MOTS-C: Dosing & Blood Pressure Meds
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@Eleanor The product will be fine, just don't let it sit on your porch or in your mailbox unattended. I make sure I'm home the minute it arrives and off it goes to a room temp dark place.
@Eleanor The product will be fine, just don't let it sit on your porch or in your mailbox unattended. I make sure I'm home the minute it arrives and off it goes to a room temp dark place.
I can't be home, I'm at work and don't get home until 6pm.
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@Eleanor Not sure about your area, but with UPS and FedEx both there is an option to have packages delivered to the local UPS/FedEx store. I have used it several times because I wasn't going to be at home when a package was delivered and is pretty convenient to stop by the store on the way home from work and pick it up.
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@Eleanor Not sure about your area, but with UPS and FedEx both there is an option to have packages delivered to the local UPS/FedEx store. I have used it several times because I wasn't going to be at home when a package was delivered and is pretty convenient to stop by the store on the way home from work and pick it up.
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@gym.rat Understand and agree! I appreciate your help, I really do. I'm so tired; this is the first real time I've had off in 2 years. so...gotta do something. I plan to do SS31 & MOTSC separately.
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@Stevepep Because of the trails...they were going after very severe mitochondrial malfunction, specifically Barth syndrome.
For the rest of us, we're just older now, slowing down and have issues from stress, alcohol, drug use, sugar intake or whatever other vice is out there. I call it normal age decline. If you want to waste your money and do higher doses be my guest. The safety profile is really good if you want to do that. I'd say SS-31 and probably KPV have some of the best safety profiles out there.
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@Stevepep Because of the trails...they were going after very severe mitochondrial malfunction, specifically Barth syndrome.
For the rest of us, we're just older now, slowing down and have issues from stress, alcohol, drug use, sugar intake or whatever other vice is out there. I call it normal age decline. If you want to waste your money and do higher doses be my guest. The safety profile is really good if you want to do that. I'd say SS-31 and probably KPV have some of the best safety profiles out there.
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@Eleanor I would overlap them to be honest. Very synergetic. Also consider adding buffered NAD+ for the trifecta as they all work together. See my SS-31 page for a full write-up. All the fine details are there.
@Eleanor I would overlap them to be honest. Very synergetic. Also consider adding buffered NAD+ for the trifecta as they all work together. See my SS-31 page for a full write-up. All the fine details are there.
Didn't know you had an "SS-31 page" but if I don't find it, I think you've given me plenty of into to get started well and I truly appreciate it.
I'm a bit afraid to take MOTS=C along with SS-31 because I have no reference for which is doing what should there be complications; expected more from MOTS-C. I might start MOTS-C just before finishing up SS-31 but that's as close as I get. I will, however, be on NAD+ throughout all protocols. Can't leave home without it. Stopping the Epithalon, as it produces too much sleep for my needs and keeping the Pinealon.
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@Eleanor I would overlap them to be honest. Very synergetic. Also consider adding buffered NAD+ for the trifecta as they all work together. See my SS-31 page for a full write-up. All the fine details are there.
Didn't know you had an "SS-31 page" but if I don't find it, I think you've given me plenty of into to get started well and I truly appreciate it.
I'm a bit afraid to take MOTS=C along with SS-31 because I have no reference for which is doing what should there be complications; expected more from MOTS-C. I might start MOTS-C just before finishing up SS-31 but that's as close as I get. I will, however, be on NAD+ throughout all protocols. Can't leave home without it. Stopping the Epithalon, as it produces too much sleep for my needs and keeping the Pinealon.
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@Eleanor you started with 0.5mg of Epitalon, didn't you? You may also try 0.1mg before you stop it, to see if it has a milder effect on you.
@Eleanor you started with 0.5mg of Epitalon, didn't you? You may also try 0.1mg before you stop it, to see if it has a milder effect on you.
Yes, 0.5. While I appreciate what you're saying, I don't have sleep problems and just don't want it.
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@Eleanor I would overlap them to be honest. Very synergetic. Also consider adding buffered NAD+ for the trifecta as they all work together. See my SS-31 page for a full write-up. All the fine details are there.
Didn't know you had an "SS-31 page" but if I don't find it, I think you've given me plenty of into to get started well and I truly appreciate it.
I'm a bit afraid to take MOTS=C along with SS-31 because I have no reference for which is doing what should there be complications; expected more from MOTS-C. I might start MOTS-C just before finishing up SS-31 but that's as close as I get. I will, however, be on NAD+ throughout all protocols. Can't leave home without it. Stopping the Epithalon, as it produces too much sleep for my needs and keeping the Pinealon.
@Eleanor You're not alone in being afraid to take MOTS-c and in fact that caution is a good thing. I have a 50 year old female friend that was roughly 3 weeks and going strong and then suddenly texted me saying she had a reaction. When I asked for details she told me she broke out in hives. This was her additional response after I presented a possible solution (she's a nurse btw):
I have no desire for $4000 ER visit again. I’ve already had an anaphylactic reaction before to something the first time wasn’t that bad in the second time I went to the ER so I’m out MOTS, but thanks.
Everyone is different and the ones who have a reaction are going to be the loudest. That said it's one of the most popular peptides out there and people love it. I'm about to start my cycle of it in roughly 3 weeks come Monday and my plan is to have Benadryl on hand and take Zyrtec or Claritin 30 to 60 minutes prior to injection to blunt the mast cell response, also going to recon with BAC saline to reduce ISRs.
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Guys I'm 55yo. I'm on MOTsC, NAD, SS31, 5amino 1mq, *Slu-ss-332, Reta, Semax, Selank, BPC157+TB500 (wolverine), Epithalon and LL-37. Im also doing anavar. Going into my 5mo. MOTsC, NAD and SS31 are so significant. Just google this "Will a human body survive without mitochondria?".
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@gym.rat so what’s a good dose even on peptide protocol it calls for 5mg a day if memory serve me. It said I need like 15 vials for a cycle. That seems so high
@Stevepep It does not mention anything about 5mg. Specifically:
Repair Protocol
Dose
1–2 mg per day
Frequency
Once daily
Timing
No fasting required
No specific timing constraints
Admin
Subcutaneous injection
Duration
4–8 weeksIf you've had a hard life and think your mitochondria are really screwed up, then you can extend the cycle safely to 12 weeks no problem. You can also titrate up to 4mg. Always remember the goal is the least amount of peptide to do the job.
If you are following the protocol on the Protocols site, get MOTS-c in there around week 2 or 3 and if you notice the effects of MOTS-c and NAD+, then you're on the right track. No need to step above 2mg or extend beyond 8 weeks.
I had a friend doing MOTS-c alone and he reported feeling nothing. He had the wrong protocol. Put him on SS-31 and then reintroduced MOTS-c 3 weeks later and it was eye opening for him. Again I want to stress that the SS-31 stack with MOTS-c and NAD is a really good synergy and you want all 3. Some people hate NAD b/c of the sting and I don't blame them, so make sure you are getting BUFFERED NAD+ as it really makes a difference. I think the product is even a tad stronger, plus it lasts longer as unbuffered NAD has a reported 14 day span where it starts to degrade. My own personal research 100% backs this up.
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@Stevepep It does not mention anything about 5mg. Specifically:
Repair Protocol
Dose
1–2 mg per day
Frequency
Once daily
Timing
No fasting required
No specific timing constraints
Admin
Subcutaneous injection
Duration
4–8 weeksIf you've had a hard life and think your mitochondria are really screwed up, then you can extend the cycle safely to 12 weeks no problem. You can also titrate up to 4mg. Always remember the goal is the least amount of peptide to do the job.
If you are following the protocol on the Protocols site, get MOTS-c in there around week 2 or 3 and if you notice the effects of MOTS-c and NAD+, then you're on the right track. No need to step above 2mg or extend beyond 8 weeks.
I had a friend doing MOTS-c alone and he reported feeling nothing. He had the wrong protocol. Put him on SS-31 and then reintroduced MOTS-c 3 weeks later and it was eye opening for him. Again I want to stress that the SS-31 stack with MOTS-c and NAD is a really good synergy and you want all 3. Some people hate NAD b/c of the sting and I don't blame them, so make sure you are getting BUFFERED NAD+ as it really makes a difference. I think the product is even a tad stronger, plus it lasts longer as unbuffered NAD has a reported 14 day span where it starts to degrade. My own personal research 100% backs this up.
I had a friend doing MOTS-c alone and he reported feeling nothing. He had the wrong protocol. Put him on SS-31 and then reintroduced MOTS-c 3 weeks later and it was eye opening for him.
Yep. Wish I could get some BAC chloride/alcohol to me now but weather is just too hot and peptidetest does USPS. No way I'm paying for that!
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Guys I'm 55yo. I'm on MOTsC, NAD, SS31, 5amino 1mq, *Slu-ss-332, Reta, Semax, Selank, BPC157+TB500 (wolverine), Epithalon and LL-37. Im also doing anavar. Going into my 5mo. MOTsC, NAD and SS31 are so significant. Just google this "Will a human body survive without mitochondria?".
@martinmarin Thats a ton of gear my friend.
The SLU-PP-332 is garbage. There is a reason version 915 is coming out now.
But to your point and all the data I've collected backs this up so well is that SS-31 + MOTS-C + NAD+ is pretty awesome, just have to tolerate a little injection sting with them.
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Guys dont beat yourself on the head over dosage. Just do what I do. Motsc 1mg, NAD 100mg, SS31 1mg. I have energy enough to last me almost all day. All of them first thing in the morning. Then you can titrate/ tune-up from there. It is more cost effective.I wouldn't mess with high dosages not unless you are doing blood work. Be patient. Remember you are the rat. Most protocols are from some else or gathered from a group that are researching as well. So "pinch, pin and pray". lol
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Guys dont beat yourself on the head over dosage. Just do what I do. Motsc 1mg, NAD 100mg, SS31 1mg. I have energy enough to last me almost all day. All of them first thing in the morning. Then you can titrate/ tune-up from there. It is more cost effective.I wouldn't mess with high dosages not unless you are doing blood work. Be patient. Remember you are the rat. Most protocols are from some else or gathered from a group that are researching as well. So "pinch, pin and pray". lol
Guys dont beat yourself on the head over dosage. Just do what I do. Motsc 1mg, NAD 100mg, SS31 1mg. I have energy enough to last me almost all day. All of them first thing in the morning. Then you can titrate/ tune-up from there. It is more cost effective.I wouldn't mess with high dosages not unless you are doing blood work. Be patient. Remember you are the rat. Most protocols are from some else or gathered from a group that are researching as well. So "pinch, pin and pray". lol
No thanks...
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@Stevepep It does not mention anything about 5mg. Specifically:
Repair Protocol
Dose
1–2 mg per day
Frequency
Once daily
Timing
No fasting required
No specific timing constraints
Admin
Subcutaneous injection
Duration
4–8 weeksIf you've had a hard life and think your mitochondria are really screwed up, then you can extend the cycle safely to 12 weeks no problem. You can also titrate up to 4mg. Always remember the goal is the least amount of peptide to do the job.
If you are following the protocol on the Protocols site, get MOTS-c in there around week 2 or 3 and if you notice the effects of MOTS-c and NAD+, then you're on the right track. No need to step above 2mg or extend beyond 8 weeks.
I had a friend doing MOTS-c alone and he reported feeling nothing. He had the wrong protocol. Put him on SS-31 and then reintroduced MOTS-c 3 weeks later and it was eye opening for him. Again I want to stress that the SS-31 stack with MOTS-c and NAD is a really good synergy and you want all 3. Some people hate NAD b/c of the sting and I don't blame them, so make sure you are getting BUFFERED NAD+ as it really makes a difference. I think the product is even a tad stronger, plus it lasts longer as unbuffered NAD has a reported 14 day span where it starts to degrade. My own personal research 100% backs this up.
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@gym.rat I misspoke sorry 1-2 seemed like a lot since most places sell it in 10 MG vials, that’s a lot of vials. 30 days, 60MG that’s 6 vials a month, seemed high to me. I need to order 12 to do 8 weeks or 9 for 6.
@Stevepep if you are pinning 1mg a day 5x a week that gets you two weeks. So it's two vials for a month cycle. Seems reasonable to me if you are going to do the lower range. Obviously if you are using 2mg then that means double the vials. I bought the Pep Supply Co one which comes in a 50mg option, so yeah I had the same mindset as you in terms of going larger. https://www.peptidesupplyco.com/product/ss-31?ref=PROTOCOL10
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@martinmarin Thats a ton of gear my friend.
The SLU-PP-332 is garbage. There is a reason version 915 is coming out now.
But to your point and all the data I've collected backs this up so well is that SS-31 + MOTS-C + NAD+ is pretty awesome, just have to tolerate a little injection sting with them.
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