Buying "local" vs China Direct
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The solution is get a group to order separately no one holds any money. We order the same peptides from the same supplier, when we get them we chip on for testing. It’s tricky because we have to match peptides someone smarter than me can figure it out who is tech savvy but that’s what makes sense to me. @wes33378 and I tried to do this for GBK but it got screwed up when they sent him his early and mine got substituted. Story for another day
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@Mydogdaryl423 it doesn’t make sense if you are buying a kit at a time just order from Nexaph. If you are ordering multiple kits of the same peptide and have some buddies to buy with you split the cost and it is far cheaper. Let’s say you order 10 packs of reta for 5 people you select two vials randomly and it cost 250 to test for id, purity and content from vanguard. You end up spending about $110 a ten pack for Reta 30. But you have to order quantity to get to that math. @commander does and he is an expert in this China thing. He knows his stuff.
@Stevepep said:
@commander does and he is an expert in this China thing. He knows his stuff.Defiantly not an expert. In fact I was the person months back saying Grey doesn’t make sense. Until I realized I was spending about $1000 a month with Nexaph. Then I read the posts by Jeff about Grey, he told me to check it out, and now that is all I buy. I have been trying to stockpile 4 years worth. Unfortunately that is an insane amount of money and takes up a lot of room. NAD+ only comes in 10ml vials (Except Nexaph) and dam they take up a lot of room!!
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With the amount of Peptides I take even Nexaph would be too expensive. I figured it out, just in NAD 500mg alone we use 58 vials a year… forget about KLOW, we use 38 vials a year. From Nexaph the KLOW alone would be $1800 and the NAD 500 would be $1350. Now add in MOTS-C, Reta and Tesa/Ipa… way too much. I have no choice but to buy from China direct… and it still isn’t cheap. But I have not felt this pain free in 20 years
With the amount of Peptides I take even Nexaph would be too expensive. I figured it out, just in NAD 500mg alone we use 58 vials a year… forget about KLOW, we use 38 vials a year. From Nexaph the KLOW alone would be $1800 and the NAD 500 would be $1350. Now add in MOTS-C, Reta and Tesa/Ipa… way too much. I have no choice but to buy from China direct… and it still isn’t cheap. But I have not felt this pain free in 20 years
You just described pretty much my stack. Tesa/Ipa, NAD+, SS-31, MOTS C, KPV, GHK-cu, Wolverine but also pre-bought Reta and KLOW. I would like to learn more about China direct but I need to feel good about the safety concerns I have.
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@Mydogdaryl423
Yes saved a lot of money. I bought Reta 20mg 20 Kits, I think it was $85 a kit after shipping. Testing was $250 for one lab to test it… Nexaph is $468 a kit for Reta 20mg - and you still have to test it.
The 5 labs tests we did were not to test the product, it was to test the labs to see how close they were to each other. Normally you just send it to one good lab to test.
Jeff wanted to test a bunch of different labs, he really can’t send to all of them because they will know it is him. I sent it to a few and he sent it to a few. I am sure he will post an article or something on it...@Mydogdaryl423
Yes saved a lot of money. I bought Reta 20mg 20 Kits, I think it was $85 a kit after shipping. Testing was $250 for one lab to test it… Nexaph is $468 a kit for Reta 20mg - and you still have to test it.
The 5 labs tests we did were not to test the product, it was to test the labs to see how close they were to each other. Normally you just send it to one good lab to test.
Jeff wanted to test a bunch of different labs, he really can’t send to all of them because they will know it is him. I sent it to a few and he sent it to a few. I am sure he will post an article or something on it...So what does the testing do for you? Let's say you do a test and it comes back with low purity. What can you do? Just not use that batch?
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One thing I highly appreciate about peptide critic, is how they drive awareness around safety issues. The article today about Accumark really got me thinking, I have to admit that I gravitate towards websites that clearly mark their COA's, and vials with bar codes, but on the other hand, I'm just joke blow researcher in Seattle Washington sitting in the rain. At the end of the day, I don't really know what to look for, or even what I'm looking at. That is why I try to buy from the vendors from this website, I hope I'm not being lazy but that's all I can do at the moment given my current knowledge base. So here's the reason for my post....
Has anybody successfully bought safely directly from China? I am finding my peptide budget is getting larger and larger and frankly I know for sure some of them will be taken for years and years to come. But even with the peptide critic 10% discount it can add up quickly. Do the vendors in China do COA in the same way they do in the US? Are there rock solid vendors that can be trusted in China?
I am wondering if I am paying a premium for trust when in fact it is an illusion on my part. I don't even really know where to begin to research this so I would appreciate any guidance anybody has.
@montemontemayor Happy you're here!
Just want to be clear on something. Because a vendor is on the website does not mean they're a good vendor.
I second what others have said about nexaph.
I may have ordered successfully from China countless times but I can tell you it's getting harder and harder and the quality is going down.
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@Mydogdaryl423
Yes saved a lot of money. I bought Reta 20mg 20 Kits, I think it was $85 a kit after shipping. Testing was $250 for one lab to test it… Nexaph is $468 a kit for Reta 20mg - and you still have to test it.
The 5 labs tests we did were not to test the product, it was to test the labs to see how close they were to each other. Normally you just send it to one good lab to test.
Jeff wanted to test a bunch of different labs, he really can’t send to all of them because they will know it is him. I sent it to a few and he sent it to a few. I am sure he will post an article or something on it...So what does the testing do for you? Let's say you do a test and it comes back with low purity. What can you do? Just not use that batch?
@montemontemayor
Testing lets me know I have KPV and not MT2, Reta and not Tirz, it letsw me know the SS-31 is 40mg nit 50mg as the vendor stated…
Some Vendors will reship if a Jano test comes back bad. I do not use Jano - WAY too expensive.
I second what Jeff said, it is getting harder and harder to find good Grey Market Vendors. And when yo do, they are only good for a couple months and then they go bad... -
@montemontemayor Happy you're here!
Just want to be clear on something. Because a vendor is on the website does not mean they're a good vendor.
I second what others have said about nexaph.
I may have ordered successfully from China countless times but I can tell you it's getting harder and harder and the quality is going down.
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Looking at echemi makes me really wonder if this entire industry is a inside joke im not in on. That being said.
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Looking at echemi makes me really wonder if this entire industry is a inside joke im not in on. That being said.
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@quicksilver80 is echemi legit? as in, has anyone tried and confirmed ordering through that route? i wonder if is this where the wholesalers get their stuff so cheap
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Have you looked into Ion peptide? I have using them for a while now and they are one of best vendors i have seen so far.
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I’ve had good luck the past 6 months with Yuansense Tech. The boxes come with a MFG and Expiry dates. You can trace back to the Janoshik COA they link to. That’s for a bit of peace of mind, but I still send one of each “lot” to Krause Analytical for confirmation. I don’t do the 3 vials like Nexaph or the 8 vials like Southern Aminos. But one per actual lot, usually no more than 20 or 30 vials (2 or 3 boxes) lets me know ID, Purity, fill mg, and Endo. For 20mg Tirz with 3 boxes it works out to about $16 per vial. Not cheap, but about 3/5 Nexaph and 1/5 of SA.
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I’ve had good luck the past 6 months with Yuansense Tech. The boxes come with a MFG and Expiry dates. You can trace back to the Janoshik COA they link to. That’s for a bit of peace of mind, but I still send one of each “lot” to Krause Analytical for confirmation. I don’t do the 3 vials like Nexaph or the 8 vials like Southern Aminos. But one per actual lot, usually no more than 20 or 30 vials (2 or 3 boxes) lets me know ID, Purity, fill mg, and Endo. For 20mg Tirz with 3 boxes it works out to about $16 per vial. Not cheap, but about 3/5 Nexaph and 1/5 of SA.
@mikebricker Is Krause doing endo from the same vial used for ID, purity, and content? Am I reading that right?
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@mikebricker Is Krause doing endo from the same vial used for ID, purity, and content? Am I reading that right?
@Stevepep Yes. They told me they did not require a separate vial for Endo. Is that not kosher technically? Not knowledgeable in this area, just a Nuclear Engineer.
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@Stevepep Yes. They told me they did not require a separate vial for Endo. Is that not kosher technically? Not knowledgeable in this area, just a Nuclear Engineer.
@mikebricker nuclear engineer, that's cool. The standard is typically to use a separate vial in a clean room to test for endotoxins so you don't get a false positive or negative. You try to keep the samples separate so they don't get contaminated. Endotoxin testing is tricky. I test for the usual plus sterility for this reason. I have never used Krause. I assume you use them through Finnrick. Jansoshik covered this a little bit in a video and I think said they use seperate vials for heavy metals, Sterility and endotoxins. I think one for each
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@eurouser ive never got a solid answer from anyone else. So i have no idea. Atx at 8 a kilo seems attractive though lol
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Have you looked into Ion peptide? I have using them for a while now and they are one of best vendors i have seen so far.
@tylerbrooks its blocking any access to the site on my end, regardless of which VPN location i use or no VPN at all. Not sure if its just on my end.
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I’ve had good luck the past 6 months with Yuansense Tech. The boxes come with a MFG and Expiry dates. You can trace back to the Janoshik COA they link to. That’s for a bit of peace of mind, but I still send one of each “lot” to Krause Analytical for confirmation. I don’t do the 3 vials like Nexaph or the 8 vials like Southern Aminos. But one per actual lot, usually no more than 20 or 30 vials (2 or 3 boxes) lets me know ID, Purity, fill mg, and Endo. For 20mg Tirz with 3 boxes it works out to about $16 per vial. Not cheap, but about 3/5 Nexaph and 1/5 of SA.
@mikebricker are their prices (on the name(.)com site) per vial or per kit of 10 vials? cause i checked 30mg Reta and its 205 dollars, which is very high price compared to buying kits.
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@mikebricker are their prices (on the name(.)com site) per vial or per kit of 10 vials? cause i checked 30mg Reta and its 205 dollars, which is very high price compared to buying kits.
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@mikebricker nuclear engineer, that's cool. The standard is typically to use a separate vial in a clean room to test for endotoxins so you don't get a false positive or negative. You try to keep the samples separate so they don't get contaminated. Endotoxin testing is tricky. I test for the usual plus sterility for this reason. I have never used Krause. I assume you use them through Finnrick. Jansoshik covered this a little bit in a video and I think said they use seperate vials for heavy metals, Sterility and endotoxins. I think one for each
@Stevepep Not through Finnrick. IMHO Finnrick is a joke. I go through Krause directly. Easy to work with, and very good pricing.
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