Tessamorelin protocol ? Cons / side effects ?
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@Randy I keep trying to talk myself out of HGH… but everything i read is that there is NO comparison between it and a secretagogue like Tesa/CJC.
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@Randy could you please share more about he average cost for 12 weeks. I just got two mg vials and realized that is only 10 2mg shots for my rat.
@jimmygunns kits or single bottles? This is a situation where goin grey, buying 8 kits and getting it tested is the way.
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Yeah i got a kit of tesa for damn near free from my connect. So more like pepsi zero cherry lol
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@Randy I keep trying to talk myself out of HGH… but everything i read is that there is NO comparison between it and a secretagogue like Tesa/CJC.
In retrospect, I am not sure that the Ipa's and Tesa's and CJ's etc. really did much of anything for me. The first time I did HGH I remember thinking "OH, That's what that other stuff was supposed to do" Seems a lot cleaner, and I haven't seen any side effects.
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@vpeptides said:
also water retention is real.
How do you know it is the Tesa? Am I the only one who injected my girlfriend's big brown beaver with 9 different biological oozes today? How does anyone do controlled experiments when they just want the benefits, not the recognition for being an amateur scientist?
I, unusually, got bloated and stiff today after eating a cup of seed oil laden snacks. Bet it was not the peptides that I injected into that beaver.
Hats off to researchers.
@kenhnsy This is why I lots of people will advise you to start new peptides one at a time. The reason i know it is the tesa is that the tesa was the only thing that was new or different. If I am researching Semax, Dihexa, MOTS-C, KLOW, and Tirz and I add Tesa, I can be reasonably confident that any new side effects are either due to the Tesa or an interaction. This is especially true if I have already researched CJC/Ipa and sermorelin and not had similar side effects.
I am not a veteran grandmaster in this space, but I urge people to take a conservative approach when initiating new protocols and titrating doses. You can always add more once tolerance has been established.
I am not judging (honest!), but hopefully you went from 1 to 9 over time and didn’t just start jabbing your research subject with 9 things. Even with KLOW, I started with wolverine, found out how spectacular it was, talked to people and read about Glow, joined this forum and saw people talking about KLOW, and grudgingly came around. Now I make my own KLOW+ blends. But that was a year long evolution.
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@JtCjEfF its like going to a restaurant and asking for a diet coke and they say "we have pepsi is that ok". Yeah its ok but its not great. Secretagogue's are diet pepsi.
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@JtCjEfF its like going to a restaurant and asking for a diet coke and they say "we have pepsi is that ok". Yeah its ok but its not great. Secretagogue's are diet pepsi.
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2mg a day over 12 weeks is the standard. Ive done it. Sore joints, water retention, isr are common.
HGH doesnt give me any of those.
@Randy gonna just finish all the Tesa I got then start Acquiring some Hgh
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Dr. Tatem says that HGH does not increase athletic performance. Has anyone who gives it to their research beast found this to be false?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw6Q5Lje9Qs
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Just got my IGF-1 result from Quest after 1 mg Tesamorelin for 3 weeks. 200 ng/mL. My base is 121 ng/mL. I added 200 mcg Ipamorelin since then planning to retest in a few weeks. Quest takes about a week to publish the result.
@vpeptides wow read all the comments especially @randy
Ive been on 2iu of GH for 6months, my baseline IGF was 212 then with the GH ive been upper range 355.
I have 2 options….
Drop to 1.5iu and get a little lower.
Or drop GH for 2months and use Tesa/IPA, im not looking for optimal ranges but more to jump start my system while i finish my cut end of Nov.
Then in Dec go back to GH 1.5iu and in Jan start FLGR
Lets see what @randy says
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@vpeptides wow read all the comments especially @randy
Ive been on 2iu of GH for 6months, my baseline IGF was 212 then with the GH ive been upper range 355.
I have 2 options….
Drop to 1.5iu and get a little lower.
Or drop GH for 2months and use Tesa/IPA, im not looking for optimal ranges but more to jump start my system while i finish my cut end of Nov.
Then in Dec go back to GH 1.5iu and in Jan start FLGR
Lets see what @randy says
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2mg a day over 12 weeks is the standard. Ive done it. Sore joints, water retention, isr are common.
HGH doesnt give me any of those.
@Randy Same here. 25 days on Tesa 1.5\Ipa .4 mg and my hands and wrists in particular are sore and achy. Also minor overall joint soreness and my hands are going numb while sleeping. Shelving the Tesamorelin.....
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@diegoc 200 is not very high, especially looking at your 355. The side-effects seems like settling down.
@vpeptides said:
@diegoc 200 is not very high, especially looking at your 355. The side-effects seems like settling down.
180 - 220 is the sweet spot for long term health and anti-aging. The overall relative risk for all cause mortality starts to increase at 160. I push this a little higher because I find the benefits worth the risk, and given everything else positive I am doing health wise going into the 200 range is fine for me. Personally though would not be comfortable pushing my IGF-1 at 355 long term into older age and beyond, the benefits/risk-reward IMO isn't worth it. 200 is a strong signal and you're getting all the benefits that IGF-1 provides (tissue repair, recovery, lypolisis) while mitigating overall risks.
Going from 121 to 200 on 1mg of Tesa is a solid response. I would add Ipamorelin, if its compounded at 10/3 a 300mcg dose of Ipamorelin is fine, a little on the higher end but should suffice. Retest after awhile and adjust from there.
You might end up only needed 500 -750mcg of Tesa when you combine with Ipa. That would still leave you using 150 - 225 of Ipa which is plenty.
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I agree and i can find reports for everything we eat and drink thats says it has a higher risk of mortality.
In my opinion.
Some markers i will take to the upper limits of the reference range for a short period of time.
If you can see by my thread Im saying Im going to take a break and then re start at a lower dose, then I will give my body a chance to produce IGF.
Then i will do Blood work… Everything i do is based off BW.
If you see all my post, I plan all my protocols 1 year in advance.
I have 2027 Bio regulators and Peptides all planned out.
I even have how I will train, what muscles will I train more and others just maintain.
Then when i get to were i want to be I will review all my BW and protocols and go into a maintenance phaae of my life.
By being higher on the reference range for some periods in time, i feel its within my risk profile.
Ok I might not live to 120 but if I live to a good age, looking good and feeling good, thats good for me.
I respect if you are good with 200 igf,
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@vpeptides said:
@diegoc 200 is not very high, especially looking at your 355. The side-effects seems like settling down.
180 - 220 is the sweet spot for long term health and anti-aging. The overall relative risk for all cause mortality starts to increase at 160. I push this a little higher because I find the benefits worth the risk, and given everything else positive I am doing health wise going into the 200 range is fine for me. Personally though would not be comfortable pushing my IGF-1 at 355 long term into older age and beyond, the benefits/risk-reward IMO isn't worth it. 200 is a strong signal and you're getting all the benefits that IGF-1 provides (tissue repair, recovery, lypolisis) while mitigating overall risks.
Going from 121 to 200 on 1mg of Tesa is a solid response. I would add Ipamorelin, if its compounded at 10/3 a 300mcg dose of Ipamorelin is fine, a little on the higher end but should suffice. Retest after awhile and adjust from there.
You might end up only needed 500 -750mcg of Tesa when you combine with Ipa. That would still leave you using 150 - 225 of Ipa which is plenty.
@Neil-McCauley also my plan is to rotate after i see what sides if any from Tesa and Ipa
I think my IGF would be good with just 1iu of GH which i have 0 side effects on 2, so it would save me money in the long run
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@vpeptides said:
@diegoc 200 is not very high, especially looking at your 355. The side-effects seems like settling down.
180 - 220 is the sweet spot for long term health and anti-aging. The overall relative risk for all cause mortality starts to increase at 160. I push this a little higher because I find the benefits worth the risk, and given everything else positive I am doing health wise going into the 200 range is fine for me. Personally though would not be comfortable pushing my IGF-1 at 355 long term into older age and beyond, the benefits/risk-reward IMO isn't worth it. 200 is a strong signal and you're getting all the benefits that IGF-1 provides (tissue repair, recovery, lypolisis) while mitigating overall risks.
Going from 121 to 200 on 1mg of Tesa is a solid response. I would add Ipamorelin, if its compounded at 10/3 a 300mcg dose of Ipamorelin is fine, a little on the higher end but should suffice. Retest after awhile and adjust from there.
You might end up only needed 500 -750mcg of Tesa when you combine with Ipa. That would still leave you using 150 - 225 of Ipa which is plenty.
@Neil-McCauley Thank you! I use Tesa and Ipa each from separate vials for the research until I figure out the proper ratio.
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Just got my IGF-1 result from Quest after 1 mg Tesamorelin for 3 weeks. 200 ng/mL. My base is 121 ng/mL. I added 200 mcg Ipamorelin since then planning to retest in a few weeks. Quest takes about a week to publish the result.
@Neil-McCauley also my plan is to rotate after i see what sides if any from Tesa and Ipa
I think my IGF would be good with just 1iu of GH which i have 0 side effects on 2, so it would save me money in the long run
I think pretty much most people really only need 1iu of GH, that will generally get you into that sweet spot that I noted above and you'll see benefits over time. I believe in the studies of elderly people and GH that's all they were using and had several positive benefits and side effects were very low. It's the dosage I'd start with if I went that route.
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@Neil-McCauley Thank you! I use Tesa and Ipa each from separate vials for the research until I figure out the proper ratio.
@vpeptides said:
@Neil-McCauley Thank you! I use Tesa and Ipa each from separate vials for the research until I figure out the proper ratio.
If you're going separate vials, 1mg of Tesa and Ipa I'd run at 2mcg/kg.
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@Neil-McCauley also my plan is to rotate after i see what sides if any from Tesa and Ipa
I think my IGF would be good with just 1iu of GH which i have 0 side effects on 2, so it would save me money in the long run
I think pretty much most people really only need 1iu of GH, that will generally get you into that sweet spot that I noted above and you'll see benefits over time. I believe in the studies of elderly people and GH that's all they were using and had several positive benefits and side effects were very low. It's the dosage I'd start with if I went that route.
@Neil-McCauley TRIIM trial used 4IU (initially) for a year to regrow thymus though. Didn't report serious side effects.
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