Nexaph CJC/Ipa Test Results - A Lot Lower Than Janoshik’s
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@Commander unfortunately theres now too much money at stake in it. I know a guy running a small shop. and if his numbers are a tenth of what they are up to being a bigger company. a couple bad tests on the forum can screw with hundreds of thousands of dollars very quickly.
@quicksilver80
I completely agree. But people take posting those results as bad. Those results aren’t bad at all. The bad thing is they differ very much from Janoshik’s.
My worry is why do we have two different test results? Is Freedom off, is Janoshik off or is this just one odd ball vial. We really should get to the bottom of this if we are going to trust any test results at all, otherwise we are flying blind.
What if Freedom’s test results are bad? If thst is the case we wouldn’t want people to keep sending in and paying for tests that aren’t valid would we?
These results only reassure me that I am getting good product from Nexaph. I will always buy from them.
BUT a huge red flag was how quick they booted me from the SNP group for posting those test results and they were very aggressive in telling me how Janoshik is the Gold Standard in testing me and that is the entire peptide community’s opinion. How would they know what the entire peptide community thinks? Especially if they censor it…
I Inspect What I Expect, I have no bias. I share what I find good or bad. For what it is worth, I hate finding contradictory stuff. When I do, I am faced with should I share my findings and face a ton of people arguing me about them. Or keep everything I find out just for me and my friends. It actually sucks.. -
@commander Damn, it’s on fire today. I don’t go there every day but it is a rolling dumpster fire.
@ResearchCat
Yep, they are pissed I posted them. I also posted them on STG.
I am sure SNP probably deleted everything I posted…
Censorship. Lets burn some books!!! -
@quicksilver80
I completely agree. But people take posting those results as bad. Those results aren’t bad at all. The bad thing is they differ very much from Janoshik’s.
My worry is why do we have two different test results? Is Freedom off, is Janoshik off or is this just one odd ball vial. We really should get to the bottom of this if we are going to trust any test results at all, otherwise we are flying blind.
What if Freedom’s test results are bad? If thst is the case we wouldn’t want people to keep sending in and paying for tests that aren’t valid would we?
These results only reassure me that I am getting good product from Nexaph. I will always buy from them.
BUT a huge red flag was how quick they booted me from the SNP group for posting those test results and they were very aggressive in telling me how Janoshik is the Gold Standard in testing me and that is the entire peptide community’s opinion. How would they know what the entire peptide community thinks? Especially if they censor it…
I Inspect What I Expect, I have no bias. I share what I find good or bad. For what it is worth, I hate finding contradictory stuff. When I do, I am faced with should I share my findings and face a ton of people arguing me about them. Or keep everything I find out just for me and my friends. It actually sucks..@Commander could be vial to vial. could be transport to and from. could be the time it takes from point a to point b you and then to point c. different temps from where janoshik is to freedom. etc. i mean were talking about relatively unstable lypo powders here. say a .5 percent discrepancy over probably 10000 vials in a batch test isnt bad but also isnt terrible either.
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@Commander could be vial to vial. could be transport to and from. could be the time it takes from point a to point b you and then to point c. different temps from where janoshik is to freedom. etc. i mean were talking about relatively unstable lypo powders here. say a .5 percent discrepancy over probably 10000 vials in a batch test isnt bad but also isnt terrible either.
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Them booting you from the snp group should tell you all you want to know, regardless of any testing. Time to move on. Looks like STG did.
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Them booting you from the snp group should tell you all you want to know, regardless of any testing. Time to move on. Looks like STG did.
@kj4otu
I think you are right. A shame, I like Nexaph products. But their behavior in this matter is very troubling. The worse part, I didn’t ask for any money back, any credit or anything. I am not even using the CJC/Ipa, I don’t like it. I was simply asking to get to the bottom of this difference. -
What is SNP?
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@quicksilver80
It is WAY more than 5%, it is 20%. 5% isn’t bad at all, that is kind of what I was expecting, not 20%.
Again, I love Nexaph products. My concern is the testing process.@Commander oh lord. i rescind my previous comment haha.
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@randy
I didn’t know where to put this post because there is no test results Category. So please move this to wherever it belongs.I sent out a Vial of Nexaph CJC/IPA to be tested at Freedom. It tested a lot lower than what Janoshik tested it at (for mass).
I always wondered why Nexaph would send their stuff overseas to Janoshik to be tested if they are here in the USA. Plus the vendor sponsored 3rd party test results also get sent to Janoshik. That didn’t sit well with me. So I sent a vial out myself. This is a big discrepancy in mass. Where it really makes a difference is for everyone using the numbers from the batch test results to figure out their recon dosage (I go by whatever the claimed bottle MG is, not the test results also).
I know there can be some variation from test lab to test lab, but if you compare these test results, they are off by a decent %.
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@Commander How much did it cost for a test performed by Freedom?
@ricoadams
$225 -
What is SNP?
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And I just got this in Telemess… Makes me wonder wjat is going on. I am new to these boards and Telemess, but just being new doesn’t mean, don’t share what you found - or does it?
@Commander STG is a cabal of sorts. Cain didnt want to play ball with them. Thats the short version. They keep plenty of vendors on their spreadsheet that have done egregious stuff. Good spot to browse for info either way
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@randy
I didn’t know where to put this post because there is no test results Category. So please move this to wherever it belongs.I sent out a Vial of Nexaph CJC/IPA to be tested at Freedom. It tested a lot lower than what Janoshik tested it at (for mass).
I always wondered why Nexaph would send their stuff overseas to Janoshik to be tested if they are here in the USA. Plus the vendor sponsored 3rd party test results also get sent to Janoshik. That didn’t sit well with me. So I sent a vial out myself. This is a big discrepancy in mass. Where it really makes a difference is for everyone using the numbers from the batch test results to figure out their recon dosage (I go by whatever the claimed bottle MG is, not the test results also).
I know there can be some variation from test lab to test lab, but if you compare these test results, they are off by a decent %.
@Commander Jano has been around the longest and some people just prefer it for that reason. Jano is notorious for showing higher numbers than other labs. I've consistently seen +/-10% differences between some labs. I've also seen jano test the same batch a week apart and have a 10% difference with 3 bottles each for both tests.
If nexaph or any other vendor was sending samples to another lab the results would likely vary.
you are doing the right thing here by not blindly trusting vendor and vendor sponsored testing.
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@Commander Jano has been around the longest and some people just prefer it for that reason. Jano is notorious for showing higher numbers than other labs. I've consistently seen +/-10% differences between some labs. I've also seen jano test the same batch a week apart and have a 10% difference with 3 bottles each for both tests.
If nexaph or any other vendor was sending samples to another lab the results would likely vary.
you are doing the right thing here by not blindly trusting vendor and vendor sponsored testing.
@Randy
10% up or down is actually what I was expecting. I am not good at match, but I think this test is about 40+% difference. Someone said it was 142% different. Again, I am not good at math, but that seems high.
I will also say it again. Even the numbers that the Freedom test came back with I am fine with, I will still order from Nexaph. I just don’t like the inconsistency with the lab results. I think that is a lab problem. I used Feedom because I found their info on this site and they are in the USA.
I would love to get to the bottom of why there is such a big difference in the numbers. But sadly I have come to the conclusion that it is not worth the effort and there are better things for me to spend my money on…
The next batch of my peptides I send for testing I will use one of the other labs you have listed on this site. I definitely won’t be posting those results. But you have said time and time again on here, test your stuff. I think that is the best advice. Everyone needs to actually spend their money and have their own stuff tested. Then they can decide if the trust the stuff or not. -
The SNP Telegram group just booted me for posting those results.
I am starting to realize that too many people in these Telegram groups and boards have a vested interest not to have clear transparent information out there. I mean arguing with me about a test report is crazy.
It is simple, we always say test your peptides, but why would we do that if we simply didn’t believe the results that we got or didn’t share them. It is more like- only tell us if it is favorable to us, otherwise keep your mouth shut or we will ban you or try to discredit you.
The peptide space unfortunately is not an unbias place and too many people have a steak in the game…@Commander You were not booted for your questions or your concerns, you were booted for insulting people who did not agree with you. ALL of your posts are all still there. I was there and watching and reading. I understood your concerns but you did not have to insult people when they did not share your outrage. You wanted others to share your view and when they didn't you insulted them. That was the line you crossed and it got you booted.
I agree that your results are interesting and show an underfill. I don't take vendor COA showing overfill as gospel truth. I try to average as many test results as possible. But your test is still just one vial out of possibly 1000's.
Any of my kits can have that range of fill. I understand that about grey.
I feel like what you want is an answer from Cain. So reach out to Cain.
But insulting people because they don't side with you doesn't help your cause. -
@Randy
10% up or down is actually what I was expecting. I am not good at match, but I think this test is about 40+% difference. Someone said it was 142% different. Again, I am not good at math, but that seems high.
I will also say it again. Even the numbers that the Freedom test came back with I am fine with, I will still order from Nexaph. I just don’t like the inconsistency with the lab results. I think that is a lab problem. I used Feedom because I found their info on this site and they are in the USA.
I would love to get to the bottom of why there is such a big difference in the numbers. But sadly I have come to the conclusion that it is not worth the effort and there are better things for me to spend my money on…
The next batch of my peptides I send for testing I will use one of the other labs you have listed on this site. I definitely won’t be posting those results. But you have said time and time again on here, test your stuff. I think that is the best advice. Everyone needs to actually spend their money and have their own stuff tested. Then they can decide if the trust the stuff or not.@Commander If I had unlimited resources I would send use a whole kit and send one vial to each lab and compare all the results. It is my understanding that due to lab differences it would be nearly impossible for them to all match. But it would be very interesting to see head to head results all from the same kit.
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@Commander You were not booted for your questions or your concerns, you were booted for insulting people who did not agree with you. ALL of your posts are all still there. I was there and watching and reading. I understood your concerns but you did not have to insult people when they did not share your outrage. You wanted others to share your view and when they didn't you insulted them. That was the line you crossed and it got you booted.
I agree that your results are interesting and show an underfill. I don't take vendor COA showing overfill as gospel truth. I try to average as many test results as possible. But your test is still just one vial out of possibly 1000's.
Any of my kits can have that range of fill. I understand that about grey.
I feel like what you want is an answer from Cain. So reach out to Cain.
But insulting people because they don't side with you doesn't help your cause.@burner1
They were insulting me. I asked questions. Like How do you come up with “the entire peptide community says Janoshik is the gold standard”
That is the equivalent of when someone says “they always say that”, I always ask who “they are”, never once got an answer. Too many people just repeat stuff they here on the internet, once it repeated so many times people think it is true. I never accept that. They were very aggressive to me I think Janoshik and Nexaph are bad. I never said one time Nexaph was bad. I said there, I say at Peepy’s and I say here, I love the Nexaph products.
My concern is the variation in lab reports… Freedom is listed on this site. That is why I used them. -
@Commander If I had unlimited resources I would send use a whole kit and send one vial to each lab and compare all the results. It is my understanding that due to lab differences it would be nearly impossible for them to all match. But it would be very interesting to see head to head results all from the same kit.
@commander @burner1 two pick a compound (no ss31). ill order it and get mass/purity from four labs. GLP or bpc would be my vote
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