prices.
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I was reading about Kovera Labs on Meso-rx. They are in a shared workspace that doesn’t seem to be legitimate
@Commander oh wow! That's interesting and scary!
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Jumping in again -- I like Ion and their product portfolio. Usually everything I want can be found under one roof saving separate shipping costs. I also don't think Shay (the owner) is doing any cheating with COAs.
HOWEVER, I recently had a long back and forth with their customer support trying to just confirm the batch ID they were shipping for a product
The customer support went great lengths in trying to push me back on my simple question of current batch ID confirmation, saying they ship whichever is the "recent batch" which is ridiculous because as late as 2 months back their testing coverage was very different, which is technically "recent". Recent is also such a vague and subjective term.
I think now I fully understand why people got irked with their COA management especially if the customer support kept avoiding batch ID confirmation by just the rhetoric of "recent batch"
I got pretty pissed myself! I hope Shay gets the importance of transparency about current shipping batches, otherwise despite great product portfolio they might lose customers who care about testing and COAs than just prices.
@pep_researcher Interesting that I just had a similar conversation with biolongevity labs which positions itself as a high-end supplier. They don't even have a batch id on their vials even though they have multiple COAs with ids per product on their site. They rejected to provide me the id even when I asked them directly.
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All those places get their stuff from grey market suppliers on Telegram. If you see a vendor who posts a COA without their label on the vial, it is because they we too cheap to do their own testing. EVEN IF their “company name” appears on the COA, it was because when you send in a vial for testing the test company will provide Multiple COA’s of the same vial with different names on it, usually for $30 more a COA.
I was involved in a group test for some products we bought from LN Peptides, a bunch of resellers came into the group and want us to offer the additional COA’s with their name on it. The person in charge of the group (at my urging) said, nope, one batch, one COA with one name on it…
Bottom line, if their label WITH batch number is not on the vial in the picture on the COA, don’t buy from them. Go get it from the place they are getting it for 25% of the price… -
All those places get their stuff from grey market suppliers on Telegram. If you see a vendor who posts a COA without their label on the vial, it is because they we too cheap to do their own testing. EVEN IF their “company name” appears on the COA, it was because when you send in a vial for testing the test company will provide Multiple COA’s of the same vial with different names on it, usually for $30 more a COA.
I was involved in a group test for some products we bought from LN Peptides, a bunch of resellers came into the group and want us to offer the additional COA’s with their name on it. The person in charge of the group (at my urging) said, nope, one batch, one COA with one name on it…
Bottom line, if their label WITH batch number is not on the vial in the picture on the COA, don’t buy from them. Go get it from the place they are getting it for 25% of the price…@Commander biolongevity labs seems to be a major company with people like Jay Campbell behind and multiple lines of products, but they don't have batch #s on their vials to match to a particular COA they publish. It was disappointing. Also they claim to manufacture everything in USA.
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@pep_researcher Interesting that I just had a similar conversation with biolongevity labs which positions itself as a high-end supplier. They don't even have a batch id on their vials even though they have multiple COAs with ids per product on their site. They rejected to provide me the id even when I asked them directly.
@vpeptides Ion puts batch IDs on their vials and they do link to COAs. But their customer support folks are a bunch of morons. Or they just chase sales so much that they don't keep track of which batches their warehouse or 3PL center is shipping.
My main issue is they changed their testing coverage and labs so rapidly that I need a confirmation on what batch I'm getting and can't just take rhetoric "Oh they are all tested and good"!
I would hate to stop using Ion, but if they continue with this nonsense, I will look for other vendors.
Shay needs to clean this up to maintain credibility.
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@Commander biolongevity labs seems to be a major company with people like Jay Campbell behind and multiple lines of products, but they don't have batch #s on their vials to match to a particular COA they publish. It was disappointing. Also they claim to manufacture everything in USA.
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@Commander biolongevity labs seems to be a major company with people like Jay Campbell behind and multiple lines of products, but they don't have batch #s on their vials to match to a particular COA they publish. It was disappointing. Also they claim to manufacture everything in USA.
@vpeptides said:
@Commander biolongevity labs seems to be a major company with people like Jay Campbell behind and multiple lines of products, but they don't have batch #s on their vials to match to a particular COA they publish. It was disappointing. Also they claim to manufacture everything in USA.
So it is really a simple question and a simple answer….
Why are there not batch numbers on the vials to match the COA’s… It is really a simple answer….
But what I find with message boards and Forums is that people want to believe certain things, so they defend them with stuff like you are saying. So think logically, who cars if Jay Csmpbell, Heather Locklear or Denise Richards is backing them (well if Heather Locklear or Denise Richards is backing them, I might have to buy some). They have a financial interest is say they are great.
It comes down to this. It is too easy to put the labels on them with batch numbers on them and send them for testing. If this was an “oversight” or they just didn’t think to do this, would you really trust that company. Maybe the tech operating the machine had a similar oversight and forgot to wash his hands after taking a shit and then went to handle the peptides you are buying from them.
I love excuses… everyone has 2 or 3. I guess it is the world we live in today.
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