Klotho / FLGR242 (albumin-bound new tech)
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I'm another N=1. I'm 59yo. I'm exactly at 3 months since starting FLGR (no Klotho) and without a doubt have recorded visible changes in my physique that would not have occurred without running gear. Labs done after a month were all improved (fasted glucose, A1c, etc) but at the time was also running reta at 0.5mg every 6 days. Next labs in about a month and I may not be able to stop myself from adding a repeat Dexa (my curiosity is getting the better of me). I believe it (flgr) is allowing me to move beyond my myostatin regulated genetic potential. My testosterone is optimized with enclomiphene and I enjoy CJC/Ipa. The grey hair not withstanding, I look and feel closer to 40. But this is a speculative play. Not in terms of results, as I can honestly vouch for those now, but in terms of safety. I have enough stocked away for another year but am considering running this for another 3 months or so, and then taking a few months off. I'm honestly curious about the durability of results. I think Pete will still be on the stuff when he croaks at 150! Only buy when on sale (I don't buy anything else on BLL cuz all their stuff is crazy expensive) but shoot for at least 6 months. I wouldn't be surprised if they do something enticing over the 4th. Someone else is going to eventually reverse engineer the albumin binder part or figure out another way to extend half-life. The monoclonal antibody stuff is intriguing and I'll take my cues from quicksilver as he formulates his thoughts over time. Or go to Panama or the Bahamas or wherever and have your genes altered! Otherwise it's PED's or FLGR as far as I can tell! I watch Josh H. and think he does OK making AI research sound like his own. Unfortunately there is no real research on this new stuff so unless he tries it for 6 months he really doesn't know anything. Hope that helps and happy to chime in anytime!
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I just watched the video that's 15 minutes of my life I'll never get back. Look here's the bottom line I'm not going to waste any time on this if you're researching this material and you do not clearly understand the four different follistatins being discussed then you don't know what you're doing and you need to do better homework. Number one gene therapy number two monoclonal antibody number 3 injected directly into the muscle number four flgr242 albumin bound. Four completely different conversations if you don't understand that you need to dig deeper. This video was a pile of garbage and struck me as nothing more than hit piece and an attempt to appear intelligent when in fact he made himself out to be absolutely ignorant on the topic at hand. Let me be crystal clear I have an extremely hard time stomaching Jay Campbell I'm no sycophant for bio longevity labs . I'm a researcher I'm a serious researcher and I care about what works and what has minimum or no side effects. If you're looking if you're looking at this material dig deep. I'm not a gym rat, I'm not a bodybuilder, I have no tattoos I have no piercings and I'm sure as f*** not selling coaching. An absolute perfect example this video is of buyer beware and taking the time and making the effort to understand what it is that you're talking about.
Ps- I'm doing all of my post today using voice dictation on my phone so they're formatted like I'm a moron
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Stones 67, thank you for your post very interesting! Nothing in my previous post was oriented towards you whatsoever just to be clear on that. I appreciate you sharing your journey and your personal viewpoints it's helpful to everyone and I very much enjoy reading your post
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Yeah i also dont take any of this personally. Just having a interesting conversation with stuff weve all seen that may or may not argue the opposing side. Thats kinda how i research. I dont look at it as how is he wrong but where are the holes in my ideas. Guess doing that to other peoples videos can be seen as strange though hopefully noone took me as antagonistic or inflammatory
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Stones 67, thank you for your post very interesting! Nothing in my previous post was oriented towards you whatsoever just to be clear on that. I appreciate you sharing your journey and your personal viewpoints it's helpful to everyone and I very much enjoy reading your post
@PeptidePete Didn't even cross my mind that you were speaking to me directly. We are all good. I like this topic and greatly enjoy the discourse! Glad there's a couple folks on here either already well along in their journey or doing a deep dive to see if it sounds right for them. I can tell you know your s**t. I value your insights (and quicks!) and read your comments with interest.
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Thought of some strings I'd highly recommend curious folks to pull on:
- The gene therapies for all their promise seem to have not worked well. Poor results. Both minicircle and plasmid.
- As always happens grifters are identified- Adeel Khan (no surprise).
- The inventor of FLGR242 and a-Klotho MAB, Mike Farber, is worthy of a deep dive, I like everything I see and hear.
- My wife (petite) has been on FLGR for 4 months now at 2mg once per week and she has gone from having ZERO desire for variable resistance workouts to being a little workout monster and looks great.
- The monoclonal antibodies aside from being simply unattainable have in most cases quite serious unwanted side effects.
I thank my lucky stars I immediately recognized the value on offer when the two MAB (Modified Albumin Binding) agents were introduced by BLL last year, Mike Farber is in the same situation I am, aging and wanting some good, REAL, solutions. He eats his own cooking. I'm so thankful he is who he is. That's all for me for a while because I sound like a paid shill, but I am a PAYING shill...lol. Dig deep my friends, trust no one. And never ever forget when you are reading or watching something, "THEY" want you weak and compliant, I'm shocked FLGR/a-Klotho can still be bought. Do your homework, be the absolute best you can be.
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I am going to vote this thread the most expensive thread in peptide history. Congratulations on wiping out all my savings since joining this forum.
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I am going to vote this thread the most expensive thread in peptide history. Congratulations on wiping out all my savings since joining this forum.
I am going to vote this thread the most expensive thread in peptide history. Congratulations on wiping out all my savings since joining this forum.
My SS-31/Sturgeon roe posts perhaps come in at #2?
LOL
The price of vigor and vascularity!
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This is interesting, but both users in this thread have confounding compounds and may be more motivated at the gym by placebo effect. Would love to see graphs from stats, labs and workout trackers to see if you are beating what would be considered normal gains.
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@peptideed speaking of your sturgeon roe posts… could you expand on (or at least point out the threads to pull) the reason sturgeon roe instead of sockeye salmon roe?
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@peptideed speaking of your sturgeon roe posts… could you expand on (or at least point out the threads to pull) the reason sturgeon roe instead of sockeye salmon roe?
@peptideed speaking of your sturgeon roe posts… could you expand on (or at least point out the threads to pull) the reason sturgeon roe instead of sockeye salmon roe?
As noted in the other thread, I urge independent research on this topic. Very different nutrient profiles.
The salmon roe is the next best choice but you need to be accepting of a very different flavor profile as well. If salmon, I'd suggest buying the fresh-frozen ones and defrosting as needed. Some of the stuff in jars is vile, you eat oxidized roe you are damaging your body.
My new favorite supplier, Bester Caviar, just ran a buy two get two sale (that's 50% off for math challenged...lol) for 24 hours. Bought several kgs enough for several months.
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I am going to vote this thread the most expensive thread in peptide history. Congratulations on wiping out all my savings since joining this forum.
@ResearchCat I’ll second that vote! lol
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This is interesting, but both users in this thread have confounding compounds and may be more motivated at the gym by placebo effect. Would love to see graphs from stats, labs and workout trackers to see if you are beating what would be considered normal gains.
@vonendorphin "Both users" cracked me up! Thank you! Of course you are correct about confounding factors. What phrase is usually at the end of almost every medical study?- "more research is needed to explain blah, blah, blah". I'm an N=1. 30 years ago I used to track stuff like that when I was doing triathlons. But that dog don't hunt no more. I will say my stack is stable with the only major change being no reta for the last month when I felt it was holding back gains. I have used the Tonal system exclusively for resistance training for the last 4 and a half years and made solid gains the old fashioned way- ie dad bod and no peps. It has something called a strength score which I follow with marginal interest. I'll see if I can figure out how to pull a screen shot of the last six months and post it- but I'm an old fart who is constantly several steps behind in tech. To save you the suspense it would show my score falling off a cliff mid February due to a small rotator cuff tear and a nasty case of impingement. Rehab. Started back slow and steady while avoiding certain lifts not endorsed by my ortho colleagues. Finally feeling confident enough in my shoulder to start pushing it again. But what I see, during a period of forced reduced effort, has still impressed me, which I attribute to FLGR. The missus is impressed enough she's gonna start the women's version called 'slim assist' so we'll maybe have some N=2 data in a few months! Our moto has been we have to either see it or feel it or it goes to the back of the line.
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@Stones67 any weird side effects worth note? I feel like they'd be similar to gh
@Stones67 any weird side effects worth note? I feel like they'd be similar to gh
No FLGR negative sides whatsoever. None. Not AT ALL like GH.
Positives- The vascularity (unmistakable), craving workouts once this stuff kicks in over time and at higher doses (1mg/day). The ramp-up of those effects lasted for approx 6-8 weeks and tapered away as I packed on the skeletal muscle mass.
Side note for those on a GLP- YOU HAVE TO EAT PROTEIN (not garbage crap) and lots of it for this to generate a supercharging effect on lean mass. I would suggest Jaquish Biomedical Fortagen 2x daily + the biggest fatty ribeye(s) you can cram down. And roe, lots of roe
GH over 4-6IU I get the darn mitten-hands and clown-shoe feet
Otherwise I'd run 10 IU of the stuff. It's so cheap nowadays for pharma-grade+. -
@Stones67 any weird side effects worth note? I feel like they'd be similar to gh
No FLGR negative sides whatsoever. None. Not AT ALL like GH.
Positives- The vascularity (unmistakable), craving workouts once this stuff kicks in over time and at higher doses (1mg/day). The ramp-up of those effects lasted for approx 6-8 weeks and tapered away as I packed on the skeletal muscle mass.
Side note for those on a GLP- YOU HAVE TO EAT PROTEIN (not garbage crap) and lots of it for this to generate a supercharging effect on lean mass. I would suggest Jaquish Biomedical Fortagen 2x daily + the biggest fatty ribeye(s) you can cram down. And roe, lots of roe
GH over 4-6IU I get the darn mitten-hands and clown-shoe feet
Otherwise I'd run 10 IU of the stuff. It's so cheap nowadays for pharma-grade+.@stones67 Stones Thats one hellacious echo in here . Lol
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@peptideed speaking of your sturgeon roe posts… could you expand on (or at least point out the threads to pull) the reason sturgeon roe instead of sockeye salmon roe?
As noted in the other thread, I urge independent research on this topic. Very different nutrient profiles.
The salmon roe is the next best choice but you need to be accepting of a very different flavor profile as well. If salmon, I'd suggest buying the fresh-frozen ones and defrosting as needed. Some of the stuff in jars is vile, you eat oxidized roe you are damaging your body.
My new favorite supplier, Bester Caviar, just ran a buy two get two sale (that's 50% off for math challenged...lol) for 24 hours. Bought several kgs enough for several months.
@PeptidePete www.red-caviar.com seems to be a lot cheaper for ossetra.
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@stones67 Stones Thats one hellacious echo in here . Lol
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@quicksilver80 I'm still trying to think of the possible advantages of clown-shoe feet! I got nothing
@Stones67 ass kicking competitions? Idk
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LOL
A funny crowd! I'm pretty positive it is joking but to be clear I meant I get extremity edema, swelling. More IU's = big ass fluid-swollen feet and hands. Nothing harmful, just inconvenient.
In regards to roe sources, I have tried many and I would suggest others do the same as it is quite educational. I've yet to find any kg pricing less than approx $850/$900 that is quality I will accept, around $1000 it gets very nice. I seek and stock up on the $2000/kg stuff when it goes on sale ($2000->$1000/kg). I only ever buy kg tins, do your math cost per oz and it'll be clear why.
As I noted upthread, the lower quality roe releases oil into the tin as you work through it and I find that not appetizing, although it may be meaningless in regards to quality (I don't know).
Oh PS- Paddlefish roe while nutritionally above salmon releases a LOT of oil into the tin and I can't deal with that and/or the flavor of it. Ghetto sturgeon if you will. If someone can deal with it, the price is midpoint of the salmon and sturgeon. There is no free lunch in the value proposition across the roe spectrum as researchers will discover.
@randy do you want to rename this thread "PeptidePete's Batshit Crazy Researching Featuring FLGR242 and a-Klotho" and I'll update with a post of my current full regimen which will shock some folks (not joking). Not appropriate to do with current title.
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LOL
A funny crowd! I'm pretty positive it is joking but to be clear I meant I get extremity edema, swelling. More IU's = big ass fluid-swollen feet and hands. Nothing harmful, just inconvenient.
In regards to roe sources, I have tried many and I would suggest others do the same as it is quite educational. I've yet to find any kg pricing less than approx $850/$900 that is quality I will accept, around $1000 it gets very nice. I seek and stock up on the $2000/kg stuff when it goes on sale ($2000->$1000/kg). I only ever buy kg tins, do your math cost per oz and it'll be clear why.
As I noted upthread, the lower quality roe releases oil into the tin as you work through it and I find that not appetizing, although it may be meaningless in regards to quality (I don't know).
Oh PS- Paddlefish roe while nutritionally above salmon releases a LOT of oil into the tin and I can't deal with that and/or the flavor of it. Ghetto sturgeon if you will. If someone can deal with it, the price is midpoint of the salmon and sturgeon. There is no free lunch in the value proposition across the roe spectrum as researchers will discover.
@randy do you want to rename this thread "PeptidePete's Batshit Crazy Researching Featuring FLGR242 and a-Klotho" and I'll update with a post of my current full regimen which will shock some folks (not joking). Not appropriate to do with current title.
@PeptidePete Did you see the email for the 48hr sale?
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