Price swings vs quality
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I’m not super new to this and I have tried multiple companies, but have always been a little skeptical. Started with Strate Labs (rip), then tried Elite Biogenix, NetGenPeptides, and most recently, EZ Peptides.
Strate labs Reta I REALLY felt, EZ peptides almost felt a little “watered down” if that makes sense.
I’ve never sent anything for testing so I don’t have much solid evidence, but has anyone felt like some companies don’t give you as much of the product?
EZ has great pricing but I’d rather spend a little more for someone like Mile High… but would hate to be spending more for no reason. What’s up with the price swings?
Apologies if this is Ranty, doesn’t make sense, or is confusing.
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Yes, with Tirz, some vials I purchased that didn't "feel" as effective. I found this not only in the RUO world but also with brand and compound from telehealth companies. Same dose different company, different outcomes. A good example is what someone on this forum found, they sent in a vial from their kit for testing. Their test results came back significantly less than what the Vendor's CoA had, can't remember the exact numbers, but overall, it would have an impact on their research if they chose to use the Vendor's numbers instead of what their vial tested at.
BTW your post didn't sound ranty at all
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Yes, with Tirz, some vials I purchased that didn't "feel" as effective. I found this not only in the RUO world but also with brand and compound from telehealth companies. Same dose different company, different outcomes. A good example is what someone on this forum found, they sent in a vial from their kit for testing. Their test results came back significantly less than what the Vendor's CoA had, can't remember the exact numbers, but overall, it would have an impact on their research if they chose to use the Vendor's numbers instead of what their vial tested at.
BTW your post didn't sound ranty at all
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@WisGal64 thank you!!! I still don’t know how people justify spending more for the same peptide if they’re all good, vetted vendors. I guess that’s my main question.
@abemedina There is a lot more to it. It's not all the same thing. Some get raw materials and complete the process in the US. Some source from CGMP facilities; some don't. The best way to distinguish, as we sit here today, IMO, is based on the lab they use for testing. If you see Vanguard, Janoshik, or AFI those are time tested, trusted labs, and they are paying top dollar for testing. Its not a complete fail safe but gets you much closer to quality products. This is subject to change as some of these lab issues get sorted out. Searching for the lowest price may work out, and it also may not. Its a matter of preference and risk tolerance. I use two vendors primarily now. They both have established records, complete the process in the US (without getting technical), and use Janoshik for full panel testing. That checks my boxes.
For example, Studz, has great pricing; the owner seems great as well, but they use a lab that is brand new and there are some telltale signs on the lab reports themselves that tell me to stay away until they get testing that I feel is reliable. The price may go up though, as the lab they use is 1/3 the price of the 3 I named above.
For the vendors you mentioned above. Mile High is a very good trusted vendor. I don't buy from them anymore because they use Kovera on some products, ILS and Freedom on others and I am risk averse. I am sitting on vials of Kesspepin from them because the testing was done at Kovera. EZ on the other hand is essentially Nexaph, who one could argue is the most reliable vendor and they test with Janoshik and send multiple vials for testing and then, on top of that, pay for third party testing. They check WAY more boxes when it comes to getting what you paid for in the vial then just about every other vendor. There are other very good ones as well just have to spend time researching them.
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@abemedina There is a lot more to it. It's not all the same thing. Some get raw materials and complete the process in the US. Some source from CGMP facilities; some don't. The best way to distinguish, as we sit here today, IMO, is based on the lab they use for testing. If you see Vanguard, Janoshik, or AFI those are time tested, trusted labs, and they are paying top dollar for testing. Its not a complete fail safe but gets you much closer to quality products. This is subject to change as some of these lab issues get sorted out. Searching for the lowest price may work out, and it also may not. Its a matter of preference and risk tolerance. I use two vendors primarily now. They both have established records, complete the process in the US (without getting technical), and use Janoshik for full panel testing. That checks my boxes.
For example, Studz, has great pricing; the owner seems great as well, but they use a lab that is brand new and there are some telltale signs on the lab reports themselves that tell me to stay away until they get testing that I feel is reliable. The price may go up though, as the lab they use is 1/3 the price of the 3 I named above.
For the vendors you mentioned above. Mile High is a very good trusted vendor. I don't buy from them anymore because they use Kovera on some products, ILS and Freedom on others and I am risk averse. I am sitting on vials of Kesspepin from them because the testing was done at Kovera. EZ on the other hand is essentially Nexaph, who one could argue is the most reliable vendor and they test with Janoshik and send multiple vials for testing and then, on top of that, pay for third party testing. They check WAY more boxes when it comes to getting what you paid for in the vial then just about every other vendor. There are other very good ones as well just have to spend time researching them.
@Stevepep Okay, that actually clears it up for me a bit more. Even though these are all vetted and trusted vendors, there are still things to consider when doing business with all of them, depending on how much risk you’re okay with taking on?
From what you said, sounds like EZ is very very good, trusted and checks a lot of peoples boxes.
I’ll still do my own research, and in your opinion, what other companies would you say are similar to EZ when it comes to value, quality and price? Ballpark.
Anyone that completely blows everyone else out of the water when it comes to quality? Price aside, just quality.
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@WisGal64 thank you!!! I still don’t know how people justify spending more for the same peptide if they’re all good, vetted vendors. I guess that’s my main question.
@WisGal64 thank you!!! I still don’t know how people justify spending more for the same peptide if they’re all good, vetted vendors. I guess that’s my main question.
I think some stick with a vendor they've been using where they've gained confidence and trust along with the testing, and good results, they are willing to pay that premium. I do look at the testing, but don't discriminate across labs for the most part unless something nefarious has shown up of course. If a vendor has jacked their prices for no good reason, I drop them like a hot potato. Unfortunately, I had to do this with one I liked, is well liked on this forum and others, vetted, provides good customer service etc. but the price increase(almost 50%) was a big turnoff, so I moved on.
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Thought I'd jump in! As stated, Nexaph or EZ. Hands down. Imo, on the "grayer" side of things Uther. The amount of testing they do is insighful. Not the cheapest, but excellent consistency. Average fill is +113% over label. Average purity has been 99.62% (mean deviation being 100% -.38) from analyzing just 245 of their published janoshik test data for glp's. There was a lot more, but that's what was in front of me.
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Thought I'd jump in! As stated, Nexaph or EZ. Hands down. Imo, on the "grayer" side of things Uther. The amount of testing they do is insighful. Not the cheapest, but excellent consistency. Average fill is +113% over label. Average purity has been 99.62% (mean deviation being 100% -.38) from analyzing just 245 of their published janoshik test data for glp's. There was a lot more, but that's what was in front of me.
@Newenough heard so many good things about Uther have you tried them
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@stevepep a few times. The problem is doing it solo. Being a finisher/vialer they only want to deal with larger orders, and won't take any orders below $800 through their WhatsApp channel, which all things considered is still kinda small. So, the riff-raff like me have to use the back door, and email it in.
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@abemedina There is a lot more to it. It's not all the same thing. Some get raw materials and complete the process in the US. Some source from CGMP facilities; some don't. The best way to distinguish, as we sit here today, IMO, is based on the lab they use for testing. If you see Vanguard, Janoshik, or AFI those are time tested, trusted labs, and they are paying top dollar for testing. Its not a complete fail safe but gets you much closer to quality products. This is subject to change as some of these lab issues get sorted out. Searching for the lowest price may work out, and it also may not. Its a matter of preference and risk tolerance. I use two vendors primarily now. They both have established records, complete the process in the US (without getting technical), and use Janoshik for full panel testing. That checks my boxes.
For example, Studz, has great pricing; the owner seems great as well, but they use a lab that is brand new and there are some telltale signs on the lab reports themselves that tell me to stay away until they get testing that I feel is reliable. The price may go up though, as the lab they use is 1/3 the price of the 3 I named above.
For the vendors you mentioned above. Mile High is a very good trusted vendor. I don't buy from them anymore because they use Kovera on some products, ILS and Freedom on others and I am risk averse. I am sitting on vials of Kesspepin from them because the testing was done at Kovera. EZ on the other hand is essentially Nexaph, who one could argue is the most reliable vendor and they test with Janoshik and send multiple vials for testing and then, on top of that, pay for third party testing. They check WAY more boxes when it comes to getting what you paid for in the vial then just about every other vendor. There are other very good ones as well just have to spend time researching them.
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Yes, with Tirz, some vials I purchased that didn't "feel" as effective. I found this not only in the RUO world but also with brand and compound from telehealth companies. Same dose different company, different outcomes. A good example is what someone on this forum found, they sent in a vial from their kit for testing. Their test results came back significantly less than what the Vendor's CoA had, can't remember the exact numbers, but overall, it would have an impact on their research if they chose to use the Vendor's numbers instead of what their vial tested at.
BTW your post didn't sound ranty at all
@WisGal64 - never trust a vendor COA.
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Yes, with Tirz, some vials I purchased that didn't "feel" as effective. I found this not only in the RUO world but also with brand and compound from telehealth companies. Same dose different company, different outcomes. A good example is what someone on this forum found, they sent in a vial from their kit for testing. Their test results came back significantly less than what the Vendor's CoA had, can't remember the exact numbers, but overall, it would have an impact on their research if they chose to use the Vendor's numbers instead of what their vial tested at.
BTW your post didn't sound ranty at all
@WisGal64 hey I have decent supply of actual tirz I get prescribed of their is interest just saying
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@blueeyedme yes, while that is true, there has to be some level of trust with th vendor or it would be pointless to purchase imo
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I’m not super new to this and I have tried multiple companies, but have always been a little skeptical. Started with Strate Labs (rip), then tried Elite Biogenix, NetGenPeptides, and most recently, EZ Peptides.
Strate labs Reta I REALLY felt, EZ peptides almost felt a little “watered down” if that makes sense.
I’ve never sent anything for testing so I don’t have much solid evidence, but has anyone felt like some companies don’t give you as much of the product?
EZ has great pricing but I’d rather spend a little more for someone like Mile High… but would hate to be spending more for no reason. What’s up with the price swings?
Apologies if this is Ranty, doesn’t make sense, or is confusing.
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@WisGal64 thank you!!! I still don’t know how people justify spending more for the same peptide if they’re all good, vetted vendors. I guess that’s my main question.
@abemedina The price you see isn't just the price of raw peptide. A lot goes in maintaining a website, customer support, consistent testing, payment methods etc. Often higher prices reflect more mature and professional ops. Some prefer that to avoid post ordering headaches.
Some focus on small number of products with cheaper, bulk pricing. Some have huge product portfolio, lyophilized, capsules, sprays, creams etc.
I had poor experience once when I went against my judgement of the vendor ops maturity because the product I was looking for was only available with them.
ALL this comes into final vial prices.
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So after reading everyone’s posts, it kinda sounds like EZ is a clear, top contender when it comes to both price AND quality. Am I wrong? Who else would be up there with them?
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I’m not super new to this and I have tried multiple companies, but have always been a little skeptical. Started with Strate Labs (rip), then tried Elite Biogenix, NetGenPeptides, and most recently, EZ Peptides.
Strate labs Reta I REALLY felt, EZ peptides almost felt a little “watered down” if that makes sense.
I’ve never sent anything for testing so I don’t have much solid evidence, but has anyone felt like some companies don’t give you as much of the product?
EZ has great pricing but I’d rather spend a little more for someone like Mile High… but would hate to be spending more for no reason. What’s up with the price swings?
Apologies if this is Ranty, doesn’t make sense, or is confusing.
@abemedina after trying a few vendors over the last year. Ive settled on 2, nexaph and crush. Both offer great pricing/testing and offer kits. Communication and transparency in my experience have been great with both companies. As some have mentioned EZ is good for single vials as you're testing things out. Id say look at crush for single vials as well since you can build 3 or 5 vial kits with a discount added.
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