CRUSH has "Important dilution note" PLEASE READ!
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@Stevepep This guy sells cheap, that's why you choose him (ok, maybe not you personally but many). Now you complain you don't get a royal first class service, 90-day return no questions asked, a nice girl on 24-hour service line? There is a cost for everything, it's an open market. You prefer all the bells and whistles, then don't choose a discount provider. No need for drama. Does anybody have issues with the quality of his products? I understand his needs to defend the business from idiots on the other end of the line and keep the cost low.
By the way, it's not the only disclaimer he has on his site, he also mentions it is not for human consumption, doesn't it bother you the same way? Do you see the point?
@vpeptides wow I order from Nexaph for less and they actually have inventory all the time. I liked Crush and have ordered from them. But their prices on drops, sales, presales, new this and that, build your own nonsense, are not sales when you do the math. And it’s not ILS doing the testing who has had issues. They prey on a marketing strategy that when you do the math makes no sense. I always keep an open mind I am done with Crush after 2 grand I am watching studz now. This guy sounds like no BS and he wants to build a business and listens to his client base. Let’s wait for the vanguard testing first
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If you think the message hasn't gotten around, think again.
Question: How does a researcher PROVE they used Pfizer?Careful Folks. I'm not dealing with this, move to the next vendor.
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@Eleanor I suppose you could make a video of the reconstitution the first times you are using the product showing the peptides got Pfizer'd.
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I had one vial of Wolverine that I purchased in a kit from Nexaph reconstitute cloudy. I did 3 vials and only one was cloudy. I emailed them the picture and they asked me what I used and I said it was from Lambda. They immediately credited me for the one vial, no additional comments.
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@vpeptides Oh, I understand exactly what you're saying, I disagree with it. The ONLY way to get vendors in line with what you want is to DENY THEM BUSINESS until they DO give you and the community what's wanted. It's called a BOYCOTT. Simple! No rant here. Plenty of other fish in the sea. You want to lay down for them, it's up to you but it's a stupid thing to do.
With the statement on their site (important to note), they can always come up with a reason not to cooperate with you and when other vendors see it works, they'll do it too. Count on it.
BOYCOTT: It works every time.
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I had one vial of Wolverine that I purchased in a kit from Nexaph reconstitute cloudy. I did 3 vials and only one was cloudy. I emailed them the picture and they asked me what I used and I said it was from Lambda. They immediately credited me for the one vial, no additional comments.
@jackiee Cain is amazing. He gets it we need more like him. Crush is fine the product I have no issues with never had an issue there but it’s everything else the whole marketing BS, inventory completely blows and the prices aren’t even that good just not worth the effort imo
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@bfuller imagine having to video tape every time you reconstitute a peptide that would be a large pct of my life lol
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Just to give a fair perspective of a different vendor. I ordered 6 vials of cjc/ipa from ngpeptides/NextGen. All reconstituted either cloudy or sludge of whatever. They had the same policy. They asked for pictures of the vials effected and pictures of the Hospira I used and didn't hesitate to issue the refund immediately. I did not purchase any bac from them. A simple picture was proof enough for them.
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@Eleanor I complained about TA-1 that didn't dissolve to Ion. They asked immediately what solvent I used. I said Hospira. They just believed me. I wonder if I said "Uncle Wang Toilet Water" would they give me a credit?
@vpeptides dont sleep on the Wang
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I repeat the question: HOW DOES A RESEARCHER PROVE THEY USED PFIZER?
So now, Crush, Flawless & Glow Ams (Lawless sister) is now off my list. -
@Randy No Sir, not yet. As you know, I've had one smashed (not by same vendor), but that was replaced, thankfully to the vendors fair business practice; still not padded worth crap but got lucky it arrived whole. It was an event that was pretty much undeniable.
I am putting forth a scenario for people to think about. IMO, placing the statement on their site COULD give them a path to deny most any challenges by their customers that might occur. Realizing vendors also have challenges with customers, there are ways around that; which @mj227 unfortunately experienced personally via Zelle.
In short, I don't like it, to me it's a signal of trouble ahead, more for the customer than the vendor and I'm BOYCOTTING those vendors who place such a statement on their site.
Again, the question is, how do you prove to the vendor that you used Pfizer to reconstitute? Effectively, the customer cannot prove it, UNLESS, the customer buys it from that same vendor. No thanks! I've got plenty already in storage. I'm not getting locked into that BS.
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Just to give a fair perspective of a different vendor. I ordered 6 vials of cjc/ipa from ngpeptides/NextGen. All reconstituted either cloudy or sludge of whatever. They had the same policy. They asked for pictures of the vials effected and pictures of the Hospira I used and didn't hesitate to issue the refund immediately. I did not purchase any bac from them. A simple picture was proof enough for them.
They had the same policy.
I'm happy to hear you were well treated, but that might not be the case with some vendors in the future.
I think everyone has a right to buy or not buy from whomever they want, including me.
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@JtCjEfF ummm you just contact the cc company and make a claim because you didn’t get what you paid for. Crush is not a grey market supplier or the prices would be far less. The real issue is now I have to prove to them I used hospital if I don’t pay 30pct more to purchase it from them. You do get where this is going it’s really not that hard. This guy is all all about marketing. Drops, sales, presales, inventory running out, buy my bac from me. I am out there are too many good vendors than to mess with this
@Stevepep No argument there. However, I have tried twice in the last two years to reverse charges against a vendor, not related to peptides, just normal retail stuff… and in both cases my CC support would not help me since I had previous dealings with them. Seems my CC is only interested in helping if it is the first dealing with a vendor. I was not happy.
BUT… fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product, and I think thats what @eleanor is upset about. Rightfully so.
Apart from that and getting back to her OP, Crush really should be taking care of it without issue. I thought they were better at CS than this. Combine that with their really distrusting biz model and I can see a lot of us moving away. For all the reasons mentioned here.
Lastly, I thought about the video idea too, but a crooked vendor could easily push back and argue that there is no proof of what is in the Hospira vial. Could be Unk Wangs toilet water re-injected into that bottle.
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I'm waiting for Nexaph to add full panel, with Janoshik COAs as they do. These random labs popping up everywhere in the US also seem problematic with trustworthiness.
I've known about Nexaph before even I knew any other vendors, from my glp1forum reads, but I didn't know about the TG channels to check additional testing and I've been particular about endotoxin testing.
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@Stevepep No argument there. However, I have tried twice in the last two years to reverse charges against a vendor, not related to peptides, just normal retail stuff… and in both cases my CC support would not help me since I had previous dealings with them. Seems my CC is only interested in helping if it is the first dealing with a vendor. I was not happy.
BUT… fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product, and I think thats what @eleanor is upset about. Rightfully so.
Apart from that and getting back to her OP, Crush really should be taking care of it without issue. I thought they were better at CS than this. Combine that with their really distrusting biz model and I can see a lot of us moving away. For all the reasons mentioned here.
Lastly, I thought about the video idea too, but a crooked vendor could easily push back and argue that there is no proof of what is in the Hospira vial. Could be Unk Wangs toilet water re-injected into that bottle.
BUT… fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product, and I think thats what @eleanor is upset about. Rightfully so.
Well, almost. Yes to the part about vendor willingness and building a relationship & backing their product.
I'm just trying to let you know I see a trend coming that evidently a lot of people don't see or refuse to see, and it's not exclusive to peptides businesses. I've seen it before in many businesses and interactions.
I was widowed at a younger age, raised 11 kids, none of which I birthed, been around the world for work, met the best of people and the worst of people. In my 70 years, I call it at the first red flag nowadays and not ashamed to do so. How the hell do you think I've stayed alive and done all that, esp. raised that many uninjured and un-jailed kids? It's not a matter of being upset; it's a matter of knowing what I'm seeing the first time it appears and not waiting to see it again. If someone punches you once in the face, are you going to stand there and wait for a 2nd punch, "just to make sure"? God damn, WTF is the matter with you all?!
You'll know by Thanksgiving through New Year season how this is going to proceed because that is their timeline. It won't be pretty if it happens. I would rather it NOT happen at all. BOYCOTT NOW!
There's the timeline. Make of it what you will. Case CLOSED for me on this thread as far as I'm concerned.
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@Stevepep No argument there. However, I have tried twice in the last two years to reverse charges against a vendor, not related to peptides, just normal retail stuff… and in both cases my CC support would not help me since I had previous dealings with them. Seems my CC is only interested in helping if it is the first dealing with a vendor. I was not happy.
BUT… fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product, and I think thats what @eleanor is upset about. Rightfully so.
Apart from that and getting back to her OP, Crush really should be taking care of it without issue. I thought they were better at CS than this. Combine that with their really distrusting biz model and I can see a lot of us moving away. For all the reasons mentioned here.
Lastly, I thought about the video idea too, but a crooked vendor could easily push back and argue that there is no proof of what is in the Hospira vial. Could be Unk Wangs toilet water re-injected into that bottle.
fundamentally I was talking about the relationship with the vendor themselves, and their willingness to back their product
Yet to research my Crush vials and until now none of my peps from other vendors gelled.
But I have had repeat orders with Glacier, Ion, Peptidology, Oneday and I have seen them accommodating my issues mostly with some order glitches, not product itself (didn't have any).
Not saying gelling issue isn't genuine, but there will always be people who would try to exploit vendor goodwill—claim they used genuine Hospira but used toilet water and then want free replacement. So vendors might have started putting that boilerplate notice. I saw the same notice even on a couple of other pep and BAC vendor sites.
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This whole thread was confusing and muddy. A hypothetical scenario was brought up. Which eventually led to calling for a boycott for something that hasn't even taken place. Appreciate the sharing of something found but this train went off the tracks.
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