Klotho / FLGR242 (albumin-bound new tech)
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@denti I know this is off the topic here so maybe a DM but can you tell me the specifics for your 8-week protocol for SS-31/Mots-c/NAD+/5Amino-1mq? How much, when, frequency for each? Results so far?
@denti I know this is off the topic here so maybe a DM but can you tell me the specifics for your 8-week protocol for SS-31/Mots-c/NAD+/5Amino-1mq? How much, when, frequency for each? Results so far?
Sure. This is my first time running this stack so I am not saying follow this but this is what I decided to do after researching what others have done, what they stacked and when.
SS-31: Weeks 1-8/Daily 10mg
Mots-c: Weeks 5-8/ Mon,Wed,Fri 2mg first week titrating up to 5mg final 2 weeks
NAD+: Weeks 5-8/ Tue,Thurs Sat 25mg first week titrating up to 100mg final weeks
5AM1MQ: Weeks 5-12/Daily 5mg (This one I have ran before with Tesa and like it)Results. I started my peptide journey about 4months ago. I started around 190lbs back in February/March. Goal was to get down to 175. Then still felt fat so new goal was 160lbs which I am past. I have ran Wolverine stack for 8 weeks for knee and achilles pain and healed my achilles. Ran 5AM1MQ for 8 weeks and also ran Tesa without ipa for 8 weeks and my visceral fat according to dexa back in February was 1.2lbs. Last week after dexa it was 0.6lbs. So I believe that definitely helped. I'm finishing up final few days of AOD-9064. I take that fasted in the morning. Does that help I really don't know. My problem is I have tried so many different peptides for 8 weeks cycle one on top of another and I have just continued to cut weight. So what's really working the best I cannot pinpoint. And then I also physically run a lot so that could really be what's helping me lose weight. That's the unfortunate part of running too many things all at once.
My issue is that I have been losing weight slowly for the past 4 years. I started around 260lb. So I lost 70lbs on my own without the use of any peptides but these last 4 months on peptides with increase in cardio has made the weight fall off much faster. So I can't really pinpoint to what worked best and just trying things out as I go along. So with this SS-31/Mots-c/NAD+/5AM1MQ my goal was to push my endurance even harder. I can run 6miles with a 40lb weighted vest on me. I wanted to push further and see what my limits are physically. I feel more energetic with this stack but could be placebo. It's an expensive stack to run with SS-31 but I am willing to try everything once.
I hate the way I look. I just look skinny fat and soft (I think due to having so much loose skin otherwise everyone who sees me clothed thinks I look very lean) and that's why I am now going to switch it up after this SS31/motsc/nad cycle is done and focus on FLGR242 and resistance training. It's like what PeptidePete wrote above in this thread about body recomposition. I made losing lbs on the scale my focus and I'm actually not happy the way I look even though the scale has me below what my goal was. I rather be 175lbs and lean and cut then 155lbs and soft. Its a hard mental transition to make as I feel bad every time I weigh myself and the scale goes up even 1lb but logically I know its about how you look that matters, not the number on the scale. I'm 44 and would like to have visible abs for once in my life even if I can't maintain it. But unfortunately I have too much excess skin that I will probably need to have surgery one day to remove it. But for now I can try to bulk up with muscle and try to get below 15% body fat with the help of FLGR242.
I should add back in February when I had a dexa right before starting peptides, I had nearly 30% body fat. So in the 4months It has dropped around 12%
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@denti I know this is off the topic here so maybe a DM but can you tell me the specifics for your 8-week protocol for SS-31/Mots-c/NAD+/5Amino-1mq? How much, when, frequency for each? Results so far?
Sure. This is my first time running this stack so I am not saying follow this but this is what I decided to do after researching what others have done, what they stacked and when.
SS-31: Weeks 1-8/Daily 10mg
Mots-c: Weeks 5-8/ Mon,Wed,Fri 2mg first week titrating up to 5mg final 2 weeks
NAD+: Weeks 5-8/ Tue,Thurs Sat 25mg first week titrating up to 100mg final weeks
5AM1MQ: Weeks 5-12/Daily 5mg (This one I have ran before with Tesa and like it)Results. I started my peptide journey about 4months ago. I started around 190lbs back in February/March. Goal was to get down to 175. Then still felt fat so new goal was 160lbs which I am past. I have ran Wolverine stack for 8 weeks for knee and achilles pain and healed my achilles. Ran 5AM1MQ for 8 weeks and also ran Tesa without ipa for 8 weeks and my visceral fat according to dexa back in February was 1.2lbs. Last week after dexa it was 0.6lbs. So I believe that definitely helped. I'm finishing up final few days of AOD-9064. I take that fasted in the morning. Does that help I really don't know. My problem is I have tried so many different peptides for 8 weeks cycle one on top of another and I have just continued to cut weight. So what's really working the best I cannot pinpoint. And then I also physically run a lot so that could really be what's helping me lose weight. That's the unfortunate part of running too many things all at once.
My issue is that I have been losing weight slowly for the past 4 years. I started around 260lb. So I lost 70lbs on my own without the use of any peptides but these last 4 months on peptides with increase in cardio has made the weight fall off much faster. So I can't really pinpoint to what worked best and just trying things out as I go along. So with this SS-31/Mots-c/NAD+/5AM1MQ my goal was to push my endurance even harder. I can run 6miles with a 40lb weighted vest on me. I wanted to push further and see what my limits are physically. I feel more energetic with this stack but could be placebo. It's an expensive stack to run with SS-31 but I am willing to try everything once.
I hate the way I look. I just look skinny fat and soft (I think due to having so much loose skin otherwise everyone who sees me clothed thinks I look very lean) and that's why I am now going to switch it up after this SS31/motsc/nad cycle is done and focus on FLGR242 and resistance training. It's like what PeptidePete wrote above in this thread about body recomposition. I made losing lbs on the scale my focus and I'm actually not happy the way I look even though the scale has me below what my goal was. I rather be 175lbs and lean and cut then 155lbs and soft. Its a hard mental transition to make as I feel bad every time I weigh myself and the scale goes up even 1lb but logically I know its about how you look that matters, not the number on the scale. I'm 44 and would like to have visible abs for once in my life even if I can't maintain it. But unfortunately I have too much excess skin that I will probably need to have surgery one day to remove it. But for now I can try to bulk up with muscle and try to get below 15% body fat with the help of FLGR242.
I should add back in February when I had a dexa right before starting peptides, I had nearly 30% body fat. So in the 4months It has dropped around 12%
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@denti
Grade-A. Well thought out analysis and plan. Your labs look good. Ideally a bit more T would be nice but as you trim away some more BF you may. see a bump. Awesome you just had a Dexa. I started FLGR about 2 months after my first Dexa so my second testing results were after 4 months of using. Wish I would have timed this better but such is life. Currently I'm 'blasting' at 5mg weekly (1mg daily Tues-Sat) which BLL considers 'advanced' use. There is no scientific reason for this dosing strategy and I can't dispute those who say weekly or twice a week dosing is the way to go. In roughly 2 months I plan on a break and am currently trying to decide what, if anything, to substitute with (ex. IGF1-LR3 + PEG MGF for 6 weeks- thoughts Pete, Diego, and Co?). Others will chime in I'm sure but I would emphasize Tonal 3-5 times a week (flgr is a muscle building compound after all) and increase protein to 1.5-1.8 gm lean body mass daily. Welcome to the club lab rat!@denti
Grade-A. Well thought out analysis and plan. Your labs look good. Ideally a bit more T would be nice but as you trim away some more BF you may. see a bump. Awesome you just had a Dexa. I started FLGR about 2 months after my first Dexa so my second testing results were after 4 months of using. Wish I would have timed this better but such is life. Currently I'm 'blasting' at 5mg weekly (1mg daily Tues-Sat) which BLL considers 'advanced' use. There is no scientific reason for this dosing strategy and I can't dispute those who say weekly or twice a week dosing is the way to go. In roughly 2 months I plan on a break and am currently trying to decide what, if anything, to substitute with (ex. IGF1-LR3 + PEG MGF for 6 weeks- thoughts Pete, Diego, and Co?). Others will chime in I'm sure but I would emphasize Tonal 3-5 times a week (flgr is a muscle building compound after all) and increase protein to 1.5-1.8 gm lean body mass daily. Welcome to the club lab rat!So regarding Testosterone this is what actually started me on my peptide journey and focus on my health. Last year June at age 43 my Testosterone was 728. This April so in 10 months it dropped by 40% to 477. Since then I've gotten it up with Ashwagandha supplements but no where near it was. I believe the drop was due to some extreme personal relationship issues that I was going through and still going through today. A lot of sleepless nights and most likely elevated cortisol which killed my Testosterone. I would love to get back into the 700s but I want to avoid TRT if at all possible. I am interested to see what my Testosterone will be at once I add on muscle with the help of FLGR242
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@diegoc do you mean you can pinpoint at the difference between with Klotho LR and without it, that can't be attributed to something else?
@vpeptides Thats not what i said… The comment was about FLGR, and that i do take Klotho, but Klotho is not for building muscle.
I said you need the foundation first then peptides works better.
Example. If you take FLGR and you dont eat enough protein, your Testosterone is low, your Thyroid is wack, and your not training, you wont grow Muscle.
If you have done your foundation first, then you reap the benefits of Peptides, all Peptides, including GHK-cu.
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@denti
Grade-A. Well thought out analysis and plan. Your labs look good. Ideally a bit more T would be nice but as you trim away some more BF you may. see a bump. Awesome you just had a Dexa. I started FLGR about 2 months after my first Dexa so my second testing results were after 4 months of using. Wish I would have timed this better but such is life. Currently I'm 'blasting' at 5mg weekly (1mg daily Tues-Sat) which BLL considers 'advanced' use. There is no scientific reason for this dosing strategy and I can't dispute those who say weekly or twice a week dosing is the way to go. In roughly 2 months I plan on a break and am currently trying to decide what, if anything, to substitute with (ex. IGF1-LR3 + PEG MGF for 6 weeks- thoughts Pete, Diego, and Co?). Others will chime in I'm sure but I would emphasize Tonal 3-5 times a week (flgr is a muscle building compound after all) and increase protein to 1.5-1.8 gm lean body mass daily. Welcome to the club lab rat!So regarding Testosterone this is what actually started me on my peptide journey and focus on my health. Last year June at age 43 my Testosterone was 728. This April so in 10 months it dropped by 40% to 477. Since then I've gotten it up with Ashwagandha supplements but no where near it was. I believe the drop was due to some extreme personal relationship issues that I was going through and still going through today. A lot of sleepless nights and most likely elevated cortisol which killed my Testosterone. I would love to get back into the 700s but I want to avoid TRT if at all possible. I am interested to see what my Testosterone will be at once I add on muscle with the help of FLGR242
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@vpeptides Thats not what i said… The comment was about FLGR, and that i do take Klotho, but Klotho is not for building muscle.
I said you need the foundation first then peptides works better.
Example. If you take FLGR and you dont eat enough protein, your Testosterone is low, your Thyroid is wack, and your not training, you wont grow Muscle.
If you have done your foundation first, then you reap the benefits of Peptides, all Peptides, including GHK-cu.
@diegoc I am not too much interested in building more muscles, I have enough. I understood you used Klotho, and I ask whether you see the difference from this peptide. I know it's not for building muscles, it is used for protection of tissues and organs, and to delay age-related physical decline, as I understand. I wonder if it can be felt or tested.
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Ordered 12 vials and will do a 6 month period on FLGR242. Will follow the protocol Stones67 posted above. Here are my starting stats. Just had Dexa and labs done again last week. Will get them again after 12 weeks of FLGR242 and resistance training and again at the end of 24 weeks
Male 44
Weight 165.2lbs (Weighed 162 that morning on my own scale without clothing and 159lbs today)
Body Fat: 18.8%
Body Fat: 31 lbs
Lean Mass: 127.1 lbs
Visceral Fat: 0.60 lbsTestosterone: 513
Testosterone Free (Dialysis) 73.6
T4 Free: 1.3
T3 Free: 2.9
IGF 1: 193
Z Score: 0.7
SHBG: 41Currently no resistance training, but a lot of running with a weighted vest. Will cut down on running and focus mainly resistance training on my Tonal as I feel like I look just soft and skinny fat. Would like to do a body recomposition. Will probably get back on a cycle of Tesa/Ipa during the 6 months on FLGR242. In the middle of an 8 week cycle of SS-31/Mots-c/NAD+/5Amino-1mq.
Any advice from PeptidePete, Stones67 or Diegoc on anything you would recommend I do differently I would appreciate it. Will keep you all updated. PeptidePete and Stones67 sold me on trying FLGR242 after reading about their results.
@denti I would hold off on the FLGR, but good that you got the discount.
Im not saying you should do this, but this is what I would do.
I would raise my Testosterone, at least to the top of the range, this will give you strength to push hard in the gym.
You need a min of 3x a week in the gym, full body or 4x a week if you split.
You would waste your FLGR if you dont prime your muscles.
Eat at least 150-160g of protein, i eat more but thats a min.
40-60g of Fats and the rest in carbs.Track your protein and calories.
Check your Thyroid….
About 3-4 weeks in Testosterone, start your Tesa, or GH .
Get in the gym around 2-3months, get good at form and do progressive overload, track your lift.
THEN, add FLGR…..
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@denti I would hold off on the FLGR, but good that you got the discount.
Im not saying you should do this, but this is what I would do.
I would raise my Testosterone, at least to the top of the range, this will give you strength to push hard in the gym.
You need a min of 3x a week in the gym, full body or 4x a week if you split.
You would waste your FLGR if you dont prime your muscles.
Eat at least 150-160g of protein, i eat more but thats a min.
40-60g of Fats and the rest in carbs.Track your protein and calories.
Check your Thyroid….
About 3-4 weeks in Testosterone, start your Tesa, or GH .
Get in the gym around 2-3months, get good at form and do progressive overload, track your lift.
THEN, add FLGR…..
@denti I would hold off on the FLGR, but good that you got the discount.
Im not saying you should do this, but this is what I would do.
I would raise my Testosterone, at least to the top of the range, this will give you strength to push hard in the gym.
You need a min of 3x a week in the gym, full body or 4x a week if you split.
You would waste your FLGR if you dont prime your muscles.
Eat at least 150-160g of protein, i eat more but thats a min.
40-60g of Fats and the rest in carbs.Track your protein and calories.
Check your Thyroid….
About 3-4 weeks in Testosterone, start your Tesa, or GH .
Get in the gym around 2-3months, get good at form and do progressive overload, track your lift.
THEN, add FLGR…..
I appreciate the advice. I avg around 120g of protein a day right now. Will try to get it up to around 150g soon. My Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) if that's what you are referring to was at 1.3 at last check.
The current plan is to cut back on the running to maybe once a week and hit my tonal 3-4days a week. I just want to put on muscle as quickly as I can. Not looking to be huge, but just to not look like skinny fat any longer.
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@diegoc I am not too much interested in building more muscles, I have enough. I understood you used Klotho, and I ask whether you see the difference from this peptide. I know it's not for building muscles, it is used for protection of tissues and organs, and to delay age-related physical decline, as I understand. I wonder if it can be felt or tested.
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Over and over and over again, doctors and influencers will tell you that proper sleep, diet, and lifting heavy things are the best thing you can do for hormonal balance and overall well-being. There are even arguments to be made that all this peptide nonsense is just driving you to get better sleep and eat better, which leads to the results you want.
TL;DR - and no, I am not your real dad (
), but if you know your test is tanking because of lifestyle issues, try to solve that organically before you spend a ton of money on peps and other stuff.I was talking to a urologist yesterday and they were saying a large swing(drop) in T levels from one test to another could be just due to short term stuff and doesn’t necessarily warrant TRT.
Sorry I am rambling. Seth Capehart made a video recently that basically says what I said above, and what @diegoc is saying. Do lift, eat, and sleep for 6 months and if you don’t feel great and have good labs, then dive down the rabbit hole.
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@denti I would hold off on the FLGR, but good that you got the discount.
Im not saying you should do this, but this is what I would do.
I would raise my Testosterone, at least to the top of the range, this will give you strength to push hard in the gym.
You need a min of 3x a week in the gym, full body or 4x a week if you split.
You would waste your FLGR if you dont prime your muscles.
Eat at least 150-160g of protein, i eat more but thats a min.
40-60g of Fats and the rest in carbs.Track your protein and calories.
Check your Thyroid….
About 3-4 weeks in Testosterone, start your Tesa, or GH .
Get in the gym around 2-3months, get good at form and do progressive overload, track your lift.
THEN, add FLGR…..
I appreciate the advice. I avg around 120g of protein a day right now. Will try to get it up to around 150g soon. My Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH) if that's what you are referring to was at 1.3 at last check.
The current plan is to cut back on the running to maybe once a week and hit my tonal 3-4days a week. I just want to put on muscle as quickly as I can. Not looking to be huge, but just to not look like skinny fat any longer.
@denti yeah 120g of Protein is not enough, and all the cardio running, you burn it all.
I still do cardio 4x a week 20m, 12k steps, but the key is the gym…
You need to go really hard, i know I said the same thing.
I dont want to be a bodybuilder, just dont want to look skinny fat, but when the muscle starts growing and the abs pop out, you get all the compliments, then you really take it seriously and get disciplined.!
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@vpeptides No you cant feel Klotho, wether Jay says he has better sex.
My labs look good and the data is there that Klotho is a good longevity product.
So for right now Im continuing…
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@diegoc He’s still young-ish, but it’s a double whammy as you age. You have to eat more protein to get any sort of maintains, and your body doesn’t utilize protein as efficiently either. So the more the better. I have a really hard time eating the 180g a day I target.
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@diegoc naughty!
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@diegoc He’s still young-ish, but it’s a double whammy as you age. You have to eat more protein to get any sort of maintains, and your body doesn’t utilize protein as efficiently either. So the more the better. I have a really hard time eating the 180g a day I target.
@ResearchCat brother i had the same problem, so i added milk and protein powder or greek yogurt.
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Yep; I eat at least 8 oz full fat Greek yogurt, 8 oz ground turkey, and 1 protein shake almost every day in addition to whatever other meals I eat. Even then it’s tough because the American diet doesn’t lend itself to protein and most restaraunt servings give you at best 4-6 oz of meat.
I just need to get a lot better at meal prep and making food i am not sick of by mid-week..
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Over and over and over again, doctors and influencers will tell you that proper sleep, diet, and lifting heavy things are the best thing you can do for hormonal balance and overall well-being. There are even arguments to be made that all this peptide nonsense is just driving you to get better sleep and eat better, which leads to the results you want.
TL;DR - and no, I am not your real dad (
), but if you know your test is tanking because of lifestyle issues, try to solve that organically before you spend a ton of money on peps and other stuff.I was talking to a urologist yesterday and they were saying a large swing(drop) in T levels from one test to another could be just due to short term stuff and doesn’t necessarily warrant TRT.
Sorry I am rambling. Seth Capehart made a video recently that basically says what I said above, and what @diegoc is saying. Do lift, eat, and sleep for 6 months and if you don’t feel great and have good labs, then dive down the rabbit hole.
Over and over and over again, doctors and influencers will tell you that proper sleep, diet, and lifting heavy things are the best thing you can do for hormonal balance and overall well-being. There are even arguments to be made that all this peptide nonsense is just driving you to get better sleep and eat better, which leads to the results you want.
TL;DR - and no, I am not your real dad (
), but if you know your test is tanking because of lifestyle issues, try to solve that organically before you spend a ton of money on peps and other stuff.I was talking to a urologist yesterday and they were saying a large swing(drop) in T levels from one test to another could be just due to short term stuff and doesn’t necessarily warrant TRT.
Sorry I am rambling. Seth Capehart made a video recently that basically says what I said above, and what @diegoc is saying. Do lift, eat, and sleep for 6 months and if you don’t feel great and have good labs, then dive down the rabbit hole.
You're right but unfortunately I do not have the willpower to leave a toxic situation that is slowly killing me, yet I have the willpower to strap on 40lbs and run and not stop. Wish I had that determination and fortitude in my relationship.
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@denti So i was heavy maybe not as heavy as you were but I lost 30+ lbs.
Obviously the Gym is key for muscle growth but my skin was sagging a little as well and about 6months in the GH and GHK started tightening some.
For those really heavy ppl and loose skin, i would build muscle then see the options for further skin enhancement.
Im 55 and i will probably do a little something on my face after i see when i get to 8% BF
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