Mots-c dosing
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@eurouser Interesting I was doing 2mg a day and getting a nice ISR but dealt with it. I have had noticeable physical fitness results running. My sprint times have gotten noticeably better. I just switched yesterday to saline BAC, and it made a massive difference in my last two shots no ISR at all. A little itchy feeling for a couple of minutes but thats it. I am thinking about reducing it to 1mg a day. I can't see taking 4-5mg at one time
@Stevepep what exact differences did you notice with sprinting? i'm really interested in that as i am planning on getting back to sprinting once i lose the remaining 20lbs.
One thing that helped my rat with ISR btw was to wait a second after every 2 clicks. Say total pin dosage is 10 units, he would pause 5 times. It made ISR almost completely gone (only using normal BAC water)
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@Stevepep what exact differences did you notice with sprinting? i'm really interested in that as i am planning on getting back to sprinting once i lose the remaining 20lbs.
One thing that helped my rat with ISR btw was to wait a second after every 2 clicks. Say total pin dosage is 10 units, he would pause 5 times. It made ISR almost completely gone (only using normal BAC water)
@eurouser Its an interesting thing I am associating with the Stack of SS31, NAD and Mots. I was running 4 miles at about 7:30 per mile without a sprint at the end. I do this 4x per week and lift heavy the other 3 days. I am now running 7:12 minute miles for 3 miles and sprint the last mile and I am getting just over a 6 minute mile on that last mile. When I do this on the treadm1ll I am running 3 miles at 8.5 to 9 and then last at 12. Its pretty crazy. I am in my mid 50's. I literally never had the energy to even think about sprinting at the end. One other thing I added was branched cyclic dextrin. @bfuller turned me on to it for high stress workouts. I think it has helped a lot as well. I feel fully recovered after I workout and I had high Estrogen in my monthly bloodwork, which is an indicator of lack of recovery. My estrogen levels are now Optimum.
In terms of sprinting I run 1/4miles on the treadmill at 15 which takes a minute and then walk for one minutes and do it again. 4x. I typically do this once a week after lifting. This is excellent heart exercise, with peaks and valleys.
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@jackiee I'd never heard of it before but found some here...
https://www.mountainside-medical.com/products/bacteriostatic-sodium-chloride-0-9-vial-10-ml -
@eurouser Its an interesting thing I am associating with the Stack of SS31, NAD and Mots. I was running 4 miles at about 7:30 per mile without a sprint at the end. I do this 4x per week and lift heavy the other 3 days. I am now running 7:12 minute miles for 3 miles and sprint the last mile and I am getting just over a 6 minute mile on that last mile. When I do this on the treadm1ll I am running 3 miles at 8.5 to 9 and then last at 12. Its pretty crazy. I am in my mid 50's. I literally never had the energy to even think about sprinting at the end. One other thing I added was branched cyclic dextrin. @bfuller turned me on to it for high stress workouts. I think it has helped a lot as well. I feel fully recovered after I workout and I had high Estrogen in my monthly bloodwork, which is an indicator of lack of recovery. My estrogen levels are now Optimum.
In terms of sprinting I run 1/4miles on the treadmill at 15 which takes a minute and then walk for one minutes and do it again. 4x. I typically do this once a week after lifting. This is excellent heart exercise, with peaks and valleys.
@Stevepep oh i see, you mean the "final sprint" at the end of the run not sprinting as a sport. In any case, i had the same results in that regard, as in, huge benefit in the higher heart rate zones. At your age, if you are running 7:12 for 3 miles, that means your heart rate is already around 170 minimum at the end of those three miles, so the fact that you can get to a 6 minute pace on the last mile is exactly zone 5 training which you are holding for much longer than "considered normal".
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3-5mg subcutaneous, 1–3× per week. 4–6 weeks on, 2–4 weeks off. Morning dosing, typically 60–90 min before exercise.
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What are your thoughts on MOTS-C now? Is it worth the money and the risk?
If yes, are you using it regularly or cycling?@mmp Not sure if your question was for me, but for me personally it helped me a lot. Using it in conjunction with a GLP-1, L-Carnitine, NAD+ and SS-31, gave me the necessary energy for my workouts. Over the last 30+ years, I didn't lead that healthy of a lifestyle, so when I started to learn about the possible metabolic improvement benefits of MOTS-c and had to give it a try. Now for someone that is younger and lives a pretty healthy lifestyle, you probably won't see much benefit from MOTS-c. But my last cycle for this stack I ran for 12 weeks.
SS-31 runs daily through week 8; after that, continue daily while the response is still building or move to 2–3× weekly once stable. Maintenance protocols pulse MOTS-c alongside NAD+ at 100–250 mg total weekly. MOTS-c enters in week 2 once the opening SS-31 response is stable.
If you do decide to try MOTS-c, begin with a low dose to see how well you tolerate it, and titrate slowly as well. And I have seen examples of folks when they go to start a 2nd cycle they have a very serious allergic reaction to the MOTS-c. So just use caution.
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