@Randy Kinda the message I am trying to portray, but I appreciate you

@denti Very valid statement, and I appreciate the honesty and proffessionalism and also understanding, I dont think it ever hurts to ask more people what they prefer and thats what this comes from

I also understand you guys are very vanguard heavy in preference, which is also why I ask these things, because again there is alos a very LARGE part of the community that love freedom, through and through, so that's why I come on here and ask

@Stevepep We don’t cut corners. Freedom costs us more than Vanguard would, so this was never about saving money. I get that some people here don’t like Freedom, but that’s not the same as us cutting corners.

if we were cutting corners, why would we come on here and make ourselves so open about what we do, what you're accusing us of is just wrong

I hear you, @stevepep

When we first joined this site, nearly every lab we used drew criticism. We moved to Freedom, and apart from some members here on Peptide Critic, the feedback has been very positive. We’re still a young company and still going through growing pains, but we stand behind the quality of what we ship.

Every lab makes mistakes, and that includes Freedom and Vanguard. I noticed you were asking about Vanguard’s issues in another thread too. Hundreds of peptide companies use Freedom, which suggests they’re getting a lot right. Their customer service and response times have also been excellent, which hasn’t been our experience with Vanguard.

That doesn’t mean we’ll stay with Freedom forever. If the data tells us to switch, we will. I am not trying to convince you guys of anything, just being honest with what we are doing and why, and all it is met with is harsh criticism, at the end of the day, every lab is only as good as the trust any individual researcher has in it, I will look into places like trustpoint, but Vanguard has made it horrible in every fashion to work with

We have had only 4 tests every fail with Vanguard, we sent 2/4 of those items to freedom to compare, yet you guys also push aside the fact those results were also within 3% variance from lab to lab

That being said, we are ALWAYS trying to improve, I will leave it at that on my end whether or not you want to believe that I respect your decision and opinion

yeesh, check out for some deals coming and we may get close, but I dont know about beating that

@mikebricker We also have great kit pricing:)

@BeeKind Sounds good, I hope you have a great day, at the end of the day we are doing what we can whether or not it seems that way

I respect what you have to say, even if I don't agree with it

@BeeKind Bee it has nothing to do with planning or patience, it has to due with margins, we run a low margin business, to keep things affordable, if we were running prices like most other places we would have absolutely no difficulty ordering a month ahead of time, but no lab regardless of that should take a month to release a COA

@BeeKind I just am curious as to where you guys are getting the "cheap" route from, because 7x testing from both vanguard and freedom diagnostics is actually almost identical in price, with freedom coming in slightly higher, as I have said I understand and respect where you guys are coming from,

As far as the 14 day timeline on sterility, yes you are correct, that's 14 total days, not business days, the 19 business days of time it took actually equated to approximately 28 actual days

I am not ruling out vanguard in its entirety at all, and by no means am I ignoring your feedback, I am trying to be transparent in what we are trying to do at both quality and being able to keep things stocked

We don't operate at margins that most other companies that can plan a month ahead in terms of product, and again, there is no "cheap" in our testing cost, a 7x test from freedom cost $750 per test, and I am not asking you guys to take a step-back on your opinion, but asking you to understand where we are coming from

Whether or not you guys like freedom, does not discredit the fact they are a qualified lab, and as we have seen with the Eloralintide fiasco, ALL labs are just people that state they are qualified and can and will mess up simply

Again if you choose to move away from us until we can manage to test with Vanguard full time, I respect your decision and at the end of the day I can't do anything to convince, or would want to, you are all your own researchers, at the end of the day we are doing what we can to keep things, safe, available, and affordable

There are negative reports from EVERY single lab, whether or not we want to take it to heart and apply it is up to each individual person, I have talked to countless owners and price tools that completely disregard Vanguard as a high-end lab establishment, while others love, and other who live and die by Freedom, at the end of the day we are doing what we can

@mikebricker Thank you boss man, I appreciate the understanding and help, we have no problem looking on other places for testing at all

@brentlong Thank you Brent, we appreciate you!

@Stevepep We've talked here before about why moving away from a lab like Vanguard is a tough call, and the concerns you all raised are completely fair.

That said, a lot of you were also critical of Vanguard when they made their mistake on the Eloralintide testing. It's a good reminder that no lab is 100% perfect or reliable.

Everyone has their preferred lab, and we respect that. But on the one batch we sent them, it took Vanguard 19 business days to deliver our full 7x COA. We wanted it to work, and we talked it through with them directly, but between the testing time and how long it took to go from error to fix, we just can't run our releases on that timeline.

We have 2 COAs from Vanguard, the burn blend capsules, and our domestic glutathione, that they (months ago), placed under the exact same lab ID, we have brought this up, due to multiple customer complaints, and still nothing has been changed or adjusted, and again the first of the 2 COAs, date back to 8/17

While I understand and support you guys making the decision to not buy from us due to testing, although these are all qualified labs, the experiences we have had on top of testing times and lack of fixes are just a combination of things that make it horrible to deal with on our end, and when things like this happen, how do we know things aren't being mistranslated or mis-typed etc

@cecilwebbjr

@pep_researcher Yes sir, we plan on adding 7x testing to all FUTURE batches, youll see them, slowly start to pop up more and more

@montemontemayor Thank you so much Monte, you have been an amazing researcher for us:)

@brentlong Thank you for your trust brent:) we appreciate you

@josverastegui hey boss, our site is studzpeptides.com if you were referring to us!

@robertghiringhelli Thank you Robert, this means the world!

@denti you can stack peptidecritic, he gets commission just no more furhter stackable discounts