Hospira 0.9% Bacteriostatic Sodium Chloride (30 mL)
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@Eleanor Would you let me know how the Buffered NAD works with NaCl? I've got some on the way I'll immediately try with MOTS but it'll be a minute before I need to make a new NAD cart.
Sure. More than happy to let you know.
Peptidetest.com see if that works.@Eleanor Yep - Ordered last week after reading this thread. Should be here mid week and I'll be ready to make a new MOTS just at the right time, but it'll be another week before I make SS-31 or NAD. All the discussion about buffered vs unbuffered NAD just got me questioning. I'm happy to sacrifice a NAD vial to check if it'll reduce sting, but would love to hear about it before it's time to try. Many thanks in advance!
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I used to use Hospira Sodium Chloride, mainly because before I got into peptides, I was getting my tirzepatide compounded and noticed that the vial listed sodium chloride as an ingredient. I later read that 0.9% sodium chloride is the same concentration as normal saline and is considered isotonic, meaning it has a similar salt concentration to human body fluids.
I’ve only used it with Triz, though. For my other peptides, I switched to Hospira BAC water, only because I don't know enough about the science.
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I used to use Hospira Sodium Chloride, mainly because before I got into peptides, I was getting my tirzepatide compounded and noticed that the vial listed sodium chloride as an ingredient. I later read that 0.9% sodium chloride is the same concentration as normal saline and is considered isotonic, meaning it has a similar salt concentration to human body fluids.
I’ve only used it with Triz, though. For my other peptides, I switched to Hospira BAC water, only because I don't know enough about the science.
@mexpep Yep, and it being isotonic is the reason I switched to using it to reconstitute my MOTS-c and SS-31, helps with the injection site reaction. Also just used it to reconstitute some Semax to put into a nasal spray. Works like a champ.
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You guys do know NaCl is Saline water (saline solution) right? The label must explicitly state the exact chemical breakdown (e.g., "0.9% Sodium Chloride", which means 900 mg of USP-grade salt per 100 mL of water) and confirm if any preservatives or buffers.
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You guys do know NaCl is Saline water (saline solution) right? The label must explicitly state the exact chemical breakdown (e.g., "0.9% Sodium Chloride", which means 900 mg of USP-grade salt per 100 mL of water) and confirm if any preservatives or buffers.
@EXTROPIAN it’s exactly the same thing as Hospira Bac with NACL added and sold for 1/3 the price by the case which just highlights what a rip off Hospira Bac is
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You guys do know NaCl is Saline water (saline solution) right? The label must explicitly state the exact chemical breakdown (e.g., "0.9% Sodium Chloride", which means 900 mg of USP-grade salt per 100 mL of water) and confirm if any preservatives or buffers.
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2 different products. I was confused too. NaCl and Bacteriostatic NaCL.
So when everyone is referring to NaCl I hoping that they are referring to the bacteriostatic version.
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So I had high hopes for this, but… after 1 week my Tesa/Ipa turned cloudy. And my unbuffered NAD seems to be stinging more and more every day with the BAC SC.. so far it is ok with Mots-c and SS-31. So my hopes of getting less buries is gone…
@Commander Thanks I have only been using it for SS-31 and MOTS-C and it works far better for me. I was able to handle MOTSC at 6mg 3x per week without even a red bump. 3mg used to be itchy and red. Everyone has different tolerance though
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I was hoping it would be good for Tesa and NAD too, but I will Continue to use this For they MOTS-C and SS-31 for awhile.
@Commander BAC water containing sodium chloride (NaCl) shouldn't be used with unbuffered NAD+ only buffered versions. With unbuffered, it'll just make the injection worse.
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@Commander BAC water containing sodium chloride (NaCl) shouldn't be used with unbuffered NAD+ only buffered versions. With unbuffered, it'll just make the injection worse.
@mrjoshua44 curious why is that. It doesn’t affect the PH.
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@Commander BAC water containing sodium chloride (NaCl) shouldn't be used with unbuffered NAD+ only buffered versions. With unbuffered, it'll just make the injection worse.
@Commander BAC water containing sodium chloride (NaCl) shouldn't be used with unbuffered NAD+ only buffered versions. With unbuffered, it'll just make the injection worse.
The first couple of days it wasn’t, but then it got bad
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Yes—if it is Hospira Bacteriostatic 0.9% Sodium Chloride, you can use it to reconstitute unbuffered NAD+. That is the preferred diluent class for NAD+ when a buffered product is not available.
It may reduce the osmotic/local-welt component of the reaction, but it will not neutralize the NAD+ solution’s acidity, which is usually the main reason unbuffered NAD+ burns or stings. A pre-buffered NAD+ product is the better fix for that; otherwise, slower administration, more dilution within the vial’s capacity, and site rotation are the practical levers.
From Peptide Fox AI I will not vouch for this, as I asked for a source and it couldn't point to one other than some drivel
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So I had high hopes for this, but… after 1 week my Tesa/Ipa turned cloudy. And my unbuffered NAD seems to be stinging more and more every day with the BAC SC.. so far it is ok with Mots-c and SS-31. So my hopes of getting less buries is gone…
@Commander did you actually notice a difference with MOTS-C? I still get redness and post sting with it, maybe less though.
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@Commander did you actually notice a difference with MOTS-C? I still get redness and post sting with it, maybe less though.
@Commander did you actually notice a difference with MOTS-C? I still get redness and post sting with it, maybe less though.
A little less. Not sure it was worth getting the BAC SC. So far no good for Tesa/IPA amd unbuffered NAD. Seems ok for MOTS-C amd SS-31.
I almost want to do two pens, one with regular and one with BAC SC and do two shots of the same amount in opposite side of the body, like left quad and right quad. I think that is the only way I would know for sure… -
@commander I had accidentally reconned 2 ss-31 vials with regular bac before I realized my mistake. For me, it was only slightly worse than the sodium chloride.
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A few people that I trust on Telegram (they haven't steered me wrong yet) are swearing by mixing KPV with GHK-CU to avoid ISR. I ordered a kit of KPV to give it a try.
@Nuncles - yep. 5:1 ratio GHK-Cu to KPV which works great for me. Some folks go 5:2. Here is a good video on how to blend them into a single vial/cart.
https://youtu.be/OGjjVyH50ZM?is=vRF6vM06KeAQeDqy -
Here is a list of Peptides (from GLP1) reportedly compatible with BAC NaCl.
SS-31
Tirz
Sema
Glutathione
Tox
NAD+
ARA-290
KPV
KLOW
TB4
NA Semax Amidate
NA Selank Amidate
Epitalon
DSIP
HCG
PT-141Reportedly Incompatible with BAC NaCl:
Reta
GHK-Cu
CJC
Ipa
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@Nuncles - yep. 5:1 ratio GHK-Cu to KPV which works great for me. Some folks go 5:2. Here is a good video on how to blend them into a single vial/cart.
https://youtu.be/OGjjVyH50ZM?is=vRF6vM06KeAQeDqy@Nuncles - yep. 5:1 ratio GHK-Cu to KPV which works great for me. Some folks go 5:2. Here is a good video on how to blend them into a single vial/cart.
https://youtu.be/OGjjVyH50ZM?is=vRF6vM06KeAQeDqyThanks. That's the exact video I used. Just had a discussion on their TG that this ratio is just as painful to me as the watered down GHK-CU. I will try upping the KPV in the ratio.
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