New Lab - Koverlabs, a bit concerning?
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One thing I noticed from a couple of different vendor sites that i visited was Freedom tests the were a lower percentage, then new Kovera lab results that were much higher results.
It seemed to me that some vendors weren't getting their desired results from Freedom so switched to Kovera with much success.
At one point I was checking many sites for a go to. So many sites/vendors that I wanted nothing to do with.
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One thing I noticed from a couple of different vendor sites that i visited was Freedom tests the were a lower percentage, then new Kovera lab results that were much higher results.
It seemed to me that some vendors weren't getting their desired results from Freedom so switched to Kovera with much success.
At one point I was checking many sites for a go to. So many sites/vendors that I wanted nothing to do with.
It seemed to me that some vendors weren't getting their desired results from Freedom so switched to Kovera with much success
That's concerning. I have a bunch of vials with Kovera and ILS COAs.
Rest of my stock is Freedom and Vanguard. After more vendors offered 7/7 testing, I started preferring them but now I've to be judicious about Kovera and ILS COAs.
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It seemed to me that some vendors weren't getting their desired results from Freedom so switched to Kovera with much success
That's concerning. I have a bunch of vials with Kovera and ILS COAs.
Rest of my stock is Freedom and Vanguard. After more vendors offered 7/7 testing, I started preferring them but now I've to be judicious about Kovera and ILS COAs.
@pep_researcher they switched from freedom because freedom was testing well out of range on some compounds and not double checking.
I have a test from them thats suss currently.
I dont like how close freedom is with peptira. Ive heard the term "partner"thrown around.
"If it doesnt come in a needle. It doesn't work"
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@pep_researcher they switched from freedom because freedom was testing well out of range on some compounds and not double checking.
I have a test from them thats suss currently.
I dont like how close freedom is with peptira. Ive heard the term "partner"thrown around.
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@gym.rat said:
personally have had zero issues with their products and same goes for Glacier
I know in RUO world this rhetoric gets thrown around a lot, but with all due respect one RS not having an issue is not a scientific proof that the product is well tested and the lab is doing its job correctly. It could be that the product was good to begin with or the RS didn't show reaction to a bad product.
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@gym.rat ILS MAY be fine but I am not messing with this stuff right now. Vanguard, Trustpoint and Janoshik for me. In fact I would take Janoshik over anyone we know Nexaph is the dominant player and they won’t use any other lab so they pay top dollar for Janoshik. They are open minded to it but not yet. These labs that just popped up are super risky. They have no history, little to no database and who knows about equipment and skill set. Some testing requires lots of training, skill, equipment and the right environment. 7 point testing is meaningless without those. The retailers went to ILS because they are the cheapest. I have completely stopped buying from Crush and they were one of my go to retailers
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@Newenough I did a bunch of testing around 10 total with them. When comparing to Janoshik at Nexaph they were off but within reason IMO. The biggest difference was quantity. Purity was off by .1. It was higher on ILS. I only did one Nexaph test though the others were grey so nothing to compare them to.
Could be me just being to concerned but everything I tested was 99.8 or 99.9 or better at ILS. All very high purity from GHK-CU, bcp, cjc, Reta, DSIP all had those high readings so call me skeptical
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Once the RIGHT test lab in the USA is identified, they will become swamped and take a lot longer then they do now. Growing pains suck.
But there is NOT one test lab that has not had problems- yes even Jano had some problems (reported on here, do a search). Jano is just vocal about testing so everyone thinks he is the king. Basically he is a showboater because it brings him business.
I was half tempted to start a lab myself, but unfortunately my business keeps me insanely busy. People like to get divorced for some reason… -
Once the RIGHT test lab in the USA is identified, they will become swamped and take a lot longer then they do now. Growing pains suck.
But there is NOT one test lab that has not had problems- yes even Jano had some problems (reported on here, do a search). Jano is just vocal about testing so everyone thinks he is the king. Basically he is a showboater because it brings him business.
I was half tempted to start a lab myself, but unfortunately my business keeps me insanely busy. People like to get divorced for some reason…@Commander Agreed, I will say this on Janoshik, they have been around a long time and have the database all the other labs wish they had access to. They are not perfect, but if your life depended on it and you could only select one lab to test your product life or death, it wouldn't be one of these US labs, it would be Jano, and it's not even a second thought. It's just a complete pain to send them stuff to test. Soon enough, they will be in the US, and then the whole US lab thing goes Kaboom.
I have looked into this since I have some background. I also heavily investigated selling BAC. In both cases, the employment disclosures I would have to make are a no-go. The BAC business is insane, you can print money and the licensing is a piece of cake to buy Hospira.
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@Commander Agreed, I will say this on Janoshik, they have been around a long time and have the database all the other labs wish they had access to. They are not perfect, but if your life depended on it and you could only select one lab to test your product life or death, it wouldn't be one of these US labs, it would be Jano, and it's not even a second thought. It's just a complete pain to send them stuff to test. Soon enough, they will be in the US, and then the whole US lab thing goes Kaboom.
I have looked into this since I have some background. I also heavily investigated selling BAC. In both cases, the employment disclosures I would have to make are a no-go. The BAC business is insane, you can print money and the licensing is a piece of cake to buy Hospira.
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@Commander Agreed, I will say this on Janoshik, they have been around a long time and have the database all the other labs wish they had access to. They are not perfect, but if your life depended on it and you could only select one lab to test your product life or death, it wouldn't be one of these US labs, it would be Jano, and it's not even a second thought. It's just a complete pain to send them stuff to test. Soon enough, they will be in the US, and then the whole US lab thing goes Kaboom.
I have looked into this since I have some background. I also heavily investigated selling BAC. In both cases, the employment disclosures I would have to make are a no-go. The BAC business is insane, you can print money and the licensing is a piece of cake to buy Hospira.
The BAC business is insane, you can print money and the
agreed! I have my setup for Ghetto BAC using cell lab grade sterile water and thought so many times that I can produce and sell a lot better quality Ghetto BAC than the toilet water people buy to save $5-10 bucks on Hospira bottle. Because I would use TRUE nonpyrogenic sterile water.But liability and potential disclosure requirements at my regular employer make me rethink. My employer wouldn't care as there's no conflict of interest, but the regulatory landscape is shady with thugs like FDA and payment processors.
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@gym.rat ILS MAY be fine but I am not messing with this stuff right now. Vanguard, Trustpoint and Janoshik for me. In fact I would take Janoshik over anyone we know Nexaph is the dominant player and they won’t use any other lab so they pay top dollar for Janoshik. They are open minded to it but not yet. These labs that just popped up are super risky. They have no history, little to no database and who knows about equipment and skill set. Some testing requires lots of training, skill, equipment and the right environment. 7 point testing is meaningless without those. The retailers went to ILS because they are the cheapest. I have completely stopped buying from Crush and they were one of my go to retailers
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that can verify Eloralintide
Ummm I would like to know how? Because everywhere I heard Elora is hard to test with that ring formation requirement etc. So how come ILS that gives out COAs for capsulated products although they can't test net content to microgm level and yet dish out COAs with perfect numbers, got the ability to test Elora.
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that can verify Eloralintide
Ummm I would like to know how? Because everywhere I heard Elora is hard to test with that ring formation requirement etc. So how come ILS that gives out COAs for capsulated products although they can't test net content to microgm level and yet dish out COAs with perfect numbers, got the ability to test Elora.
@pep_researcher Test and issue a COA are two different things with several of these labs, LOL. 100pct purity was one of the best examples I have seen. Test with me if you want the highest purity
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@gym.rat “Self-explanatory”? I don’t understand what is supposedly so concerning. Is the vial insert the object that concerns you? It is simply an insert placed inside the vial to facilitate injection while minimizing excess sample waste.
I’m not here to convince anyone. I’m here to provide context for any researchers who may come across this thread.
Competition breeds innovation. Freedom Labs recently announced that it will begin accepting online submissions, and Vanguard has finally moved to online COA verification.
I took out a high-interest loan because I believed there was a need for a modern laboratory in this space. It was clear to me that the industry had remained stagnant. With that loan, I purchased my first HPLC system.
Working out of my basement, I taught myself the chemistry, software, and hardware involved in peptide analytics. My computer science background allowed me to build my own website and online platform. I spent my days working two remote software engineering jobs and my nights building the business.
Using Finnrick’s rankings, I cold-emailed nearly every U.S. vendor on their list with the promise of a modern, easy-to-use online system supported by much-needed personal service.
After weeks of struggles, clients began slowly trickling in. Yes, the original address I posted was a virtual address, but more importantly, it was a commercial mailing address where I could securely receive samples. I’m not sure why this has become such a contentious topic. Many companies begin in their founders’ homes, and virtual commercial addresses exist specifically to support businesses in that stage of growth.
My clients appreciated the level of customer service I provided, as well as the quality of our testing. I’m also not sure why anyone would believe that multimillion-dollar companies would entrust their samples to a laboratory without first conducting proper vetting.
Regardless, our clientele grew to the point that I was able to leave my career behind and dedicate my full attention to Kovera.
We currently operate from a leased 3,100-square-foot facility in Buffalo Grove, Illinois. The space is divided into three primary sections. The first contains formal offices, a reception area, and a waiting area. The second is our main laboratory, while the final third is dedicated to receiving and dock operations.
I have had to scale the business rapidly, which has sometimes meant moving into spaces that were not yet formally renovated or completely ready for us. Growth requires flexibility and the ability to adapt to setbacks as they occur.
The “darkness” surrounding Kovera is not because I believe we have something to hide. It comes from my respect for professionalism and my desire to put our best foot forward.
I have seen laboratories publish tours showing customers’ samples stored in Ziploc bags. I would personally be embarrassed to publicize that level of unreadiness, and I shudder to think about the condition of the rest of an operation presented that way.
I grew this business from a single Agilent HPLC system that I could barely afford into a laboratory equipped with eight HPLC systems, two LC-MS systems, an ICP-MS, a BACT/ALERT sterility system, six Charles River Endosafe readers, and additional analytical equipment that continues to expand our testing capabilities. I am investing in a Nexus 200 ($200K) which will facilitate endotoxin testing along with $150K in official lab casework (cabinets and shelving). Everything we've earned continues to be re-invested back into the lab and shortly, we will be open to the public.
Our newest LC-MS system is an Agilent 6546 Q-TOF. I made it a specific goal to acquire this instrument because it allows us to perform comprehensive sample scans and gain a deeper understanding of potential impurities that may be present.
As a researcher myself, I appreciate what peptides have done for my health. I also understand the importance of knowing exactly what we are working with.
Regards,
Aj
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@gym.rat “Self-explanatory”? I don’t understand what is supposedly so concerning. Is the vial insert the object that concerns you? It is simply an insert placed inside the vial to facilitate injection while minimizing excess sample waste.
I’m not here to convince anyone. I’m here to provide context for any researchers who may come across this thread.
Competition breeds innovation. Freedom Labs recently announced that it will begin accepting online submissions, and Vanguard has finally moved to online COA verification.
I took out a high-interest loan because I believed there was a need for a modern laboratory in this space. It was clear to me that the industry had remained stagnant. With that loan, I purchased my first HPLC system.
Working out of my basement, I taught myself the chemistry, software, and hardware involved in peptide analytics. My computer science background allowed me to build my own website and online platform. I spent my days working two remote software engineering jobs and my nights building the business.
Using Finnrick’s rankings, I cold-emailed nearly every U.S. vendor on their list with the promise of a modern, easy-to-use online system supported by much-needed personal service.
After weeks of struggles, clients began slowly trickling in. Yes, the original address I posted was a virtual address, but more importantly, it was a commercial mailing address where I could securely receive samples. I’m not sure why this has become such a contentious topic. Many companies begin in their founders’ homes, and virtual commercial addresses exist specifically to support businesses in that stage of growth.
My clients appreciated the level of customer service I provided, as well as the quality of our testing. I’m also not sure why anyone would believe that multimillion-dollar companies would entrust their samples to a laboratory without first conducting proper vetting.
Regardless, our clientele grew to the point that I was able to leave my career behind and dedicate my full attention to Kovera.
We currently operate from a leased 3,100-square-foot facility in Buffalo Grove, Illinois. The space is divided into three primary sections. The first contains formal offices, a reception area, and a waiting area. The second is our main laboratory, while the final third is dedicated to receiving and dock operations.
I have had to scale the business rapidly, which has sometimes meant moving into spaces that were not yet formally renovated or completely ready for us. Growth requires flexibility and the ability to adapt to setbacks as they occur.
The “darkness” surrounding Kovera is not because I believe we have something to hide. It comes from my respect for professionalism and my desire to put our best foot forward.
I have seen laboratories publish tours showing customers’ samples stored in Ziploc bags. I would personally be embarrassed to publicize that level of unreadiness, and I shudder to think about the condition of the rest of an operation presented that way.
I grew this business from a single Agilent HPLC system that I could barely afford into a laboratory equipped with eight HPLC systems, two LC-MS systems, an ICP-MS, a BACT/ALERT sterility system, six Charles River Endosafe readers, and additional analytical equipment that continues to expand our testing capabilities. I am investing in a Nexus 200 ($200K) which will facilitate endotoxin testing along with $150K in official lab casework (cabinets and shelving). Everything we've earned continues to be re-invested back into the lab and shortly, we will be open to the public.
Our newest LC-MS system is an Agilent 6546 Q-TOF. I made it a specific goal to acquire this instrument because it allows us to perform comprehensive sample scans and gain a deeper understanding of potential impurities that may be present.
As a researcher myself, I appreciate what peptides have done for my health. I also understand the importance of knowing exactly what we are working with.
Regards,
Aj @user_12968
Here is my main problem… You don’t reply to emails and they is no way to get in touch with anyone at your company. I also used the “correct” button under the COA section because you put my email address on the COA and I wanted it removed. That was never fixed. I was going to start using your company because I think your portal is great. You had a decent turn around time. But 4 emails and no reply… not so good. A company has to have a way for their customers to get in touch with them.
on the other hand they are the only one i know that can verify Eloralintide right now
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