Bacteriostatic Water
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@Neil-McCauley
I had JUST WROTE a reply to this test on the original thread. Here is the info I was able to find:.8+BA% after 120 days?!?!?
According to AI:
Benzyl Alcohol stops being reliably antimicrobial once you drop below .5% and you don't start to see "real world growth" until .3%.I'd be interested to see this study carried out until there is evidence of actual growth in each bottle.
@Stan-Douglas Correct! That would be the real proof of number of days of true validity.
Otherwise social media has number of days all over the place, some throw away at 28, some at 30, some at 60, some 90. Some say they use it till the last drop and haven't seen any recon problems or problems in their rats.
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@Neil-McCauley said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@MyB said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Randy posted Hospira test results somewhere here. At 120 days it feel off the cliff.
https://community.peptidecritic.com/post/4935No, after 90 days it falls off a cliff
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Yeah, then someone from this community must have posted this graph on Reddit. As that was the exact graph. LOL
The cliff though FEELS like a cliff because the graph is plotted on a high resolution Y axis.
The peptide testing labs have acceptable range of benzyl alcohol 0.72-1.08% to pass or fail a BAC.
Even at 120 days Hospira BAC holds 0.84% BA which is well within the acceptable range. Also note that it did not start at 0.9% on day 0, and degradation if any was very slow and tiny.
That is the point I'm trying to emphasize that 90 days is not a magic number. Even at 120 days, the benzyl alcohol content holds good per testing lab standards.
@pep_researcher said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@Neil-McCauley said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@MyB said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Randy posted Hospira test results somewhere here. At 120 days it feel off the cliff.
https://community.peptidecritic.com/post/4935No, after 90 days it falls off a cliff
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Yeah, then someone from this community must have posted this graph on Reddit. As that was the exact graph. LOL
The cliff though FEELS like a cliff because the graph is plotted on a high resolution Y axis.
The peptide testing labs have acceptable range of benzyl alcohol 0.72-1.08% to pass or fail a BAC.
Even at 120 days Hospira BAC holds 0.84% BA which is well within the acceptable range. Also note that it did not start at 0.9% on day 0, and degradation if any was very slow and tiny.
That is the point I'm trying to emphasize that 90 days is not a magic number. Even at 120 days, the benzyl alcohol content holds good per testing lab standards.
Thanks for the response. That's definitely reassuring. Bac water is something I've always been extra careful/paranoid about with my rat. Those throwing it away at 30/60 days are definitely wasting it. I think in a pinch you could extend it out to 120 days. I've never needed to, and 90 is me being extra cautious while simultaneously not being overly wasteful and paranoid, just a common sense middle ground.
I'm not running a multi-million dollar laboratory over here, but I'm certainly not running some 3rd world cheap lab, I do have resources so the idea of stretching out something as cheap as bac water down to the last drop always seemed like an unnecessary risk.
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@pep_researcher said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@Neil-McCauley said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@MyB said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Randy posted Hospira test results somewhere here. At 120 days it feel off the cliff.
https://community.peptidecritic.com/post/4935No, after 90 days it falls off a cliff
(
Yeah, then someone from this community must have posted this graph on Reddit. As that was the exact graph. LOL
The cliff though FEELS like a cliff because the graph is plotted on a high resolution Y axis.
The peptide testing labs have acceptable range of benzyl alcohol 0.72-1.08% to pass or fail a BAC.
Even at 120 days Hospira BAC holds 0.84% BA which is well within the acceptable range. Also note that it did not start at 0.9% on day 0, and degradation if any was very slow and tiny.
That is the point I'm trying to emphasize that 90 days is not a magic number. Even at 120 days, the benzyl alcohol content holds good per testing lab standards.
Thanks for the response. That's definitely reassuring. Bac water is something I've always been extra careful/paranoid about with my rat. Those throwing it away at 30/60 days are definitely wasting it. I think in a pinch you could extend it out to 120 days. I've never needed to, and 90 is me being extra cautious while simultaneously not being overly wasteful and paranoid, just a common sense middle ground.
I'm not running a multi-million dollar laboratory over here, but I'm certainly not running some 3rd world cheap lab, I do have resources so the idea of stretching out something as cheap as bac water down to the last drop always seemed like an unnecessary risk.
@Neil-McCauley Agreed. The only pinch researchers feel is when there is a shortage or regulators hounding RUO space throttling all supplies.
That's when one gets thinking what am I going to with all these lyophilized vials without BAC water to recon? Then instead of buying random BAC from Amazon, it feels alright to stretch Hospira BAC vial to make supplies last long.
It comes down to availability vs risk assessment more than cost.
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@pep_researcher said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@Neil-McCauley said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@MyB said in Bacteriostatic Water:
@pep_researcher Randy posted Hospira test results somewhere here. At 120 days it feel off the cliff.
https://community.peptidecritic.com/post/4935No, after 90 days it falls off a cliff
(
Yeah, then someone from this community must have posted this graph on Reddit. As that was the exact graph. LOL
The cliff though FEELS like a cliff because the graph is plotted on a high resolution Y axis.
The peptide testing labs have acceptable range of benzyl alcohol 0.72-1.08% to pass or fail a BAC.
Even at 120 days Hospira BAC holds 0.84% BA which is well within the acceptable range. Also note that it did not start at 0.9% on day 0, and degradation if any was very slow and tiny.
That is the point I'm trying to emphasize that 90 days is not a magic number. Even at 120 days, the benzyl alcohol content holds good per testing lab standards.
Thanks for the response. That's definitely reassuring. Bac water is something I've always been extra careful/paranoid about with my rat. Those throwing it away at 30/60 days are definitely wasting it. I think in a pinch you could extend it out to 120 days. I've never needed to, and 90 is me being extra cautious while simultaneously not being overly wasteful and paranoid, just a common sense middle ground.
I'm not running a multi-million dollar laboratory over here, but I'm certainly not running some 3rd world cheap lab, I do have resources so the idea of stretching out something as cheap as bac water down to the last drop always seemed like an unnecessary risk.
@Neil-McCauley Nevertheless, I personally have kept enough stock of Hospira, but since I don't stack a lot of peps at the same time, my usage is usually very tiny, so I do tend to stretch an open vial much longer.
That was also the reason I went down the rabbit hole of finding the truth behind all these numbers, 30, 60, 90, 120 days etc, to assess the risk behind my own practices. Hehe
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@marco1 Mounjaro or Zepbound single dose pens or vials have no preservatives. That's why they are strongly advised to not split like so many YouTube videos demo to save cost or custom dosing. People sometimes do it anyway and add Hospira BAC water to extracted fat juice.
The multidose KwikPens or multidose vials (in the future) would have preservative like BAC water.
I was referring to the Multidose Kwikpens. That's what i've been using for the past 2 years. (I split my time in EU/US so I got the EU kwikpen)
I reconstitute my animals peps and store them into a pen. The pen travels with me a lot and i wanted to make them more temperature resistant by looking at how eli lilly does that. They seem to add PH buffers (although retatrutide likes to be lower PH than tirzepetide) and use Metacresol as preservative.
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@wisgal64
Unfortunately, SOLD OUT! I'm cryin'.
https://peptidetest.com/products/pfizer-hospira-bacteriostatic-water-30ml-vial?_pos=19&_sid=a87777b51&_ss=r -
Sorry @wisgal64 Should I not have posted the link?
Simple Peptides is the $30, 30ml vial. Yikes. -
I'm not sure how many are aware of this, so I'll share some info I learned about the Gold Standard Bac.
To check it's legitimacy, each and every bottle has a QR code on the metal ring.
So if you are contemplating purchasing or have purchased from any site that is marketing it, you know what to look for when you receive the order.
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Out of curiosity, has anyone considered making your own Bac water? I've seen a few posts on it out on the web of people mixing their own.
@THammil said in Bacteriostatic Water:
Out of curiosity, has anyone considered making your own Bac water? I've seen a few posts on it out on the web of people mixing their own.
Yup I've thought and gone in the rabbit hole too:
- Get sterile water for injection, Hospira or any pharma grade brand, usually no shortage drama for these.
- Get USP grade pure benzyl alcohol, available on medical supply sites easily and even on Amazon.
- For each 10ml of sterile water inject 10 units (0.1ml) of benzyl alcohol. That gives you 0.99% BA BAC (0.1 / 10.1 × 100)
In fact according to the LLM apps, sterile water for irrigation is as good as SWF injections as their prep procedure is the same. Irrigation one is easily available on Amazon or other sites but comes in sealed bottles not vials.
There's too much hype of Hospira BAC. The entire European pep community survives on sterile water.
Having said that, I usually keep enough of H BAC stock. This deep dive was for backup plans.
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@THammil said in Bacteriostatic Water:
Out of curiosity, has anyone considered making your own Bac water? I've seen a few posts on it out on the web of people mixing their own.
Yup I've thought and gone in the rabbit hole too:
- Get sterile water for injection, Hospira or any pharma grade brand, usually no shortage drama for these.
- Get USP grade pure benzyl alcohol, available on medical supply sites easily and even on Amazon.
- For each 10ml of sterile water inject 10 units (0.1ml) of benzyl alcohol. That gives you 0.99% BA BAC (0.1 / 10.1 × 100)
In fact according to the LLM apps, sterile water for irrigation is as good as SWF injections as their prep procedure is the same. Irrigation one is easily available on Amazon or other sites but comes in sealed bottles not vials.
There's too much hype of Hospira BAC. The entire European pep community survives on sterile water.
Having said that, I usually keep enough of H BAC stock. This deep dive was for backup plans.
@pep_researcher
I keep wondering the same thing, especially after watching that YouTube vid where he talks about the whole of Europe only using sterile water.
I mean we’re all reconstituting different peps to different strengths and sticking them in our rats guts with needles - surely we can put a bit of alcohol in a bottle of water?This current scarcity of BAC
and paying $2-300 for a 1/3 of a litre of fucking water is insane.Or is there something I’m missing and Hospital has some magic jungle juice in it too?
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@pep_researcher (Speaking in Gen-X): Hose water.
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@statieeight It’s way outside my wheelhouse, but my uncle was in the hospital for several months after a fall last winter. If you want to suffer sticker shock, watch how much gear the ICU nurses burn through in 5-10 minutes while administering morning meds to a patient.
They followed all the right processes, but man, do they throw away a lot of gear. They never use the same syringe to push meds twice.
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Also, (sorry, still can’t edit posts on my ipad) wrt Europe and safety, I keep reading all these shock scare stories about ‘not FDA approved, unsafe’ peptides from China, and I am not suggesting people don’t practice proper care and due diligence, but I am not seeing any stories about people dying from peptides.
Given how opposed to peptides the medical industrial complex is, and how in bed with them the FDA is, you’d think that every available story to that effect would be front page news. Instead, the Wall Street Journal is running front page looksmaxxing stories and their readers are clutching pearls over ripped twinks.
Yeah, well, I’m just here for the research, man. - The Dude
If I haven’t liked your post, no offense. I have exceeded my daily allowance.
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Also, (sorry, still can’t edit posts on my ipad) wrt Europe and safety, I keep reading all these shock scare stories about ‘not FDA approved, unsafe’ peptides from China, and I am not suggesting people don’t practice proper care and due diligence, but I am not seeing any stories about people dying from peptides.
Given how opposed to peptides the medical industrial complex is, and how in bed with them the FDA is, you’d think that every available story to that effect would be front page news. Instead, the Wall Street Journal is running front page looksmaxxing stories and their readers are clutching pearls over ripped twinks.
@ResearchCat said in Bacteriostatic Water:
Also, (sorry, still can’t edit posts on my ipad) wrt Europe and safety, I keep reading all these shock scare stories about ‘not FDA approved, unsafe’ peptides from China, and I am not suggesting people don’t practice proper care and due diligence, but I am not seeing any stories about people dying from peptides.
Given how opposed to peptides the medical industrial complex is, and how in bed with them the FDA is, you’d think that every available story to that effect would be front page news. Instead, the Wall Street Journal is running front page looksmaxxing stories and their readers are clutching pearls over ripped twinks.
They only cherry pick extreme cases and run clickbaits with them all over the social media. But if it's about finding cat hair in Novo's Wegovy pens, IN THE SUPPLY CHAIN, it's all hushed up.
Freaking Demon Agents or Freaking Double Agents
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I have no problem with Rosie using bac past 30 days, but I'm confused a bit. Bac "should be stored in a cool, dry place" BEFORE opening, yes? After puncture, doesn't it go in the fridge? Same as Tesmorelin? I can't possibly use 30ml in 30 days; would like to push it out 60-90 days. Suggestions? (I'm still reading all the posts here. Be patient with my newbieness.)
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I have no problem with Rosie using bac past 30 days, but I'm confused a bit. Bac "should be stored in a cool, dry place" BEFORE opening, yes? After puncture, doesn't it go in the fridge? Same as Tesmorelin? I can't possibly use 30ml in 30 days; would like to push it out 60-90 days. Suggestions? (I'm still reading all the posts here. Be patient with my newbieness.)
@Eleanor I believe unrefridgerated up to 90 days while using. Exp. date on bottle if unopened.
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