Hospira 0.9% Bacteriostatic Sodium Chloride (30 mL)

Commander

So I had high hopes for this, but… after 1 week my Tesa/Ipa turned cloudy. And my unbuffered NAD seems to be stinging more and more every day with the BAC SC.. so far it is ok with Mots-c and SS-31. So my hopes of getting less buries is gone…

Stevepep

@Commander Thanks I have only been using it for SS-31 and MOTS-C and it works far better for me. I was able to handle MOTSC at 6mg 3x per week without even a red bump. 3mg used to be itchy and red. Everyone has different tolerance though

Commander

I was hoping it would be good for Tesa and NAD too, but I will Continue to use this For they MOTS-C and SS-31 for awhile.

mrjoshua44

@Commander BAC water containing sodium chloride (NaCl) shouldn't be used with unbuffered NAD+ only buffered versions. With unbuffered, it'll just make the injection worse.

Stevepep

@mrjoshua44 curious why is that. It doesn’t affect the PH.

Commander

@mrjoshua44 said:

@Commander BAC water containing sodium chloride (NaCl) shouldn't be used with unbuffered NAD+ only buffered versions. With unbuffered, it'll just make the injection worse.

The first couple of days it wasn’t, but then it got bad

Stevepep

Yes—if it is Hospira Bacteriostatic 0.9% Sodium Chloride, you can use it to reconstitute unbuffered NAD+. That is the preferred diluent class for NAD+ when a buffered product is not available.

It may reduce the osmotic/local-welt component of the reaction, but it will not neutralize the NAD+ solution’s acidity, which is usually the main reason unbuffered NAD+ burns or stings. A pre-buffered NAD+ product is the better fix for that; otherwise, slower administration, more dilution within the vial’s capacity, and site rotation are the practical levers.

From Peptide Fox AI I will not vouch for this, as I asked for a source and it couldn't point to one other than some drivel

Paradox

@Commander did you actually notice a difference with MOTS-C? I still get redness and post sting with it, maybe less though.

Commander

@Paradox said:

@Commander did you actually notice a difference with MOTS-C? I still get redness and post sting with it, maybe less though.

A little less. Not sure it was worth getting the BAC SC. So far no good for Tesa/IPA amd unbuffered NAD. Seems ok for MOTS-C amd SS-31.
I almost want to do two pens, one with regular and one with BAC SC and do two shots of the same amount in opposite side of the body, like left quad and right quad. I think that is the only way I would know for sure…

Nuncles

@commander I had accidentally reconned 2 ss-31 vials with regular bac before I realized my mistake. For me, it was only slightly worse than the sodium chloride.

Blueeyedme

@Nuncles - yep. 5:1 ratio GHK-Cu to KPV which works great for me. Some folks go 5:2. Here is a good video on how to blend them into a single vial/cart.
https://youtu.be/OGjjVyH50ZM?is=vRF6vM06KeAQeDqy

Blueeyedme

Here is a list of Peptides (from GLP1) reportedly compatible with BAC NaCl.

SS-31
Tirz
Sema
Glutathione
Tox
NAD+
ARA-290
KPV
KLOW
TB4
NA Semax Amidate
NA Selank Amidate
Epitalon
DSIP
HCG
PT-141

Reportedly Incompatible with BAC NaCl:
Reta
GHK-Cu
CJC
Ipa
5-Amino-1Q (Chloride version)

Nuncles

@Blueeyedme said:

@Nuncles - yep. 5:1 ratio GHK-Cu to KPV which works great for me. Some folks go 5:2. Here is a good video on how to blend them into a single vial/cart.
https://youtu.be/OGjjVyH50ZM?is=vRF6vM06KeAQeDqy

Thanks. That's the exact video I used. Just had a discussion on their TG that this ratio is just as painful to me as the watered down GHK-CU. I will try upping the KPV in the ratio.

Blueeyedme

@Nuncles - yeah, it’s a good group. I do like the organizers.

Eleanor

@SkepticJen said:

@Eleanor Yep - Ordered last week after reading this thread. Should be here mid week and I'll be ready to make a new MOTS just at the right time, but it'll be another week before I make SS-31 or NAD. All the discussion about buffered vs unbuffered NAD just got me questioning. I'm happy to sacrifice a NAD vial to check if it'll reduce sting, but would love to hear about it before it's time to try. Many thanks in advance!

It works on SS31, MOTS and on NAD+ buffered; I don't know about NAD unbuffed. reconned them all & works well.

Stevepep

@Eleanor Game changer for me and a case of Hospira NACL Bac is $100 at Medex. Someone can explain why it's $285 for Hospira BAC without the addition of NACL.

Eleanor

@Stevepep said:

@Eleanor Game changer for me and a case of Hospira NACL Bac is $100 at Medex. Someone can explain why it's $285 for Hospira BAC without the addition of NACL.

I just found it for $110. Wonder what the exp date is. Going to get me some anyway. Thank you!

Eleanor

@stevepep Nice find, thank you! Shipping not even $16; put some pep vendors to shame! Tax, shipping, product total $136.59 = ~5.12 per 30ml bottle. I'll frickin take it...and did.

Not sure I want to try it on Survo or Cagri, will see.

Eleanor

@stevepep I should probably put this under vials, and I will, but since I mix 2000+mg NAD at a time, I like this price and they sound sterile, much like Ultra Spec. $9.99 shipping for box of 25.

https://www.medicalproductssupplies.com/products/sterile-empty-vials-clear-10ml-1?variant=39790012268638&country=US&currency=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=24133928868&gbraid=0AAAAACiZE_sLp3kk2AolTiKgJIy1DAN_r&gclid=CjwKCAjww-3VBhAcEiwAwUUIuwZClETfZoA4EHoeBTI3eUAayoSkfg7rie1X6p6VsjXvPXy9RqbZCBoC1mIQAvD_BwE

Randy

Has anyone tried this with glutathione yet?

I grabbed a pack for us to do some "science".